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One eyed Jack

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Is it really though, it's being pushed by activists who believe the only cure is drugs and surgery. This is an experiment I'm not sure level headed doctors should be involved in. There is no cure for being a man. It's not a state of mind nor is there any magic pill or surgery that makes a woman. It's a mental condition and should be treated as such. Somebody needs to say stop the bus and look at this whole thing critically.
Of all the people who need urgent help trans should be near the bottom of the list but when you've lobby groups with corporate sponsors shouting the loudest and a generation of politicans and medical professionals afraid to speak out and say stop this madness it's not going to happen.
There will be massive payouts in years to come from the HSE when the serious flaws in current treatments become apparent.
We're encouraging people to embrace their trans in school, that's the last thing we should be doing until every possible therapy is exhausted surgery or drugs should not be on the cards as an option ever.
Trans is a serious mental condition, well wanting to transition on the outside is, it doesn't do anything to cure the underlying problem only encourages it.

You’re not wrong dm, I’ve always said I detest the politics of transgenderism (I detest identity politics generally), but there are serious issues that need to be addressed for people who have as much right to adequate healthcare as anyone else in Irish society. Currently unfortunately that’s exactly what they’re getting - a substandard and inadequate standard of healthcare, the same as everyone else.

So I do understand why there are people who advocate for better healthcare for themselves, although I don’t agree with advocacy of the “informed consent” model of healthcare. That to my mind at least, and as was pointed out by Prof O’ Shea in the article, is frought with difficulty -


O’Shea does not support informed consent because of the amount of people who want to de-transition under the model elsewhere. “The informed consent model is leading to a surge in reversal surgeries… and when you’ve got a surge in presentation of any condition you’ve got to look at being even more careful.”


Transgenderism though isn’t the only area in medicine where the social model is gaining more and more traction in Western societies, it’s an issue in other areas of medicine too. That’s why those who argue from a scientific perspective aren’t going to make a whole pile of difference in addressing the multitude of issues with the politics of transgenderism, as opposed to those who argue from the perspective of the social impact of the policies and proposals being introduced. People are generally biased to want to do the right thing to alleviate a persons immediate suffering, and that’s why the social model will always be far more appealing to people than the medical model or scientific arguments.

It’s an incredibly complex issue for Irish society, and that’s the level we should be focusing on, I think anyway, discussing social policies as opposed to getting worked up about individuals who happen to court public attention for themselves every so often or paranoia about bathroom invasions and all the rest of what I at least consider to be trivial nonsense.

weldoninhio

Woodsie1 wrote: »

You re entitled to that view.
If this person does everything in their power to become who they think they are,then who are you to put them down for it.
Live and let live.
Until Yaniv comes along.

A question for you...please answer honestly!
Crude and brutal.
Blaire White?...Shes fit as **** no???
As a woman?
The lady dick is a problem for me but looking at her stream with Yaniv its obvious who is a woman and who is not!

Someones chromosomes are not "a view".

Glass fused light

Trans man video on vaginal atrophy from testosterone

Women get this after menopause

Some of his videos may have porn so prescreen for teens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhDnKSru6jE

take everything

Just reading that Journal article with Professor O' Shea.

He makes the point that 15 years ago the cases were cut and dried cases of transgender people.

Nowadays, he says it's non-binary this, gender-fluid that. Treatment or surgery is not always indicated.

And he's right.
Reading that article, it seems people who experience any sort of dysphoria are telling doctors how to do their job. That GP is worse for saying psychiatry shouldn't be involved.

"Lunatics running the asylum" was the overriding sentiment from that article.

drunkmonkey

Glass fused light wrote: »

Some of his videos may have porn so prescreen for teens

Transgender grandad gay porn. Prescreen for teens? I think a short synopsis would do the majority of us.

When he said healthy, transition and kids in the one sentence I called crazy and watched no more.

pinkyeye

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Yep.

I stand by my view that Blair White is a transphobe. LGBT people such as Milo Yiannopolousis, Paddy Manning, Keith Mills and Blair White who align themselves with far right anti lgbt movements are homophobic and transohobic and I have no problem saying that.

It's worth looking at some of the evidence of Blair Whitrs transphobia


She regularly bullies and harasses other trans people
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KvCXK_54-io
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GheTVkF2P30

She supports the view that being trans is really all just mental illness and can be cured
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wUOjuiAikrU

Honestly Joey, it just looks to be like she's calling out people for inappropriate behaviour which is fine.

splinter65

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Glass fused light

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Glass fused light wrote: »

Some of his videos may have porn so prescreen for teens

Transgender grandad gay porn. Prescreen for teens? I think a short synopsis would do the majority of us.

When he said healthy, transition and kids in the one sentence I called crazy and watched no more.

That video is fine its others that look risky and kids is referring to younger people the hip young things than know everything that available on the internet which a lot of this is not.

He is explaining the impact of male and female hormones on the female body its worth a watch as every woman has this as a perimenopause, and menopause risk

skybox2014

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Transgenderism though isn’t the only area in medicine where the social model is gaining more and more traction in Western societies, it’s an issue in other areas of medicine too. That’s why those who argue from a scientific perspective aren’t going to make a whole pile of difference in addressing the multitude of issues with the politics of transgenderism, as opposed to those who argue from the perspective of the social impact of the policies and proposals being introduced. People are generally biased to want to do the right thing to alleviate a persons immediate suffering, and that’s why the social model will always be far more appealing to people than the medical model or scientific arguments.

It’s an incredibly complex issue for Irish society, and that’s the level we should be focusing on, I think anyway, discussing social policies as opposed to getting worked up about individuals who happen to court public attention for themselves every so often or paranoia about bathroom invasions and all the rest of what I at least consider to be trivial nonsense.

But that is the nub of it, isn't it. We already have a social policy (gender self ID) that allows individuals like Yaniv (or any other male who identifies as a women) gain access legitimately to any services and spaces that previously were restricted to females only.
Yaniv is the obvious conclusion to the kinds of inclusive social policies that disregard biological sex in favour of self-identified gender. (We were assured this kind of thing would never happen of course.;))

These social polices are being applied throughout many western countries and in places that traditionally had female-only spaces: Girl Guides, women's prisons, hospital wards, women's sports. Youth Hostels in UK and Wales are applying self-ID to sleeping spaces for women! Who on earth would trust that now?

The result of these social policies is that women, as a sex class, no longer exist, and are no longer legally able to be free from males anywhere outside their own private residences.

I can't think of a circumstance where a woman would be legally entitled to privacy and a female-only space if a male who identifies as a woman (regardless of whether or not they are transgender) decides they want to go: A women's-only book club, therapy session, swimming club, support group, beauty salon, hospital ward, prison, women's professorships, whatever. All are accessible to males now. (Wait until some FF candidate discovers he only has to 'identify as a woman' to get his nomination in local or national elections!)

It is only a matter of time before we have an Irish Yaniv. If anyone has the balls to be so audacious.

Can anyone prove me wrong? I don't see any loopholes in the Irish legislation.

derfderf

The whole self ID thing reminds me of the gun control discussion in America. Should the laws be set with the majority, that will abide by the spirit of it, in mind, or with the small minority that abuse it.

derfderf

The whole self ID thing reminds me of the gun control discussion in America. Should the laws be set with the majority, that will abide by the spirit of it, in mind, or with the small minority that abuse it.

Glass fused light

One eyed Jack wrote: »

paranoia about bathroom invasions and all the rest of what I at least consider to be trivial nonsense.

Does your bathroom at home have a lockable door?

Do you use the lock?

If you do why do you use it?

Do you expect other people to use the lock?

If you do why do you expect that they use it?

How many homes have you visited that do not have a lockable door?

How many homes have you visited that only have a lockable door that an 'adult' can use ie a bolt at the very top of the door?
Would such a door make you think and age asses the height and age of any children in the house?

Patrick2010

Charlize Theron has been raising her boy as a girl since 3 years old.

"She had introduced her eldest child Jackson as a boy when she first adopted her brood and over the years, rumours circulated suggesting Charlize was raising Jackson as a girl.

Addressing the speculation in April, Charlize confirmed Jackson identifies as female to the US Daily Mail.

When asked about Jackson, she said: 'Yes, I thought she was a boy too. Until she looked at me when she was three-years-old and said, "I am not a boy!" "

I'm sure we all had peculiar notions as a 3 year old but got told to have sense.

Danzy

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Charlize Theron has been raising her boy as a girl since 3 years old.

"She had introduced her eldest child Jackson as a boy when she first adopted her brood and over the years, rumours circulated suggesting Charlize was raising Jackson as a girl.

Addressing the speculation in April, Charlize confirmed Jackson identifies as female to the US Daily Mail.

When asked about Jackson, she said: 'Yes, I thought she was a boy too. Until she looked at me when she was three-years-old and said, "I am not a boy!" "

I'm sure we all had peculiar notions as a 3 year old but got told to have sense.

Poor child is being used and suffering a severe form of mental abuse.

Wibbs

Danzy wrote: »

Poor child is being used and suffering a severe form of mental abuse.

Cos it's "hip" at the moment and anything in style will be sucked up like a hoover by many of your Hollywood types, well actors anyway. Maybe what makes them actors in the first place is this absorb all around you skill?

Mental illness/disorders seem to also play a part with mothers and boys who are transgender.

This pilot study compared mothers of boys with gender identity disorder (GID) with mothers of normal boys to determine whether differences in psychopathology and child-rearing attitudes and practices could be identified. Results of the Diagnostic Interview for Borderlines and the Beck Depression Inventory revealed that mothers of boys with GID had more symptoms of depression and more often met the criteria for Borderline Personality Disorder than the controls. Fifty-three percent of the mothers of boys with GID compared with only 6% of controls met the diagnosis for Borderline Personality Disorder on the Diagnostic Interview for Borderlines or had symptoms of depression on the Beck Depression Inventory.

Over half had Borderline Personality Disorder compared to the six percent of background. Dunno how this works out though. Is it that women with BPD are more likely to have some genetic component that is more likely to give rise to sons with gender identity disorder, or is their BPD creating a social environment for it? There are also higher levels of autism spectrum among trans individuals, though the last time I read the numbers it wasn't that high. Like under 10%. Sure higher than background, but not by much. PLus diagnosis bias could be at play too, IE someone presnting with gender identity disorder will be more likely in the system and checked for other conditions compared to the average.

drunkmonkey

The Land of Lincoln will require public schools to incorporate LGBTQ figures into history lessons.

Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker on Friday signed House Bill 246, which mandates the following: “In public schools only, the teaching of history shall include a study of the roles and contributions of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people in the history of this country and this State.”

https://m.washingtontimes.com

ohnonotgmail

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The Land of Lincoln will require public schools to incorporate LGBTQ figures into history lessons.

Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker on Friday signed House Bill 246, which mandates the following: “In public schools only, the teaching of history shall include a study of the roles and contributions of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people in the history of this country and this State.”

https://m.washingtontimes.com

about time.

drunkmonkey

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

about time.

What has who you sleep with got to do with kids history time.

I don't ever remember being told in History class about anyone's sexual preferences, it doesn't matter. Nothing to do with history.

ohnonotgmail

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What has who you sleep with got to do with kids history time.

I don't ever remember being told in History class about anyone's sexual preferences, it doesn't matter. Nothing to do with history.

I'm sure it doesn't matter to you. you would prefer it doesn't exist at all. but it does matter. Perhaps if kids were taught about the contribution of people who were LGBT less of them would grow up to be homophobic *****.

Penn

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What has who you sleep with got to do with kids history time.

I don't ever remember being told in History class about anyone's sexual preferences, it doesn't matter. Nothing to do with history.

And you turned out to be a paragon of tolerance...

drunkmonkey

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I'm sure it doesn't matter to you. you would prefer it doesn't exist at all. but it does matter. Perhaps if kids were taught about the contribution of people who were LGBT less of them would grow up to be homophobic *****.

It doesn't matter to anyone, who cares if the Red Barron was transgender. Is it to teach us how good trans people can be at flying?
What's the point in sexualizing everything for children. It makes no sense.

ohnonotgmail

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It doesn't matter to anyone, who cares if the Red Barron was transgender. Is it to teach us how good trans people can be at flying?
What's the point in sexualizing everything for children. It makes no sense.

Like i said less of them might grow up to be homophobic *****. For me that would be a good thing. for you it is clearly not.

drunkmonkey

Penn wrote: »

And you turned out to be a paragon of tolerance...

No tolernce for the alphabet gang screwing with kids heads and bodies or generally demeaning women at every chance.

We don't need to take everything back to who famous people in history slept with to teach history. It's completely irrelevant.

drunkmonkey

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Like i said less of them might grow up to be homophobic *****. For me that would be a good thing. for you it is clearly not.

I don't get your logic, famous people in history were LGBTQ so naturally the more we put in the history books the more people will like LGBTQ people.
I don't think that's how things work. If you want to take Lenoardo as one of your own you can't forget about Adolf.

One eyed Jack

skybox2014 wrote: »

But that is the nub of it, isn't it. We already have a social policy (gender self ID) that allows individuals like Yaniv (or any other male who identifies as a women) gain access legitimately to any services and spaces that previously were restricted to females only.
Yaniv is the obvious conclusion to the kinds of inclusive social policies that disregard biological sex in favour of self-identified gender. (We were assured this kind of thing would never happen of course.;))

There were never any such assurances given in law that this wouldn’t happen. It was always a potential consequence of what could happen, from the moment Lydia Foy took her legal case against the State for the right to legal recognition of her preferred gender. Yanniv’s attitude is but one of the obvious conclusions as to how the introduction of the gender recognition act would affect Irish society. A handful of bad actors doesn’t mean that the legislation should be entirely scrapped. These kinds of circumstances are dealt with in the Courts, where reason is the standard which prevails over paranoia and condemning innocent people.

skybox2014 wrote: »

These social polices are being applied throughout many western countries and in places that traditionally had female-only spaces: Girl Guides, women's prisons, hospital wards, women's sports. Youth Hostels in UK and Wales are applying self-ID to sleeping spaces for women! Who on earth would trust that now?

Likely the same people who trusted them before when stories and allegations of abuse emerged from these same places? Maybe you’re ignoring the fact that there is no correlation between a person being transgender and their likelihood of committing abhorrent acts against another person? I may as well lock myself away indoors now to prevent people who are paranoid from feeling unsafe. Because that’s the logical conclusion of any argument predicated upon what a whole group in society might do, and on that basis society can’t trust them. When you apply that reasoning to yourself, that your participation in society should be restricted because of other people’s ignorance and fear, you’ll pretty soon see what’s so fundamentally flawed about those kinds of arguments.

skybox2014 wrote: »

The result of these social policies is that women, as a sex class, no longer exist, and are no longer legally able to be free from males anywhere outside their own private residences.

Bollocks, frankly. Not meaning to be rude but no matter how many social policies or whatever the content of those social policies, they simply cannot “erase” women as a sex class, nor make the idea of women extinct (and thank fcuk for that :pac:), but seriously, the picture you paint is this sort of thing -





I don’t know are you familiar with where that’s from, but it was taken in London at a party last year some time I think. It’s just the visuals of it - separating men and women from each other with a giant veil Mate of mine works in a hospital in Saudi and the stories she tells me are a weird mix of both bizarre and hilarious like how she eats her lunch in the hospital and there’s a veil in front of her that cuts her off from anyone seeing her - she can’t see out, they can’t see in. I know that’s not the sort of a society you would wish for here, as it sounds completely unreasonable here, but over there it’s par for the course apparently (unless it’s an Irish bar, then all bets are off ). But you get the idea.

skybox2014 wrote: »

I can't think of a circumstance where a woman would be legally entitled to privacy and a female-only space if a male who identifies as a woman (regardless of whether or not they are transgender) decides they want to go: A women's-only book club, therapy session, swimming club, support group, beauty salon, hospital ward, prison, women's professorships, whatever. All are accessible to males now. (Wait until some FF candidate discovers he only has to 'identify as a woman' to get his nomination in local or national elections!)

It is only a matter of time before we have an Irish Yaniv. If anyone has the balls to be so audacious.

Can anyone prove me wrong? I don't see any loopholes in the Irish legislation.

Sure we already have that, and it took it’s time for the GRA to be enacted since Lydia Foy began legal proceedings in 1997. The difference between them of course is that Foy isn’t a fcuknugget like this JY character.

ohnonotgmail

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I don't get your logic, famous people in history were LGBTQ so naturally the more we put in the history books the more people will like LGBTQ people.
I don't think that's how things work. If you want to take Lenoardo as one of your own you can't forget about Adolf.

i dont think anybody is expecting kids to like lgbt people but perhaps they wont see them as any different to themselves.

drunkmonkey

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i dont think anybody is expecting kids to like lgbt people but perhaps they wont see them as any different to themselves.

Why does it need to come into History lessons. Where are any children thought about sexual preferences of famous people in history. 1 in 7 people can trace roots to Genghis Khan, he's love of women was never mentioned in History class. Maybe in some college course but bringing LGBTQ into history class for kids is nothing more than alphabet gang propaganda.

gmisk

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No tolernce for the alphabet gang screwing with kids heads and bodies or generally demeaning women at every chance.

We don't need to take everything back to who famous people in history slept with to teach history. It's completely irrelevant.

The alphabet gang....seriously...grow up.


I think for some historical figures it is intrinsically important to know they were LGBT to get some context to show how badly they were treated at the time (e.g. Alan Turing).

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Why does it need to come into History lessons. Where are any children thought about sexual preferences of famous people in history. 1 in 7 people can trace roots to Genghis Khan, he's love of women was never mentioned in History class. Maybe in some college course but bringing LGBTQ into history class for kids is nothing more than alphabet gang propaganda.

You don't think the likes of the Stonewall riots are worthy of learning about?

Its right up there with suffrage and the civil rights movement imo, both of which I learnt about in school

drunkmonkey

gmisk wrote: »

I think for some historical figures it is intrinsically important to know they were LGBT to get some context to show how badly they were treated at the time (e.g. Alan Turing).

Besides Alan Turing?, again you can't cherry pick good ones and the leave the evil ones behind.

Hitler was gay and you want to start calling that out to kids so they'll like gay people. Seriously?