Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2019/2020

nullzero

J. Marston wrote: »

I keep thinking I can't see worse United teams over the last few years but they keep breaking through the bottom of another barrel.

Shattering expectations.

Strumms

The old saying “set low expectations and fail to meet them”

Headshot

davehey79 wrote: »

He said it alright !!

https://www.manutd.com/en/videos/detail/video-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-post-match-interview-az-alkmaar-away

This is like Moyes all over again

kerplun k

20 Times 20 Times wrote: »

Said it so many times ! Jose should never of been sacked !

Jose done what Jose always does. Brings players in that will help the club short term but are problematic long term. Lukaku, Sanchez, Pogba, Fred, Ibra, Matic. None of these players will or will-ever will help us long term. We were so toxic last season as a direct result of some of these players. Signing Jose up in the first place was a massive mistake.

Lord TSC

kerplun k wrote: »

Jose done what Jose always does. Brings players in that will help the club short term but are problematic long term. Lukaku, Sanchez, Pogba, Fred, Ibra, Matic. None of these players will or will-ever will help us long term. We were so toxic last season as a direct result of some of these players. Signing Jose up in the first place was a massive mistake.

Lukaku, Pogba and Fred were hardly "short term" signings though. All were under 25 when signed.....

malinheader

Jamemid wrote: »

Be a miracle to finish top 6 with ole in charge

Seriously. If there is not big changes before the end of the season we could be fighting relegation. Teams are not scared about playing us now even at ot. Every team we face now in the premiership will see us as for the taking.

Drumpot

kerplun k wrote: »

Jose done what Jose always does. Brings players in that will help the club short term but are problematic long term. Lukaku, Sanchez, Pogba, Fred, Ibra, Matic. None of these players will or will-ever will help us long term. We were so toxic last season as a direct result of some of these players. Signing Jose up in the first place was a massive mistake.

Yes Jose does what Jose does. Got us into champions league football twice in a row for first then since SAF retired. Got us to our highest league position since SAF retired. Won a league cup and our first every Europa league cup in his first season which was probably our best season on paper since SAF retired. His first two seasons, when backed in the transfer market, there were improvements we could tangibly point at.....

We were toxic last season because the board lacked the conviction to help Jose continue our resurgence and the mangager and ambitious players at the club responded to that statement. Just like some of our most senior players are responding to Ole, including Pogba who knows where this club is heading. The toxicity has been around since SAF retried, Jose was just another target for some fans to refuse to see the bigger issues facing the club.

kerplun k

Lord TSC wrote: »

Lukaku, Pogba and Fred were hardly "short term" signings though. All were under 25 when signed.....

Not one has been good for the club. Maybe Ole is not the man for the job, but neither was Jose.

ozzy jr

Strumms wrote: »

Ok, Ole is just a patsy. I’ve lost 100% of the respect I had for the guy... “very happy with the boys, we come away with a good performance”. You dumb groveling shît you managed a Manchester United team who managed not to get one shot on target against a team of Dutch mid tablers. He’s a sham, sorry to say it but no getting away from it. It’s going to get worse before better too.

Show some respect for a club legend.

Save your outrage for the real problems at the club, the owners.

ankles

I'm not saying it's going badly, but Bury have won away from home more recently than Manchester United and they aren't a club anymore.

54and56

tastyt wrote: »

I think ye will break a block than includes Paul dummett and Emile krafth though.

On a more serious note though Sunday will show part of the problem, both clubs fans are almost too loyal.

There will be 50k plus in the stadium plus the usual great away united support. Both owners take that for granted and don't give a toss.

The fat **** Ashley doesnt even try to hide it, its a money making effort. Sack Rafa and pay Sheffield wednesday to get Bruce, you couldn't make it up.

I think the glazers are the same. They treat united as some sort of entertainment company, has woodward there to guide the ship to huge profit and they don't give a **** about uniteds history or whats going on on the pitch.

The only way they will ever care is if people stop paying to come to watch and buying the merchandise. Its sad

This is a topic I'm absolutely passionate about since Hicks & Gillette almost ran my club into liquidation.

What you have summarised is a cancer within sport.

Instead of clubs being owned by the fan-base they are increasingly owned by "financial" owners who at one end of the spectrum align their business model with an ambition to achieve high sporting success and at the other end you have owners like Ashley and the Glazers who see fans loyalty as an opportunity to do the absolute minimum necessary to keep revenues and profits rolling in.

If XXX football club were literally any other business the ownership of which treated their customers so poorly those customers would simply take their cash down the road to a competitor where their custom would be valued.

Replace "customer" and "business" with "fan" and "football club" and owners can do whatever the fcuk they like as they know (or at least believe very strongly) that the fans won't walk away permanently or even long enough to hurt them financially.

Its a massive massive weakness and won't change until one of these owners are forced out because fans starve them of the eyeballs and bums on seats they need to keep the cash rolling in.

Rant/

Drumpot

kerplun k wrote: »

Not one has been good for the club. Maybe Ole is not the man for the job, but neither was Jose.

What player since SAF retired had been good enough for the club? Ironic that you mentioned Zlatan as he’s probably the only player who has joined us in this time and left with his reputation in tact or enhanced.

Jose also didn’t mind challanging Woodward publicly which was exactly the kind of manager we needed. They couldn’t control him and it meant that fans were hearing the honest truth from our manager about our boards ambitions. Some wanted him gone so chose to see him as a trouble maker, he was doing us all a favour.

You can go back to when Jose was signed and find posts from me questioning his appointment. They are on this forum. So you can’t accuse me of being a big Jose fanboy or any of that childish crap. But once he was made manager it made no sense when people where whining about us not playing entertaining football. As his teams get stronger they don’t necessarily get more entertaining they get more effective. Last summer Woodward and the owners let every fan down badly and set us back into this new rebuild bullsh*t cause they lacked the will to help the team push on.

I really think many fans who blame Jose for last season don’t see the bigger picture.

GiftofGab

ankles wrote: »

I'm not saying it's going badly, but Bury have won away from home more recently than Manchester United and they aren't a club anymore.

In future can you put in the source of your comment please.

https://mobile.twitter.com/danielstorey85/status/1179834816906309632?s=09

kerplun k

Drumpot wrote: »

Yes Jose does what Jose does. Got us into champions league football twice in a row for first then since SAF retired. Got us to our highest league position since SAF retired. Won a league cup and our first every Europa league cup in his first season which was probably our best season on paper since SAF retired. His first two seasons, when backed in the transfer market, there were improvements we could tangibly point at.....

We were toxic last season because the board lacked the conviction to help Jose continue our resurgence and the mangager and ambitious players at the club responded to that statement. Just like some of our most senior players are responding to Ole, including Pogba who knows where this club is heading. The toxicity has been around since SAF retried, Jose was just another target for some fans to refuse to see the bigger issues facing the club.

He still had the same players that finished 2nd and q/f’d for the champions league when he got sacked. These were the players that stopped playing for him. Things are bad right now, but please don’t go all nostalgic about Jose. He’s a short sighted, toxic manager who done more harm than good for this club. His tactics were outdated, his man management style was counterproductive. He never committed to club, staying in that bloody hotel room all the time. It was a joke. He never looked happy and the one period we did look okay he was sniffing around PSG for a better offer. Look forward, but don’t look back at Jose as some sort of savior.

Ninthlife

ozzy jr wrote: »

Show some respect for a club legend.

Save your outrage for the real problems at the club, the owners.

Ah come on.. Ole as a player was good and a great servant to the club everyone would agree

But Ole as manager has not and his status as a former player shouldnt shield him from criticism in his current role.

I feel this is one of many problems at United, too busy living in the past, everything is about having former players involved in all aspects of the club e.g. Ole, Carrick the DoF that was touted. The club has gone stale its stagnant.

Yes the owners share some blame but they arent running training or making tactical decisions. The performances are on the players and theyre coached by Ole.

The club needs a breath of new life and a fresh injection of ideas. Too much looking back and what we did instead of looking forward to what can be done

Father Hernandez

https://twitter.com/themanutdway/status/1179861921572556837?s=21

In scintillating form once again this season.

kerplun k

They share more than some. They are the one common denominator that keeps popping up when you analyze our problems. In fact I’d say they are 100% of the problem.

On the Sanchez deal alone, Woodward should have been sent packing. It will probably go down as one of the worst pieces of business in football history. But as long as he’s keeping everything sweet for the Glazers they won’t care what happens. We’re in book balancing mode right now. That’s exactly what this season is.

Ninthlife

Father Hernandez wrote: »

https://twitter.com/themanutdway/status/1179861921572556837?s=21

In scintillating form once again this season.

United would break him

kerplun k

If we signed BF, he’d be papering over the cracks right now. At least our real problems are being exposed. From top to bottom the club is being run by inept individuals who use us as a cash cow.

ozzy jr

Ninthlife wrote: »

But Ole as manager has not and his status as a former player shouldnt shield him from criticism in his current role.

I’ve no problem with criticism for the manager, calling him a dumb groveling **** is uncalled for though.

Rayne Wooney

Wolves scored in the 93rd minute

We were kicking the ball out of play and wasting time from the 80th minute onwards

This club is surely dead

It’s unfortunate that the knives are only starting to come out when the damage has been done

Drumpot

kerplun k wrote: »

He still had the same players that finished 2nd and q/f’d for the champions league when he got sacked. These were the players that stopped playing for him. Things are bad right now, but please don’t go all nostalgic about Jose. He’s a short sighted, toxic manager who done more harm than good for this club. His tactics were outdated, his man management style was counterproductive. He never committed to club, staying in that bloody hotel room all the time. It was a joke. He never looked happy and the one period we did look okay he was sniffing around PSG for a better offer. Look forward, but don’t look back at Jose as some sort of savior.

It’s not being nostalgic, it’s acknowledging another example of why the club is where its at. Why have chelsea and Madrid been able to thrive with Squads built while Jose was manager if he is such a short term coach ? It’s like some of you can’t see the how Jose ultimately ended up gone and keep double downing on him being the problem.

What has Jose living in a hotel got to do with anything?

kerplun k

Drumpot wrote: »

It’s not being nostalgic, it’s acknowledging another example of why the club is where its at. Why have chelsea and Madrid been able to thrive with Squads built while Jose was manager if he is such a short term coach ? It’s like some of you can’t see the how Jose ultimately ended up gone and keep double downing on him being the problem.

What has Jose living in a hotel got to do with anything?

Madrid had Ronaldo in his prime, who threatened to leave if Jose wasn’t sacked
Chelsea had to rebuild after he left. Look at there squad when last managed them compared to now.

Living out of the hotel made us look even more ridicules. he was like a carton character coming out of the hotel every weekend. He’s a parody.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

So how excellent were we tonight? Unlucky?

This is it

I wonder how likely it is that Ole will realise the mess he's in, the club is in, and step aside, for the fans and the club?

Drumpot

kerplun k wrote: »

Madrid had Ronaldo in his prime, who threatened to leave if Jose wasn’t sacked
Chelsea had to rebuild after he left. Look at there squad when last managed them compared to now.

Living out of the hotel made us look even more ridicules. he was like a carton character coming out of the hotel every weekend. He’s a parody.

Are you for real? Madrid have only won 2 league titles in 11 years and one of them was under Jose against arguably the greatest club side of all time (the Barca team of early 10s under Pep).

Avram grant nearly won the league and European cup double less then 12 months after Jose left.

Conte won the league in his first season less then 18 months after Jose left.

I really think many fans let their hate of Jose ignore his remarkable achievements. Including being the best coach we have had since SAF retired.

ricero

It's neglect at this stage to have such an inexperianced manager like Ole in charge of a massive club like Manchester United.

Eddie Howe should be approached after the Newcastle game.

clubberlang12

The "Blame Jose" excuse is really getting a bit defunct now.

This talk of what him setting the club back years is ridiculous. What has set the club back years is Ed and the Board going at odds with Mourinho last summer and then promoting Ole full time. The main character issue at the club seemed to be Pogba, who the club then backed over the manager. After the honey moon period, the players form and mannerisms returned and he stated he wanted to leave for a new challenge. Jose wanted a centre back(many believing that was Maguire). The board refused. We sign said player 12 months later for much more.

If we are going to talk about setting the club back lets look at player form. Who has improved under Ole. Rashford is now shell of a player, devoid of confidence under Ole, who mistakenly propelled him into the spotlight saying he would be the new club striker and that he could teach him to be that clinical striker. Rashfords goal form is now a serious issue and Ole seems to prefer Martial through the middle heaping more criticism on Rashford by way of acknowledging his mistake. Ironically Rashford's best form was under Mourinho's guidance. Lingards form has dropped off a cliff. Martial also looks lost during games now, even though he has bagged a couple. DE Gea's form continued to be poor into this season. I don't think it's a far cry to say that Ole hasn't improved any player that was there previous to his appointment.

Now lets talk about setting the club back years by offering huge, undeserving contracts to Rashford, Martial and co. Will we be stuck with bench warmers on £250k a week if their dipping form continues? Who will pay them those wages? Pogba now apparently looking for £600k. He knows is stock is high at the club after they backed him against Jose and Ole being fine with him expressing his desire to leave, despite saying that only players who want to be at the club will be here.

Jose may be about short term, instant results.......but I would guarantee that if he had been back last summer, in the market and in the dressing room factions, we would have seen the club much healthier and competing. He may have only stayed another couple of years but our standing in the game would be improved.
Under Ole, our standing is very much decreasing. Another year of struggle and no CL will see us find it hard to attract top players needed to compete(anyone who wants to get all romantic about building a future of committed players should ask Pep would that have worked for him). There is no major club that rebuilds like that and hopes to remain challenging. You buy quality and then add youth in gradually beside the experienced heads. At the minute....we are much closer to a Leeds United,than a Man City than many Ole apologists would like to believe.

discobeaker

clubberlang12 wrote: »

One a side note...........just watching Martinelli for Arsenal. His movement and strikers instinct around the box is a world apart from Rashford. And he's only 18!!

And we turned him down he looks a talent

Strumms

ozzy jr wrote: »

Show some respect for a club legend.

Save your outrage for the real problems at the club, the owners.

I’ve got respect for Ole, but respect doesn’t translate into absolving him when it comes to some of the guff we’ve being accustomed to hearing him come out with in the media. My concern is that he is beginning to epitomize a yes man. That’s not good.

I’ve also on here been totally critical of the owners.

If I’m in charge of that team and I’m asked about the situation I’m saying something like...

“ I’m happy with certain aspects of our transfer business, in general, we have brought in players and immediately we are seeing the benefit of their additions to the squad. However I have notified the board that more additions will be necessary over the next couple of transfer windows to bring our talent pool up to the desired depth and standard where we are actively competitive on all trophy fronts. It’s a team effort, I the players, coaching and scouting staff are working on all fronts to enable EVERY success and with the backing of the board hopefully we can continue to see backing to avail of opportunities to continue to strengthen areas such as our forward line where players come in, augment our talented yet inexperienced up and coming stars of the future with a priority to add a more cutting edge to our attack in the immediate term”.

bmcc10

ricero wrote: »

It's neglect at this stage to have such an inexperianced manager like Ole in charge of a massive club like Manchester United.

Eddie Howe should be approached after the Newcastle game.

It's baffling the more you think of it probably the biggest rebuild in modern football history and its a relegated Cardiff and mid table Swedish manager who has been giving the responsibility of overseeing it.

Ole has been well and truly thrown to the wolves here.

Peatys

Who's available to take over at utd? Allegri or Pouch strong favs? Allegri was in the stands for Spurs v Byern..

Was there any movement on the DoF side of things?

LiamoSail

Peatys wrote: »

Who's available to take over at utd? Allegri or Pouch strong favs? Allegri was in the stands for Spurs v Byern..

Was there any movement on the DoF side of things?

Anyone intelligent enough to make a success of the role would probably be intelligent enough too to see that it’s a poison chalice.

LVG and Mourinho have been successful everywhere, yet both ultimately failed at United. The implications of that won’t be lost on the likes of Allegri or Poch, who presumably will have other attractive offers.

kerplun k

Drumpot wrote: »

Are you for real? Madrid have only won 2 league titles in 11 years and one of them was under Jose against arguably the greatest club side of all time (the Barca team of early 10s under Pep).

Avram grant nearly won the league and European cup double less then 12 months after Jose left.

Conte won the league in his first season less then 18 months after Jose left.

I really think many fans let their hate of Jose ignore his remarkable achievements. Including being the best coach we have had since SAF retired.

He’s a man-child. His behavior at Madrid was disgraceful. Yes, I agree, some of his achievements have been great, but there’s no argument that he left his last 3 clubs on rotten terms. He’s a dinosaur. Listen, I’m willing to go along with the narrative that the club is badly run, but sacking Jose was one decision we got right.

pjohnson

kerplun k wrote: »

He’s a man-child. His behavior at Madrid was disgraceful. Yes, I agree, some of his achievements have been great, but there’s no argument that he left his last 3 clubs on rotten terms. He’s a dinosaur. Listen, I’m willing to go along with the narrative that the club is badly run, but sacking Jose was one decision we got right.

And whats Ole then?

Give me Jose and his "dinosaur anti football" over Ole's "new attacking football" any day.

malinheader

Peatys wrote: »

Who's available to take over at utd? Allegri or Pouch strong favs? Allegri was in the stands for Spurs v Byern..

Was there any movement on the DoF side of things?

Its not who's available it's more like who would want to enter into this s-it storm. It's going to be and getting harder after every performance to attract a manager of pedigree for utd.I think there will have to be changes upstairs before any manager will make a difference.

kerplun k

pjohnson wrote: »

And whats Ole then?

Give me Jose and his "dinosaur anti football" over Ole's "new attacking football" any day.

Well, Jose has never completed four consecutive seasons in charge of one club, so there was never a chance he was here long term. BTW, I’m in agreement with you on Ole. He could be a good DoF, but it’s looking less likely that he’s the man for the job. But even before we get the right manger, we need the right Board of directors.

Backstreet Moyes

You would miss all the lads screaming abuse minutely when Mourinho was in charge

You would wonder where they are these days

Has Mourinhos stock been higher what a job he done at this club

clubberlang12

clubberlang12 wrote: »

At the minute....we are much closer to a Leeds United,than a Man City than many Ole apologists would like to believe.

As in playing great football with a manager many fans say is the best since the early 70s, who is rebuilding the club and raising standards from cleaning staff to club captain?

You may be in a higher division with a huge bank balance, Leeds have been through the wringer, but no Leeds fan would swap managers and most Leeds fans seem happy with the sensible way the club is run.

votecounts

Can we all agree that the question is when will ole be sacked rather than if. He should resign out of respect for the club, it was too big for him, The club should think long and hard about their next manager as the clubs managerial policy is beyond a joke at this stage. We're getting more like liverpool in the 1990s and I do not want to wait 30 years for another title:(

votecounts

votecounts wrote: »

Can we all agree that the question is when will ole be sacked rather than if. He should resign out of respect for the club, it was too big for him, The club should think long and hard about their next manager as the clubs managerial policy is beyond a joke at this stage. We're getting more like liverpool in the 1990s and I do not want to wait 30 years for another title:(

Ya its when not if for me, but i dont think he should resign unless he gets his money from the club, its not his fault the club was incompetent enough to hire him, so he should take what he is owed he isnt getting another big job anytime soon after this

billyhead

The players have all the power. They dropped tools when Mourinho was in charge and now some are doing the same with Ole although he is out of his depth. Pogba should have been sold when he was in charge and Mourinho kept I'm situ. Should still be sold.

clubberlang12

Deleted User wrote: »

As in playing great football with a manager many fans say is the best since the early 70s, who is rebuilding the club and raising standards from cleaning staff to club captain?

You may be in a higher division with a huge bank balance, Leeds have been through the wringer, but no Leeds fan would swap managers and most Leeds fans seem happy with the sensible way the club is run.

The point seems to have been lost on you.

It was a comparison to how quickly Leeds diminished from being contenders and successful in European campaigns to being relegated...... than to capitalising on their recent success like City and to continue progressing on an upward trajectory.

malinheader

Ole is a utd legend and would never do anything to harm his club. I agree he is out of his depth as were other very successful managers who came to the club recently, and if truth to be known is probably hoping he is sacked instead of having to walk away. Does anyone really think a change of manager will sort this mess out. Serious clear out needed both owners and players before there's a chance of a change.

Backstreet Moyes

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As in playing great football with a manager many fans say is the best since the early 70s, who is rebuilding the club and raising standards from cleaning staff to club captain?

You may be in a higher division with a huge bank balance, Leeds have been through the wringer, but no Leeds fan would swap managers and most Leeds fans seem happy with the sensible way the club is run.

What relevance is that to what he said?

Nuts102

Nuts102 wrote: »

What relevance is that to what he said?

The general issue is Ole. There is no comparison with Bielsa.

And if one narrows it to the way the club is run, again there is no comparison. Leeds did not dwindle because of bad managers, Leeds went of a cliff because of finances. As a business it was a calamity, whereas obviously Ole is backed by one of the best run businesses in the sport.

malinheader

Deleted User wrote: »

The general issue is Ole. There is no comparison with Bielsa.

And if one narrows it to the way the club is run, again there is no comparison. Leeds did not dwindle because of bad managers, Leeds went of a cliff because of finances. As a business it was a calamity, whereas obviously Ole is backed by one of the best run businesses in the sport.

Oles not the issue, he's only an excuse for a bigger problem.

20 Times 20 Times

Ole needs to go for his comments on last nights press conference alone !

Ok we ain’t getting Jose back 😂😂

I would like to see this so call rebuild happen with Eddie Howe

Drumpot

I see United had looked hard at Martinelli. Also read stories of how many scout reports are not read or considered, don’t have a link but it’s hard not to believe anything that paints united like Fawlty towers at this stage.

clubberlang12

Deleted User wrote: »

The general issue is Ole. There is no comparison with Bielsa.

And if one narrows it to the way the club is run, again there is no comparison. Leeds did not dwindle because of bad managers, Leeds went of a cliff because of finances. As a business it was a calamity, whereas obviously Ole is backed by one of the best run businesses in the sport.

Again, you are going off an a separate tangent. It's not a dig at Leeds United.......it's saying how quickly a clubs stature can fall.

Leeds United 00/01 - CL Semi finalists, regular top 4/5 team
Leeds United end of 03/04 - Relegated.

How Leeds ended up spiraling into Championship football is irrelevant, it's that it is possible for it to happen very quickly despite being a big club.

Compare this to how City and invested in players, staff, club philosophy in the last 5/6 years and now they are reaping the benefits of unprecedented back to back league campaigns.