Car drives through crowd in Dundalk Graveyard

Mr E

Mod: Just warning now - I know it's an emotive topic, but calling them pikeys, knackers etc. will not be tolerated. Neither will advocating violence against those involved.

washman3

washman3 wrote: »

And adjoining graves for their horses....:rolleyes:

And houses nearby for their childer.

eagle eye

They'll go to court, plead guilty at the earliest opportunity, get sentencing put back for a probation report, then the shower on the other side will most likely have some charges for something and they'll do the same. When the probation report is ready they'll have started doing mediation with the other side and their defence will ask for them to be left out to complete the mediation suggesting that the feud might be at an end. Forward on two years and none of them will have come to the attention of the Gardai since the mediation started and they'll get suspended sentences.

banie01

banie01 wrote: »

I don't know if you are being deliberately obtuse?
Or just have a bee in your about anyone impugning the ethnic status and additional latitude afforded Travellers?

But it seems that you quite deliberately miss the points raised.

If as on your words

Surely you'd have no objection to deletion of the Travellers status from the relevant acts? And relying on the other 8 grounds to ensure protection of people's status and rights?
As according to your logic it's pointless anyway?
So in that case why do you think Pavee Point and their apologists lobbied so hard to have it included?

I have no idea why they lobbied
But it makes no difference to travellers that they now have ethnic status, it was already illegal to discriminate against them. There is no need to delete them from that law.
What exactly do you see as the difference now that they have ethnic status?

banie01

bubblypop wrote: »

I have no idea why they lobbied
But it makes no difference to travellers that they now have ethnic status, it was already illegal to discriminate against them. There is no need to delete them from that law.
What exactly do you see as the difference now that they have ethnic status?

I've laid out over the course of multiple post and replies to you the issues I have with specific ethnic protection for travellers.
You have replied consistently with waffle and deflected from questions.

From them not needing the law, you are now saying there is no point in deleting the ethnicity clause.
Which is it?

Tell you what how about rather than waffle on between ourselves.
You outline what your own stance is?

banie01

banie01 wrote: »

I've laid out over the course of multiple post and replies to you the issues I have with specific ethnic protection for travellers.
You have replied consistently with waffle and deflected from questions.

From them not needing the law, you are now saying there is no point in deleting the ethnicity clause.
Which is it?

Tell you what how about rather than waffle on between ourselves.
You outline what your own stance is?

My stance is that they are citizens of this country, the laws of the land apply to them the same as everyone else.
You are not allowed to discriminate against them, for many years, well before they had ethnic status.
So, yea, same as the rest obviously.

Sweetemotion

bubblypop wrote: »

What exactly do you see as the difference now that they have ethnic status?

This.

Sweetemotion

Sweetemotion wrote: »

This.

And does this actually make any difference whatsoever??

Sweetemotion

bubblypop wrote: »

And does this actually make any difference whatsoever??

It makes all the difference.

banie01

Sweetemotion wrote: »

It makes all the difference.

You're wasting your time replying to a poster who justs seems to be deliberately contrarian without offering any support for their stance other than "because".

I'm off to watch some football and hopefully someone else can show them why being granted an extra layer of cultural identity and protection denied all other Irish citizens may present an issue with particular regard to the rising tendency to identity politics and Traveller tribalism.

rafatoni

runningbuddy wrote: »

Wonder if John .connors has tweeted

that fat numpty would only be shaking his head, nope, no, wasnt travellers, nothing to see here. Out and out utter wanker.

sabat

banie01 wrote: »

That Pavee Point and co managed to have that status enshrined in law, has cost many a business a significant sum and all too easily affords an easy veneer of immediate recourse to racism when any traveller is challenged on their behaviours.

"And Co" is understating it a bit-there are about 100 separate state-funded traveller organisations here with a huge cross-pollination between them and the rest of the "voluntary sector", media, quangos, unions, 2nd-rate academia etc. Together they act like a giant sphere of control to prevent the optimum outcome for travellers-to no longer live the way they do currently and become part of society-because that is directly contradictory to their (those institutions) very existence. The asylum seeker/refugee issue is very similar (and has a large crossover in the people involved) because they also require the raw material of oppressed human beings to fuel their industry.

ChikiChiki

I ****ing h8 pikeys...

One of the best movie lines at all time.

Kivaro

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I ****ing h8 pikeys...

One of the best movie lines at all time.

Yeah, but it's not all of them. That's why you got carded.
My face and my fists are full of scars from fighting with Travelllers. I would never back down from the fluckers, which is why is I'm tattooed with natural scars. Never started anything myself, but the ****eheads were the usual ****eheads, and I responded appropriately.

But the reality is, not all of them are like that.
And I know it's a cliche, but that's the truth. They are not all like that. A hughe percentage is, but not all.

banie01

banie01 wrote: »

You're wasting your time replying to a poster who justs seems to be deliberately contrarian without offering any support for their stance other than "because".

I'm off to watch some football and hopefully someone else can show them why being granted an extra layer of cultural identity and protection denied all other Irish citizens may present an issue with particular regard to the rising tendency to identity politics and Traveller tribalism.

And yet, this poster seems to think that being given ethnic status somehow is a get out of jail free card!
It isn't. It has always been against the law to discriminate against travellers & them now having 'ethnic status ' has not changed anything.
& in this particular case, I believe there is someone in custody.

blinding

Are they going to end up like ISIS . They are beginning to Use ISIS Tactics .

Boggles

blinding wrote: »

Are they going to end up like ISIS . They are beginning to Use ISIS Tactics .

Da Fuq?

DARK-KNIGHT

Boggles wrote: »

blinding wrote: »

Are they going to end up like ISIS . They are beginning to Use ISIS Tactics .

Da Fuq?

Think it's a reference to Isis mowing people down in a vehicle

Think it was London

Tony Tucker

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Think it's a reference to Isis mowing people down in a vehicle

Think it was London

London, Stockholm, Berlin, Barcelona & Nice.

Boggles

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Think it's a reference to Isis mowing people down in a vehicle

Think it was London

I know what the reference was.

Doesn't make the question any less bizarre.

blinding

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Think it's a reference to Isis mowing people down in a vehicle

Think it was London

Tony Tucker wrote: »

London, Stockholm, Berlin, Barcelona & Nice.

Boggles wrote: »

I know what the reference was.

Doesn't make the question any less bizarre.

They are starting to Use ISIS Tactics . So , If You Use ISIS Tactics ? Are you like ISIS ?

Boggles

blinding wrote: »

They are starting to Use ISIS Tactics . So , If You Use ISIS Tactics ? Are you like ISIS ?

Was the man knocked down because he was an infidel?

Also ISIS did not invent using a vehicle as a "weapon", I don't think they have trade marked it since.

But to answer your question, no the Travelling community are not going to turn out like ISIS.

That is a mental thing to suggest.

blinding

Boggles wrote: »

Was the man knocked down because he was an infidel?

Also ISIS did not invent using a vehicle as a "weapon", I don't think they have trade marked it since.

But to answer your question, no the Travelling community are not going to turn out like ISIS.

That is a mental thing to suggest.

Its a well known ISIS Tactic and they are now using this well known ISIS Tactic .

Yer Da sells Avon

blinding wrote: »

They are starting to Use ISIS Tactics . So , If You Use ISIS Tactics ? Are you like ISIS ?

They?

How many people were driving that car?


It's great that all the racism has been diverted away from After Hours, but it's a pity that the mods/admins have made no effort whatsoever to prevent Current Affairs from becoming a bigots' playground.

banie01

blinding wrote: »

Its a well known ISIS Tactic and they are now using this well known ISIS Tactic .

Its a well known tactic of scum too.
To drive a vehicle at speed at those they wish to harm.
Applying a sectarian slant to scumbag behaviour, does not make it a sectarian attack.
Its not an attack on christians, its scumbags doing scummy things.

Boggles

blinding wrote: »

Its a well known ISIS Tactic and they are now using this well known ISIS Tactic .

Non Traveler Criminals have been using the same tactic, are they ISIS?

blinding

Boggles wrote: »

Non Traveler Criminals have been using the same tactic, are they ISIS?

It is an ISIS Tactic . Worrying that they are beginning to use ISIS Tactics .

Many ISIS members have been former criminals .

Boggles

blinding wrote: »

It is an ISIS Tactic . Worrying that they are beginning to use ISIS Tactics .

Many ISIS members have been former criminals .

Okay, you really need to just stop comparing everything to ISIS.

It's beyond weird.

3DataModem

I am surprised the daily mail didn't add the headline "dead bodies everywhere!"

Hedgelayer

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

They?

How many people were driving that car?


It's great that all the racism has been diverted away from After Hours, but it's a pity that the mods/admins have made no effort whatsoever to prevent Current Affairs from becoming a bigots' playground.

Ah sure bigots will always be there, the internet gives them an anonymous free ticket...

blinding

Boggles wrote: »

Okay, you really need to just stop comparing everything to ISIS.

It's beyond weird.

I am comparing the Tactic to an ISIS tactic because it is an ISIS tactic .

Graces7

tayto lover wrote: »

They fired shots in that same cemetery at the Blessing of the Graves a few years ago and luckily nobody was shot. A Garda helicopter was over the cemetery the following year and people couldn’t hear the prayers. These people are dregs and offer nothing to our society.

why that one? is there a grudge? Maybe I should know ?

Boggles

blinding wrote: »

I am comparing the Tactic to an ISIS tactic because it is an ISIS tactic .

ISIS have lots of tactics.

When ever some criminal uses one of these tactics will you pose the question Will they turn out like ISIS?

Hopefully not because it is fúcking weird.

Graces7

Kivaro wrote: »

Yeah, but it's not all of them. That's why you got carded.
My face and my fists are full of scars from fighting with Travelllers. I would never back down from the fluckers, which is why is I'm tattooed with natural scars. Never started anything myself, but the ****eheads were the usual ****eheads, and I responded appropriately.

But the reality is, not all of them are like that.
And I know it's a cliche, but that's the truth. They are not all like that. A hughe percentage is, but not all.

I have said this before on a similar thread that I have known great kindness from many travellers. Only one negative experience in nearly 20 years and many positive, time and again. Practical kindnesses.

alastair

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I think you are deluded WRT to this ethnic status

That very Status allows sulky racing on main roads. The poor animals are not looked after and are a danger to motorists too

And that is but one example of their contempt for society.

There’s delusion at play here alright. Ethnic status has absolutely nothing to do with a sulky racing on roads. Pavee Point is on record as opposing sulky racing on roads as dangerous to motorists, horses and participants. Their position is that it should be on properly legislated tracks as in other countries. You seem pretty contemptuous of facts.

blinding

Boggles wrote: »

ISIS have lots of tactics.

When ever some criminal uses one of these tactics will you pose the question Will they turn out like ISIS?

Hopefully not because it is fúcking weird.

Travellers have an ethnic status . They are a pretty closed community .

Its worrying when they start using ISIS tactics .

ISIS Muslims attack other Muslims more than they attack anyone else .

dudara

Stop the ISIS discussion please. What an odd angle to bring to this discussion.

dudara

BettePorter

whisky_galore wrote: »

It's almost like the camera phone holder was expecting the car, or something, to kick off.

Thays just a snippet of what happened. It had started minutes before that. At that point we had all been told to get off the pathways. What i dont understand is there is no mention of the second car. There were 2 cars. One following the other.

Mr Magnolia

I was close to the incident with my wife and children at their nanny's grave and saw most of it. To say it was shocking would be an understatement. He hit the people then spun off wildly only to return 30s later and do a lap of the graveyard in such reckless fashion as fast as the car could go with no consideration to the people having to run out of his way. Engine screaming and people screaming, it was an awful experience that will stay with me for a long time. All of the kids in close proximity, of which there were many, were absolutely terrified.

I hope he is sent down, with all his previous convictions, for a long time but I've little faith that he will.

facehugger99

Surely a graveyard wouldn't be a great place to try knocking people down as the headstones would act like concrete bollards.

splinter65

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

I was close to the incident with my wife and children at their nanny's grave and saw most of it. To say it was shocking would be an understatement. He hit the people then spun off wildly only to return 30s later and do a lap of the graveyard in such reckless fashion as fast as the car could go with no consideration to the people having to run out of his way. Engine screaming and people screaming, it was an awful experience that will stay with me for a long time. All of the kids in close proximity, of which there were many, were absolutely terrified.

I hope he is sent down, with all his previous convictions, for a long time but I've little faith that he will.

Even as you type his legal aid solicitor is interviewing him and writing a list of reasons why he is not to blame for what happened yesterday, the reasons it would be unfair and unhelpful to send him to prison, how very sorry he is that it happened, and how if he’s just given bail he’ll get help to ensure that it doesn’t happen again.
The Gardai will object but the judge will decide that the poor man needs someone to cut him a little slack.
And off you go.

Hector Savage

tayto lover wrote: »

Well the newspapers and RTÉ will never say that those responsible for crime are members of our ethnic community. They’re a protected species.

Doesn't matter most of us know that what the MSM say is lies and bull**** anyway.

whisky_galore

alastair wrote: »

There’s delusion at play here alright. Ethnic status has absolutely nothing to do with a sulky racing on roads. Pavee Point is on record as opposing sulky racing on roads as dangerous to motorists, horses and participants. Their position is that it should be on properly legislated tracks as in other countries. You seem pretty contemptuous of facts.

Travellers often ignore what PP has to say. They won't stop racing because PP, settled people or the law doesn't like it.

alastair

whisky_galore wrote: »

Travellers often ignore what PP has to say. They won't stop racing because PP, settled people or the law doesn't like it.

None of which suggests that ethnic minority status means they’re allowed race on the roads - the claim being made. They’re not, and the body leading the campaign for recognizing ethnicity status is plainly opposed to racing on the roads. Individual Travelers aren't exactly unique in ignoring rules and laws.

circadian

See previous mod warning

dudara

whisky_galore

alastair wrote: »

None of which suggests that ethnic minority status means they’re allowed race on the roads - the claim being made. They’re not, and the body leading the campaign for recognizing ethnicity status is plainly opposed to racing on the roads. Individual Travelers aren't exactly unique in ignoring rules and laws.

The status means nothing, just a lollipop given out by the govt to keep them quiet for a bit. Another easy win to make us appear all modern and inclusive. Photo shoots, pats on back etc.
Nothing changes though, they continue to do what they've always done.

alastair

whisky_galore wrote: »

The status means nothing, just a lollipop given out by the govt to keep them quiet for a bit. Another easy win to make us appear all modern and inclusive. Photo shoots, pats on back etc.
Nothing changes though, they continue to do what they've always done.

It was a long hard campaign to get ethnic status recognized. It might mean little you you, but clearly that’s not the case for the Travelling community. I’m not sure what you expected to change in the community on the back of recognition of their ethnic status? Seems like a particularly inane straw man argument.

whisky_galore

alastair wrote: »

It was a long hard campaign to get ethnic status recognized. It might mean little you you, but clearly that’s not the case for the Travelling community. I’m not sure what you expected to change in the community on the back of recognition of their ethnic status? Seems like a particularly inane straw man argument.

What does it change, tell me?

Roger Hassenforder

The Dalai Lama wrote: »

If they want to kill each other with their idiotic feuds then let them, but let them meet in a field and kill each other there, not at a graveyard!

Section off a graveyard, dig a big hole, and let them roll each other into it.

alastair

whisky_galore wrote: »

What does it change, tell me?

It frames discrimination against the Travellers as a matter of ethnicity, and it protects Travellers against the return of historic policies of cultural assimilation. It was never mooted as having anything to do with tackling Traveller criminality - as you implied.