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Ireland agrees to plan on migrant resettlement

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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,130 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    Jussie Smollet, A Lesbian punching herself in the face to claim she was a victim of gay bashing, A Lesbian couple burned down their own home for the same reason, A Black waitress wrote the n word on a receipt so she can claim to be a victim of racism. Plenty of more.

    Which of those happened in Galway, or Ireland?


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Boggles wrote: »
    Have the Gardaí ruled it out?

    Look that's way yes ,

    It's a simple burglary - happens every day unfortunately more Catholic church have been broken into Vs others .


    Unfortunately many people want to rant about racism and far right when it's not actually needed or adds to any real discussion in this case a simple burglary


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3 brian tank


    Deception, Lying and Taqiyya.
    The bleeding hearts will lap it up without question


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Yeah, but apart from those ones!!

    Oh there was that one recently. The pregnant black woman who said a white guy told her to go back where she came from.

    Boy did she pick the wrong ”white” to pin a fake RACIST! story on :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,130 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Gatling wrote: »
    Look that's way yes ,

    It's a simple burglary

    So the Gardaí have said it was a burglary, really?

    Have you a link?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Boggles wrote: »
    So the Gardaí have said it was a burglary,

    It was posted in the actual link which started this .


    Have you a link to say it's not burglary but something more sensational headline


    "Gardaí said they were investigating a burglary"

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0729/1065834-galway-mosque-attack/


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,130 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Gatling wrote: »
    It was posted in the actual link which started this .


    Have you a link to say it's not burglary but something more sensational headline


    "Gardaí said they were investigating a burglary"

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0729/1065834-galway-mosque-attack/

    I haven't claimed anything.

    You claimed
    Gatling wrote: »
    Look that's way yes ,

    It's a simple burglary

    I merely asked you for a link where the Gardaí state they have ruled out all possible other motives and this in fact just a "simple burglary".


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Boggles wrote: »
    I haven't claimed anything.


    I didn't claim it said exactly what the Gardai said a burglary but I'd guess you were hoping for some big race hate claim


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,130 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Gatling wrote: »
    I didn't claim it said exactly what the Gardai said a burglary but I'd guess you were hoping for some big race hate claim

    Why would you guess that? :confused:

    Either way who ever did it are absolute pond scum, wouldn't you agree?

    Also Detectives would keep an open mind when investigating things like this.

    So until I we here their conclusions, maybe best to lay off the Alternative Facts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Boggles wrote: »
    Why would you guess that?

    So until I we here their conclusions, maybe best to lay off the Alternative Facts.

    It's been publicly stated it's a burglary .

    Nothing more


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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,130 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Gatling wrote: »
    It's been publicly stated it's a burglary .

    Nothing more

    Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. The nature of a crime and reasons for a crime often evolve when investigated.

    Strange Burglars would smash computer screens and pictures though. :confused:

    Sounds more like just scum bag vandals to me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Gatling wrote: »
    Where exactly would we put 12000 Syrians or other refugees .
    We have over 100,000 families on social housing waiting lists as it is ,
    Look at the cost to 5000 in direct provision here costs something like half a billion a year ,so triple that number at least .then add 12000 families needing social welfare , medical and education supports , the free legal aid would could also triple to around 100 + million per year

    Asylum seekers don't come cheap .


    Every Tom Dick and Harry have themselves put down for free housing. Lots of people are not in need just needy in demanding what others save and pay for. Its easier have someone else pay.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Any word yet on the numbers that Fine Gael agreed for us to take in this new African migrant resettlement plan?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Any word yet on the numbers that Fine Gael agreed for us to take in this new African migrant resettlement plan?
    Macron who seems to be calling the shots on this, he simply said the new initiative would be "quick" and "automatic".
    Grand so.

    Also, if only 8 members of the EU27 signed up to this, wouldn't that automatically imply that's it's an unpopular, a minority choice and largely unwanted (quick-automatic) plan overall for the eu?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Ad infinitum


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Macron who seems to be calling the shots on this, he simply said the new initiative would be "quick" and "automatic".
    Grand so.

    Also, if only 8 members of the EU27 signed up to this, wouldn't that automatically imply that's it's an unpopular, a minority choice and largely unwanted (quick-automatic) plan overall for the eu?

    When have the EU ever given a **** about whether on not a dedision of theirs is popular?


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    When have the EU ever given a **** about whether on not a decision of theirs is popular?

    As long as it suits the French and Germans

    Sod everyone else


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    When have the EU ever given a **** about whether on not a decision of theirs is popular?
    Indeed they could of course, start putting decisions such as these to the general populous, in the way of a simple 'Y/N' online/txt e-vote.

    Like the mightly yearly Eurovision sing-song vote.

    But reckon the 'eurovision' they get back from the various nation populations, mightn't always match their eagerness of "quick" and "automatic" policy implementation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,130 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Indeed they could of course, start putting decisions such as these to the general populous, in the way of a simple 'Y/N' online/txt e-vote.

    Yeah, we should mimic X-Factor for all government decisions.

    Seems legit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Indeed they could of course, start putting decisions such as these to the general populous, in the way of a simple 'Y/N' online/txt e-vote.

    Two men, Leo Varadkar and Simon Coveney, have this concept of having diversity in every single village and town in Ireland, and they want it done fast. We need to know what their definition of "diversity" means, but many believe it is the Peter Sutherland's concept of diversity. Like the new African migrant resettlement plan being imposed on us by the French President Macron.

    Remembering that 60% of African adults currently in Ireland are unemployed, there should be a plebiscite on whether the people of Ireland want such a dramatic social change in our country.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Two men, Leo Varadkar and Simon Coveney, have this concept of having diversity in every single village and town in Ireland, and they want it done fast. We need to know what their definition of "diversity" means, but many believe it is the Peter Sutherland's concept of diversity. Like the new African migrant resettlement plan being imposed on us by the French President Macron.

    Remembering that 60% of African adults currently in Ireland are unemployed, there should be a plebiscite on whether the people of Ireland want such a dramatic social change in our country.

    Never going to happen.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,130 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Remembering that 60% of African adults currently in Ireland are unemployed,

    Hmm.
    The new study from the Economic and Social Research Institute has examined how well migrants are settling in the country.

    It has found that 16% of Africans living in Ireland are out of work
    Third-level qualifications are held by 48.7 per cent of Africans; significantly higher than the Irish population
    poorer labour market outcomes among this group are likely
    to be a combination of ...time spent in the asylum system and not in the labour market for those who were seeking protection, and potentially also the experience of racism and discrimination in the Irish labour market


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Usually there is a skewing of the numbers by those advocating for open borders to our country.
    This is the standard reference for Africans working in Ireland:

    O’Connell and Kenny (2017) show that only about 40% of adult African nationals in Ireland are employed, far less than the average for Irish natives or for other immigrant groups.

    From http://www.ucd.ie/geary/static/publi...rywp201816.pdf


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,130 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Usually there is a skewing of the numbers by those advocating for open borders to our country.
    This is the standard reference for Africans working in Ireland:

    O’Connell and Kenny (2017) show that only about 40% of adult African nationals in Ireland are employed, far less than the average for Irish natives or for other immigrant groups.

    From http://www.ucd.ie/geary/static/publi...rywp201816.pdf

    Same consensus.
    The risk of being an asylum seeker in Ireland substantially increases your risk of being unemployed. The impact of the Asylum:Population ratio on unemployment is particularly instructive.

    If an individual is in Direct Provision, and cannot therefore
    participate in the labour market, they can neither be employed no unemployed.

    The negative effect of the Asylum:Population ratio thus does not refer to current residents in Direct Provision, but relates to the those with a high risk of being or having been an asylum seeker. This is consistent with the proposition that the Direct Provision system has scarring effects on the future employment prospects of its residents.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Boggles wrote: »
    Same consensus.

    But that's only saying those asylum seekers in direct provision.

    Not those who have residentency rights


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,130 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Gatling wrote: »
    But that's only saying those asylum seekers in direct provision.

    Not those who have residentency rights
    The negative effect of the Asylum:Population ratio thus does not refer to current residents in Direct Provision, but relates to the those with a high risk of being or having been an asylum seeker. This is consistent with the proposition that the Direct Provision system has scarring effects on the future employment prospects of its residents

    The law was only changed recently which prohibited Asylum Seekers from working.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Boggles wrote: »
    The law was only changed recently which prohibited Asylum Seekers from working.
    Likely to prevent an surge or influx until their actual claim for asylum can be properly validated (note: upto 90% of claims are rejected).
    Otherwise folks could fly in from anywhere and start a McD job straight away.

    Also, do you have a source and details of your quoted claim that:
    "Third-level qualifications are held by 48.7 per cent of Africans; significantly higher than the Irish population"

    Particularly the actual college, university and course (maybe we assume it's not Trinity or OxBridge). Bear in mind most colleges in Ireland are not even recognised by other countries, during their actual proper and legal in-demand skilled-migration processes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,130 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Also, do you have a source and details of your quoted claim that:
    "Third-level qualifications are held by 48.7 per cent of Africans; significantly higher than the Irish population"

    Yeah it was in another study posted on here.

    But from the one posted above.
    At the upper end of the educational distribution, Africans appear to be a relatively well-educated group: almost 45% of Africans had third level of education, compared with 30% of those born in Ireland, and 36% of those born in the UK.

    Sure maybe give it read, you might learn something.
    Particularly the actual college, university and course (maybe we assume it's not Trinity or OxBridge).

    So unless someone went to Trinity or Oxbridge you wouldn't regard them as having gone to third level education?

    Good luck with that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭MontgomeryClift


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    This is not going to end well for us.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Boggles wrote: »
    Yeah it was in another study posted on here.
    Ok, so 'something from somewhere'
    Boggles wrote: »
    So unless someone went to Trinity or Oxbridge you wouldn't regard them as having gone to third level education?
    That's not what was said, read it again you might learn something.

    For example there are only x3 Universities in Ire, that the Aus migration sytem will recognise qualifications from. Anything else requires either much further in-depth research to verify or is simply dismissed and rejected.

    As you know Ireland is awash with 'Lingo schools' and various colleges that may be questionable. Then there is the issue with forgery, anyone can print out an Phd cert on a EpsonUV printer, or get it done for little money.

    Btw, we're talking in regards to 'illegal economic migration', not seperate in-demand skilled visa workers (from anywhere) who are always, always, always most welcome indeed.

    If you reckon almost 50% crossing the Med in boats or jumping out of trucks in Loais and Galway are 3rd level graduates, maybe have a quick check-in on reality.


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