Ireland agrees to plan on migrant resettlement

Boggles

Yahir Stale Piranha wrote: »

For example there are only x3 Universities in Ire, that the Aus migration sytem will recognise qualifications from. Anything else requires either much further in-depth research to verify or is simply dismissed and rejected.

Who gives a fúck what the Australians recognize? :pac:

You didn't get a third level education in Ireland unless Oz says so.

Get up the yard you mad thing.

Yahir Stale Piranha wrote: »

As you know Ireland is awash with 'Lingo schools' and various colleges that may be questionable. Then there is the issue with forgery, anyone can print out an Phd cert on a EpsonUV printer, or get it done for little money.

A PHD in Lingo?

Yahir Stale Piranha wrote: »

Btw, we're talking in regards to 'illegal economic migration',

I don't know what you are talking about TBH.

The study the user linked to is quite clear.

Like I said, give it read you might learn something.

jackofalltrades

If our direct provision system has "scarring effects" then we shouldn't be volunteering to add more people to it.
That and the employment and unemployment rates for African migrants here are terrible.
Especially for a group that has higher than average educational levels and an age profile that should lead to higher employment outcomes.

There's obviously a big problem here. We should try and fix it first rather than taking in more asylum seekers that will probably go on to have similar poor outcomes.

From the CSO.

Of the 1,009 Congolese in Ireland in April 2016, 527 persons were in the labour force and 333 were unemployed giving them an unemployment rate of 63.2 per cent, the highest of any group.

:eek: And the figures for Nigeria aren't much better.

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jackofalltrades wrote: »

Especially for a group that has higher than average educational levels and an age profile that should lead to higher employment outcomes.

That's 'if' they have higher than average educational levels.

Can only think that the other chap may be confusing the (50% with 3rd level) from the seperate actual skilled migration pathway program (in which case it's very low indeed, and should be 95%+).

Again it's pure madness (of the highest order) to even assume half of the economic migrants crossing the Med in boats or jumping out of trucks in Loais and Galway seeking Asylum, are actually proper, validated and comparable to local 3rd level graduates.

Boggles

Yahir Stale Piranha wrote: »

Again it's pure madness (of the highest order) to even assume half of the economic migrants crossing the Med in boats or jumping out of trucks in Loais and Galway seeking Asylum, are actually proper, validated and comparable to local 3rd level graduates.

Yeah, no one assumed that.

Read the study lad, educate yourself.

It's free. You might learn something.

Gatling

African nationals living in Ireland have a higher unemployment rate than other migrants and Irish people.

The new study from the Economic and Social Research Institute has examined how well migrants are settling in the country.

It has found that 16% of Africans living in Ireland are out of work, compared with 4% of people from western European countries.

The employment rate for Africans in Ireland was also very low at 45%, while 66% of Irish nationals were working.


https://www.rte.ie/amp/1009164/

Boggles

Gatling wrote: »

It has found that 16% of Africans living in Ireland are out of work

Personally thought it would be way higher than that.

Fair play, can't be easy given the start a lot them would have had here and what sort of carnage they came from.

Kivaro

Yahir Stale Piranha wrote: »

If you reckon almost 50% crossing the Med in boats or jumping out of trucks in Loais and Galway are 3rd level graduates, maybe have a quick check-in on reality.

And does anyone believe that Macron is going to be giving us African economic migrants where half of them have college degrees?
This is type of spiel that Germans fell for when Merkel opened up the doors and everything was kinda hunky dory until sexual assaults that were rumoured to been happening exploded into Cologne New Year's eve mass sexual assaults in 2016:

In July 2016, the Bundeskriminalamt (German Federal Criminal Police) declared that over 1,200 women had become victim of sexual violence in the New Year's Eve in Germany due to over 2,000 men, half of the identified 120 suspects having been in Germany since less than a year, with most of the 120 identified suspects having originated in North Africa.

Even after this was finally admitted by the German police, Irish liberals went to television to castigate the country for not accepting more migrants; telling us that the mass sexual assaults in Cologne were only anecdotal.
We have some people on here posting in the same manner .....

jackofalltrades

Yahir Stale Piranha wrote: »

That's 'if' they have higher than average educational levels.

Can only think that the other chap may be confusing the (50% with 3rd level) from the seperate actual skilled migration pathway program (in which case it's very low indeed, and should be 95%+).

Again it's pure madness (of the highest order) to even assume half of the economic migrants crossing the Med in boats or jumping out of trucks in Loais and Galway seeking Asylum, are actually proper, validated and comparable to local 3rd level graduates.

Page 9 from this report.
Based on a sample of the Census 2011 data.
It's gives the self reported educational attainment of people who were born in Africa.
So it would included high skilled migrants and asylum seekers.

MontgomeryClift

Gatling wrote: »

It has found that 16% of Africans living in Ireland are out of work, compared with 4% of people from western European countries.

The employment rate for Africans in Ireland was also very low at 45%, while 66% of Irish nationals were working.

That's better than expected. Looking at the US, where Africans have had a couple of centuries to settle in, over 50% of African Americans are on some kind of welfare, compared to 25% of hispanics and 3.5% of whites. About 40% of all US welfare reciptients are African American, though they make up about 15% of the population.

Boggles

Kivaro wrote: »

And does anyone believe that Macron is going to be giving us African economic migrants where half of them have college degrees?
This is type of spiel that Germans fell for when Merkel opened up the doors and everything was kinda hunky dory until sexual assaults that were rumoured to been happening exploded into Cologne New Year's eve mass sexual assaults in 2016:

In July 2016, the Bundeskriminalamt (German Federal Criminal Police) declared that over 1,200 women had become victim of sexual violence in the New Year's Eve in Germany due to over 2,000 men, half of the identified 120 suspects having been in Germany since less than a year, with most of the 120 identified suspects having originated in North Africa.

Even after this was finally admitted by the German police, Irish liberals went to television to castigate the country for not accepting more migrants; telling us that the mass sexual assaults in Cologne were only anecdotal.
We have some people on here posting in the same manner .....

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Boggles

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

Looking at the US, Africans have had a couple of centuries to settle in.

:pac:

Harvey Weinstein

Boggles wrote: »

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Really revealed yourself there Boggles, a post about over a thousand Women sexually assaulted in one night and you reply with zzzzzzzzz

Its quite obvious your position is one of ideological extremism and as far from a moral one as you can get. In fact you have very little morality at all.

To you these Women are merely collateral damage and the mass rapes are a small price to pay in the grand scheme of things.
I love it when people like you reveal themselves like this.

Kivaro

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Page 9 from this report.
Based on a sample of the Census 2011 data.
It's gives the self reported educational attainment of people who were born in Africa.
So it would included high skilled migrants and asylum seekers.

Even if it is from 2011, "self-reported"?
You do realise that a huge percentage of asylum claims are denied because the claimants are lying on their applications.
It seems that the assumption is that just because an asylum seeker states something e.g. "I am a doctor or engineer", that it should be taken to be the truth. I would prefer to see not only verifiable qualifications and certifications, but their practical skills should also be tested.
For example, the author of reports who pass off "self-reported" skills as bona fide, should have a minor operation performed on them by the self-reported doctor.

Tokyo

Boggles wrote: »

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Boggles wrote: »

:pac:

Mod: You're not willing to engage in discussion. Please don't post in the thread again.

Gatling

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

That's better than expected.

I believe when you add the student population it's around 60 % unemployment for Africans

mvl

Was just looking at this Dublin agreement - quote from link: The regulation states that a migrant’s country of arrival is responsible for fingerprinting and registering them, handling their asylum claims, hosting them if they are granted some form of protection and sending them back to their countries of origin if they are not.
But ... would it not be cheaper for Ireland to send them back to the countries of origin rather than hosting them in direct provision ?
- Thinking that current weekly allowance of 38EUR for adults adds up to almost 2000 EUR per year, except food and accommodation costs; I am sure one can get flights back to Africa for few hundreds.

Maybe if we did that for all those able for work but without proper jobs available, they would stop coming here ...

Mr. teddywinkles

Boggles wrote: »

Personally thought it would be way higher than that.

Fair play, can't be easy given the start a lot them would have had here and what sort of carnage they came from.

Say a lot is part time. A few hours a week is considered employment.

recedite

mvl wrote: »

Was just looking at this Dublin agreement - quote from link: The regulation states that a migrant’s country of arrival is responsible for fingerprinting and registering them, handling their asylum claims, hosting them if they are granted some form of protection and sending them back to their countries of origin if they are not.
But ... would it not be cheaper for Ireland to send them back to the countries of origin rather than hosting them in direct provision ?
- Thinking that current weekly allowance of 38EUR for adults adds up to almost 2000 EUR per year, except food and accommodation costs; I am sure one can get flights back to Africa for few hundreds.

Maybe if we did that for all those able for work but without proper jobs available, they would stop coming here ...

Course it would. But the asylum industry is big business now. There's a lot of fingers in the pie, from the lawyers to the well connected investors who buy up the aging hotels.

The fact that the taxpayer pays for all of it, is totally irrelevant for them.
Tourism brings money into the country. The replacement asylum industry costs us money instead.

Mr. teddywinkles

Yahir Stale Piranha wrote: »

That's 'if' they have higher than average educational levels.

Can only think that the other chap may be confusing the (50% with 3rd level) from the seperate actual skilled migration pathway program (in which case it's very low indeed, and should be 95%+).

Again it's pure madness (of the highest order) to even assume half of the economic migrants crossing the Med in boats or jumping out of trucks in Loais and Galway seeking Asylum, are actually proper, validated and comparable to local 3rd level graduates.

It's hilarious to think a country they leave has such a great education system in the first place. Cop the fook on people.

creeper1

mvl wrote: »

Was just looking at this Dublin agreement - quote from link: The regulation states that a migrant’s country of arrival is responsible for fingerprinting and registering them, handling their asylum claims, hosting them if they are granted some form of protection and sending them back to their countries of origin if they are not ...

To put it mildly there is some confusion about whether the Dublin convention still applies dating back to merkel’s come one come all announcement. That implies a migrant can travel to country of choice.

Then they confusingly said Dublin did still apply.

Salvini is also understandably making noise about Dublin putting stress on Italy and Greece.

This has nothing to do with education levels by the way. It is a practical problem of thousands of migrants turning up on Italy’s shores undocumented and, it would seem, unreturnable .

creeper1

Here is an up to date report from a reporter on board “seawatch” a ship that has attracted the ire of matio Salvini. Judge for yourself if such rescues are attracting migrants or not.

https://youtu.be/SahtQtJLrK8

vriesmays

Gatling wrote: »

African nationals living in Ireland have a higher unemployment rate than other migrants and Irish people.

The new study from the Economic and Social Research Institute has examined how well migrants are settling in the country.

It has found that 16% of Africans living in Ireland are out of work, compared with 4% of people from western European countries.

The employment rate for Africans in Ireland was also very low at 45%, while 66% of Irish nationals were working.


https://www.rte.ie/amp/1009164/

Do you know what their average IQ is.

recedite

creeper1 wrote: »

Here is an up to date report from a reporter on board “seawatch” a ship that has attracted the ire of matio Salvini. Judge for yourself if such rescues are attracting migrants or not.
https://youtu.be/SahtQtJLrK8

The traffickers seemed to be in contact with the migrants via phone messaging and arranged a rendezvous. On arriving at the migrant boat, the guy says into the microphone that the migrant boat is in very poor condition, but its obviously brand new.
Now on board the ship, the migrants are all taking selfies. Its a farce.
Everybody on board complaining about Libya, but the Libyans never invited them. The Libyans don't want either the migrants or the traffickers operating out of Libya.

JohnMc1

vriesmays wrote: »

Do you know what their average IQ is.

It definitely throws the "These are our doctors, lawyers and engineers" narrative out the window.

vriesmays

Ireland would have refused to accept those rocket scientist ex-Nazis who worked for NASA and helped put a man on the moon.

recedite

vriesmays wrote: »

Ireland would have refused to accept those rocket scientist ex-Nazis who worked for NASA and helped put a man on the moon.

Eh? You mean the Genuine Scientists?
There was a race between the Yanks and the Ruskies to get hold of them.
Ireland took some of the kids. And they went home again afterwards when things settled down.

All genuine refugees. Because there was a war. In Europe.
A very different situation.

Harvey Weinstein

Don't know if this has been posted already, but sometimes the truth does slip out..

Strange sort of socialists and leftists we have, on the same page as big business and capitalists in advocating for policies that will suppress workers wages.

JohnMc1

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

Don't know if this has been posted already, but sometimes the truth does slip out..

Strange sort of socialists and leftists we have, on the same page as big business and capitalists in advocating for policies that will suppress workers wages.

And if you say that 3rd migration causes wages to go down the usual Leftist talking heads will deny it and call you a racist.

antix80

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

There's plenty of immigrants. They keep housing stocks down.. so workers need more money to afford rents. Housing lists are full of migrants born outside Ireland.

4068ac1elhodqr

There are also many reports that Oct31 (not that long away) 'brexit day', will cost 100,000 jobs.
The media can't seem to make up their minds.