Ireland agrees to plan on migrant resettlement

SporadicMan

Gatling wrote: »

Does anyone think the damage is done and totally irreversible when it comes to the mass economic migrant situation that was allowed to happen , with nobody at the top thinking this could cause permanent and lasting damage to European countries

It's absolutely done and irreversible. Europe is finished in the long term. Best thing you can do is be as personally successful as possible and just continuously "flee" to the areas that are yet to be hit by the consequences.

Balf

Gatling wrote: »

Does anyone think the damage is done and totally irreversible when it comes to the mass economic migrant situation that was allowed to happen , with nobody at the top thinking this could cause permanent and lasting damage to European countries

I suspect its actually only starting. Some of the assumptions supporting current approaches are remarkable. It's like a dialogue that never quite joins up. For example:

The Enbalmer

Boggles wrote:

Do you agree with their "leader" and "manifesto"?

Do you agree with Islamic States leader and manifesto?

Help!!!!

Gatling wrote: »

Does anyone think the damage is done and totally irreversible when it comes to the mass economic migrant situation that was allowed to happen , with nobody at the top thinking this could cause permanent and lasting damage to European countries

It will all end badly with possible civil wars in counties thats why the EU want their army to crush any revolutions. The EU is going to end up like the Soviet Union & we all know how that went

corks finest

Enough of this P.C. Shi*e - Ireland isn't able to afford any more Africans etc,most don't contribute at all - anything to thi s country - enough - end of

Boggles

Help!!!! wrote: »

They are ready to run candidates for the next general election

I'll ask again.

Roughly how many?

Surely as a party member you would have an idea of this very basic information.

Help!!!! wrote: »

Seeing as there is no election this year why the hurry to find out?

It was you who declared they were ready now for the next GE.

Help!!!! wrote: »

The National Party is now ready for the next general election

Help!!!!

SporadicMan wrote: »

It's absolutely done and irreversible. Europe is finished in the long term. Best thing you can do is be as personally successful as possible and just continuously "flee" to the areas that are yet to be hit by the consequences.

Eastern Europe is OK at the moment & will continue as long as they keep Soros funded NGO's out

Tony Tucker

Permanent ban for homophobic comment. This is simply not acceptable.

dudara

Help!!!!

Boggles wrote: »

I'll ask again.

Roughly how many?

Surely as a party member you would have an idea of this very basic information.



It was you who declared they were ready now for the next GE.

More than 1, how many is FG running?
Yes ready

Boggles

Help!!!! wrote: »

More than 1,

So 2?

Help!!!! wrote: »

how many is FG running?
Yes ready

I have no idea I'm not a member of Fine Gael.

Assetbacked

SporadicMan wrote: »

So these huge groups of majority young men hop on their little float boats, get picked up by NGOs, get brought to Europe and get resettled across a wide variety of countries.

The burden is then on the tax payer to support their lifestyles while they get bumped to the top of free housing lists, free spending money, all the time in the world to have plenty of kids. All the while I am paying my tax, working hard to save up the necessary money to live somewhere. Somewhere where my neighbour could very well be somebody who just came here and had the house given to them.

They don't get sent home. They can endlessly appeal any rejections to their asylum claims. The vast majority of deportation orders aren't carried out. They don't go to prison unless they do something truly horrible.

What the hell is happening to Ireland? Or Western Europe in general?

Why is there absolutely no sentiment towards defending the social cohesion of our country? Why do I have to work hard and struggle so these people can come here and get everything handed to them? Just because they made it to the middle of the sea and an NGO picked them up?

If this keeps up, there's going to be a total collapse of society. It's reaching absurd numbers in the last 10 years.

It's at the point where the only explanations that actually makes sense are the ones that would be deemed as 'tin foil hat'. What is the objective here? What does Ireland, and its people, gain from having 90% young male bogus asylum seekers coming to the country?

When did we become so ****ing soft? Something has to happen, I don't think people realise how quickly this stuff will tear the country apart once it's reached the right number to do so.

Why do we just have to accept that our country is fundamentally changing to its core? In 50 years, it'll be unrecognisable. Why is that an inherently good thing that can't be questioned? I want to live in Ireland with a majority of Irish people. Does that make me so bad? I want us to have a home too. Once Ireland's fundamentally changed, we'll be gone forever.

It's as simple as the above. Not a racist concern at all, just questioning the direction society is going. The EU project is about the integration of Europeans, not non-Europeans. The UK and French have their legacy with colonialism and Germany with the Nazis - Ireland has a clear conscience and should not therefore take the same policy approach as other countries. We are sold the stats of "growth" by Fine Gael Inc. which essentially means companies get bigger and hire more employees while the ordinary workers lose out as competition for jobs and downward wage pressure increases.

The social cost is already easy to predict; look at the rise of populism. It is not based on racism but based on frustration with the direction the supposed mainstream parties have gone. Trump, Brexit etc. are entirely understandable. The next GE in Ireland and the UK will be very interesting.

The Enbalmer

Help!!!! wrote:

Eastern Europe is OK at the moment & will continue as long as they keep Soros funded NGO's out

They actually have a populace with a sense of self worth and a bit of national and cultural pride.
Unlike this country where every step and word is dogged and monitored by socialists,students who live far from any area blighted by immigration...for example no Irish person from tyrellstown or ballbriggan would be trolling by defending immigration,they've already seen enough and this is just Act 1.

Cordell

SporadicMan wrote: »

I want Ireland to control its borders. I never brought up the EU.

If being a part of the EU means that as a country we can't control our own borders, then yes I absolutely want to leave.

Stop this nonsense, Ireland opted out of schengen so it's quite capable of controlling its own borders, if only wants to do so.

SporadicMan

Cordell wrote: »

Stop this nonsense, Ireland opted out of schengen so it's quite capable of controlling its own borders, if only wants to do so.

My response is based on him asking if I want to leave the EU. I didn't bring up the EU.

I merely said if the EU means we can't control our borders, then we should leave. If we can anyway, then his reply makes no sense. His fault, not mine.

SporadicMan

The Enbalmer wrote: »

They actually have a populace with a sense of self worth and a bit of national and cultural pride.
Unlike this country where every step and word is dogged and monitored by socialists,students who live far from any area blighted by immigration...for example no Irish person from tyrellstown or ballbriggan would be trolling by defending immigration,they've already seen enough and this is just Act 1.

It's interesting how rapidly we've become this weird country. I remember when I was younger, the sentiment around this stuff was *very* different.

Crazy how quickly it can change. We're basically full of open border advocates now who value non-Irish over their own people. Or they don't even see Ireland as a country of Irish people anymore. It's sad, I want to go back to before, even if it means less variety in food :rolleyes:

Cordell

SporadicMan wrote: »

My response is based on him asking if I want to leave the EU. I didn't bring up the EU.

I merely said if the EU means we can't control our borders, then we should leave. If we can anyway, then his reply makes no sense. His fault, not mine.

It's not necessarily your reply, it's a general idea thrown around that we can't refuse asylum seekers because of the EU open borders, which is total nonsense. Same was said to justify brexit, just as much nonsense.

biko

Boggles wrote: »

Who gets to decide which decisions are important enough?

You? The 12 guys on here constantly banging on about migrants?

Of all the things we need to solve, this would be pretty low on the list if you actually put it to the general populous.

Did you notice this is a migrants thread? Read the title...

Feel free to start threads on other things you think is important instead of trying to dilute this one

Help!!!!

SporadicMan wrote: »

It's interesting how rapidly we've become this weird country. I remember when I was younger, the sentiment around this stuff was *very* different.

Crazy how quickly it can change. We're basically full of open border advocates now who value non-Irish over their own people. Or they don't even see Ireland as a country of Irish people anymore. It's sad, I want to go back to before, even if it means less variety in food :rolleyes:

Too many brainwashed in Uni's & the MSM

Calhoun

The Enbalmer wrote: »

I don't see why Islamic and African migration needs to be addressed by the west when none of their neighbours are willing to take them in.

Quatar,i believe has taken the grand total of feck all from Syria.

Yahir Stale Piranha wrote: »

It's not like Merkel or the trafficking orgs consulted in solidarity with all the member states, and it's not as easy as defining if someone (undocumented) is a vegatarian or not.

Perhaps the EU's future is in zones e.g. NW (Ire, Scandis, Holland, France) Central, South and Eastern blocks. Much like it was when joined back in '73.

While i generally disagree with taking them in on one level, as i think the countries that waging the war in those areas should be the ones who are doing the heavy lifting for now it has been decided that the EU will be supportive.

As we are a member of the EU and expect support when it comes to brexit ect we have to show support back.

This does not mean we should not be able to put our own checks and balances in place, it also as i said means we should be in a position to push back on economic migrants.

Lets face it our current immigration system is a basket case and it could all do with a overhaul.

Boggles

Assetbacked wrote: »

. The next GE in Ireland and the UK will be very interesting.

In what sense?

The UK will be, but how will Ireland?

FF will probably swap places with FG and the rest will be divided among the other parties and the Indos.

I'd hardly call that very interesting.

The only aspect of it that may be interesting is if we get the grand coalition, which we won't.

Boggles

biko wrote: »

Did you notice this is a migrants thread? Read the title...

Feel free to start threads on other things you think is important instead of trying to dilute this one

Backseat much?

I was responding to your proposal in this thread.

If you want an echo chamber lad, open up Word and bash away, it's a public forum, you have a problem with my posts report them by all means.

Tony Tucker

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda-deployment-to-middle-east-halted-by-pay-disagreement-1.3964231?mode=amp

The deployment of a group of gardaí to the Middle East last week as part of the Government’s refugee protection programme was cancelled following a disagreement over pay.

It is understood that eight officers and two sergeants were due to fly to Jordan on Friday for 13 days to interview up to 300 refugees and asylum seekers before sanctioning their relocation to Ireland.

The plans were cancelled after gardaí were told they would not be paid overtime for working their days off, the Garda Representative Association(GRA) said. It is understood flights and accommodation had been booked for the group that was due to travel.

In a statement, An Garda Síochána said it remains “fully committed” to its obligations under the Irish Refugee Protection Programme.

“The deployment did not go ahead, on this occasion, as agreement on terms of conditions of travel was not reached,” it said. “An Garda Síochána continues to work with our partners to fulfil our obligations.”

Philip McAnenly, deputy secretary general of the GRA, told RTÉ those who volunteered for the mission were informed that they would “not be paid the accepted and agreed rates of pay” at the “11th hour”.

“As a result they withdrew from the mission, but not before in the first instance trying to ensure that the agreement they had would be honoured and observed, not only in the letter but in the spirit. But unfortunately they didn’t receive that commitment and as a result they didn’t travel last week,” he added.



Waste of money anyway. All these refugees are being coached on what and what not to say.

topper75

The role of left wing parties in Ireland in relation to this is most confusing. They appear to pursue conflicting aims.
On one hand, they cheer trade unions. Trade unions/guilds operate as a cartel controlling the floor price in the market place of a particular service or set of skills.
On the the other hand, these parties (best exemplified by many statements made by arguably the most senior left-wing intellectual in Ireland, the current Labour Uachtarán) cheer the influx of foreign labour into our market, often demanding that the path be smoothed by money collected from the wage packets every week of the native Irish through the various taxes on their income.

This madness is analogous to an Irish motor industry trying to collude on one hand to maintain artificially high prices in their forecourts whilst at the same time clapping deliveries of more vehicles off container ships at our ports for casual sales on the roadside.

You can't pursue both aims and be taken seriously.

I would contend that left wing politics has turned its back on the Irish worker in recent decades and media commentary is all but absent. This phenomenon of betrayal was also visible in other English-speaking lands in the last ten years and manifested itself in sharp and surprising fashion in the ballot boxes of both the U.S. and U.K.

dudara

Help!!!! wrote: »

Too many brainwashed in Uni's & the MSM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Nah think I'll leave you guessing

Up your standard of posting please

dudara

4068ac1elhodqr

From the article: Macron said the new initiative would be "quick" and "automatic".
Would vetting or volume also be 'quick and automatic'?

Meanwhile, Italy's leader said it:
"does not take orders and is not a partner: if Macron wants to discuss migrants, come to Rome".
Poland, and the V4 would likely follow this approach.

corks finest

biko wrote:

Did all of Ireland agree to this? Or a couple of politicians swayed by foreign politics and the promise of glory once they have ruined their country?

Politicians only

Bit cynical

creeper1 wrote: »

This idea should not be entertained until the housing crisis and homelessness have been fixed.

Wasn’t that what a minister recently said?

What caused the backing down? Threats about the backstop?

I would say it is more about our tax policies relating to multinationals.

Boggles

The Enbalmer wrote: »

I don't see why Islamic and African migration needs to be addressed by the west when none of their neighbours are willing to take them in.

Can't see how the neighbors could be doing much more TBH.

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Help!!!!

Boggles wrote: »

Can't see how the neighbors could be doing much more TBH.

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<SNIP>

Doesn't seem to show how many Saudi Arabia took in;)

Help!!!!

Syria is three times the size of Ireland so plenty of safe areas for them to return to. Government officials have been calling for their people to go home to help rebuild the country.


https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2015/05/syria-country-divided-150529144229467.html

Harvey Weinstein

Gatling wrote: »

Does anyone think the damage is done and totally irreversible when it comes to the mass economic migrant situation that was allowed to happen , with nobody at the top thinking this could cause permanent and lasting damage to European countries

No, if the will is there then anything can be achieved.
Malaysia repatriated 840,000 immigrants in the last 5 years, so it can be done.https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2019/07/19/fresh-bid-to-send-illegal-workers-back-for-good/#ZIB1aC4W0d4OWpch.99

Harvey Weinstein

topper75 wrote: »

The role of left wing parties in Ireland in relation to this is most confusing. They appear to pursue conflicting aims.
On one hand, they cheer trade unions. Trade unions/guilds operate as a cartel controlling the floor price in the market place of a particular service or set of skills.
On the the other hand, these parties (best exemplified by many statements made by arguably the most senior left-wing intellectual in Ireland, the current Labour Uachtarán) cheer the influx of foreign labour into our market, often demanding that the path be smoothed by money collected from the wage packets every week of the native Irish through the various taxes on their income.

This madness is analogous to an Irish motor industry trying to collude on one hand to maintain artificially high prices in their forecourts whilst at the same time clapping deliveries of more vehicles off container ships at our ports for casual sales on the roadside.

You can't pursue both aims and be taken seriously.

I would contend that left wing politics has turned its back on the Irish worker in recent decades and media commentary is all but absent. This phenomenon of betrayal was also visible in other English-speaking lands in the last ten years and manifested itself in sharp and surprising fashion in the ballot boxes of both the U.S. and U.K.

100% correct, the left wing parties in Ireland are complete frauds. They have traded their economic ideals for identity issues. Hand them an LGBT flag and they will gladly advocate for the destruction of wages, workers rights, the ability of workers to own a home etc.

Assetbacked

Boggles wrote: »

In what sense?

The UK will be, but how will Ireland?

FF will probably swap places with FG and the rest will be divided among the other parties and the Indos.

I'd hardly call that very interesting.

The only aspect of it that may be interesting is if we get the grand coalition, which we won't.

FF becoming a major party again wouldn't be interesting? The party associated with the worst economic crash in several generations, with many politicians still running for them.


I think FG will take a battering which would be entirely at odds with the supposed "prosperity" we have had in Ireland the past 6 years. The Greens will come back from obscurity for no other reason than they have the word "Green" in their name. Independents and even Sinn Fein will do well as, for a lot of people, the heads in SF are not, for them, associated with any Troubles tomfoolery. Independents will also do well.

All of this will combine to leave a fractured political environment with no dominant party; and that's why it will be interesting.

As for the UK; it looks like the two party dominance will be dead and buried. Tories have sold out their Brexit-voting electorate by not delivering Brexit while Labour have pathetically failed to take advantage of the Tory in-fighting. Remember, there were 50% of voters almost who voted not to leave the EU who have been ignored in the entire Brexit negotiations the past few years; these people have not gone anywhere and will likely continue to vote to stay in the EU at any opportunity, whoever is offering this.

Help!!!!

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

No, if the will is there then anything can be achieved.
Malaysia repatriated 840,000 immigrants in the last 5 years, so it can be done.https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2019/07/19/fresh-bid-to-send-illegal-workers-back-for-good/#ZIB1aC4W0d4OWpch.99

Yes it certainly can
Stop benefits, see how many stay then

Boggles

Help!!!! wrote: »

Doesn't seem to show how many Saudi Arabia took in;)

They don't recognize Refugees plus they are complete bastards.

The Donald is a big fan.



But, To say Syrians neighbors don't take in refugees is complete and utter nonsense.

vriesmays

corks finest wrote: »

Enough of this P.C. Shi*e - Ireland isn't able to afford any more Africans etc,most don't contribute at all - anything to thi s country - enough - end of

What about the huge increase in Irish Mensa membership.

Harvey Weinstein

Boggles wrote: »

They don't recognize Refugees plus they are complete bastards.

The Donald is a big fan.



But, To say Syrians neighbors don't take in refugees is complete and utter nonsense.

The Irish Govt are even bigger fans, after all they're taking e280 million off them to invest in Waterford.
Funnily enough I don't remember any of our progressives complaining about it at the time.
You know..complaining that we're taking money from a regime that regularly executes Women and Homosexuals...strange that

liatroimabu

I wonder will these migrants be settled in communities in areas like Foxrock, Stepaside and other well off areas around the country, or will it be another case of trying to shoehorn them into areas that don't have the facilities to deal with any more people regardless of where they're from.

More than likely the latter so the politicians and such in the former areas/constituencies can give themselves a good clap on the back about being such fantastic humanitarians without having to deal with any of the possible fallout.

alastair

Help!!!! wrote: »

Doesn't seem to show how many Saudi Arabia took in;)

The Saudis aren’t signatories to UN refugee protocols - but there’s at least 500,000 Syrian ‘guests’ in Saudi.

eagle eye

Surely this will bring down the government. Everybody I've talked to today is up in arms over this.

alastair

liatroimabu wrote: »

I wonder will these migrants be settled in communities in areas like Foxrock, Stepaside and other well off areas around the country, or will it be another case of trying to shoehorn them into areas that don't have the facilities to deal with any more people regardless of where they're from.

More than likely the latter so the politicians and such in the former areas/constituencies can give themselves a good clap on the back about being such fantastic humanitarians without having to deal with any of the possible fallout.

I hadn’t realized that the entire political apparatus was based in Foxrock and Stepaside, and that there were no votes in the rest of the country. Is Shane Ross somehow a discreet autocrat?

liatroimabu

alastair wrote: »

I hadn’t realized that the entire political apparatus was based in Foxrock and Stepaside, and that there were no votes in the rest of the country. Is Shane Ross somehow a discreet autocrat?

You'll also notice I said other well off areas around the country, they just happened to be two well known affluent areas , one of which is the home of a government minister.

Odhinn

alastair wrote: »

I hadn’t realized that the entire political apparatus was based in Foxrock and Stepaside, and that there were no votes in the rest of the country. Is Shane Ross somehow a discreet autocrat?

Lord Winston Churchtown as some wit calls him.

Boggles

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

The Irish Govt are even bigger fans, after all they're taking e280 million off them to invest in Waterford.

Pittance.

The Donald just agreed to sell them 8 billion dollars worth of weapons.

Tip of the iceberg.

alastair

liatroimabu wrote: »

You'll also notice I said other well off areas around the country, they just happened to be two well known affluent areas , one of which is the home of a government minister.

Who has nothing to do with this portfolio. It’s frankly idiotic to suggest that there’s a greater electoral liability in affluent areas. Votes are votes.

Boggles

Assetbacked wrote: »

FF becoming a major party again wouldn't be interesting?

No. They are only 5 seats off FG as is.

They always bounce back. Its' pretty boring in fact.

liatroimabu

alastair wrote: »

Who has nothing to do with this portfolio. It’s frankly idiotic to suggest that there’s a greater electoral liability in affluent areas. Votes are votes.

Thats not what I suggested for a second, just wondering why no migrant center was ever proposed for these areas (or wondering if one will be proposed following this news) but one was intended for Rooskey which doesn't even have decent services for the people currently there, let alone adding people to the area.

Help!!!!

Boggles wrote: »

Pittance.

The Donald just agreed to sell them 8 billion dollars worth of weapons.

Tip of the iceberg.

Thats called trade, what are we trading?

Help!!!!

liatroimabu wrote: »

Thats not what I suggested for a second, just wondering why no migrant center was ever proposed for these areas (or wondering if one will be proposed following this news) but one was intended for Rooskey which doesn't even have decent services for the people currently there, let alone adding people to the area.

Stick one near Bonos gaff & you'll see him object like anyone else. Its all well & good virtue signalling until its on your doorstep & having to deal with the fallout

DublinWriter

eagle eye wrote: »

Surely this will bring down the government. Everybody I've talked to today is up in arms over this.

This is Ireland. We'll all go to the pub tonight or call Joe Duffy, have a good rant, forget all about it and next week we'll be whinging about how our MEP hasn't "fixhed da road" yet.

We're sheeple and have been taking it asswards from priests and politicians for hundreds of years. That doesn't change overnight.