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Ireland agrees to plan on migrant resettlement

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    #1382
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Yurt! wrote: »
    I'm not making the argument for illegal immigration in case you think I am. I hold that uncontrolled immigration is a net-negative for whatever society is subjected to it.

    What I was angling at was that Grealish is on his soapbox railing against Africans coming to his country, when his siblings were probably in violation of immigration law in the US at one stage or another.

    And as an elected representative, he seeks to undermine the immigration laws of another sovereign state - because shur, aren't all the boys from Galway over on a spoof great craic, and aren't they more deserving than the black fellas??

    There’s that “probably” again.


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    #1383
    JMMCapital
    Registered Users Posts: 373 ✭✭JMMCapital


    Ralph Ciffereto wrote: »
    Seems to be a lot living in the hostels in Gardiner St as well.

    Serious question, are Roma folks turning up here, presenting as homeless and skint, and being put into hotels or even family hubs? Have any recently arrived Roma actually managed to get on the housing list without having done a days work in the country? There's Roma living in private build estates in Blanch- given how hard it is for ANYONE to acquire a rental property, I somehow doubt landlords would have these people at the top of their list for tenants if they themselves have to pick up the rent, thus you would assume the properties were acquired by the council for rental.

    From what I recall an EU citizen normally has to have worked for two years to avail of any type of social supports. Not only that but a state can deport EU citizens who after a few months seem to have no reasonable reason for residing in the state.

    Mainly colored african folks around where i am, there actually sound enough was talking to a few of them they play football in the local pitch. All they do is walk down to the beach everyday, hopefully they don't turn to crime I think a few people in the town have given them part times jobs.


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    #1384
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    There’s that “probably” again.

    Yep, they probably were on a spoof over there. Sorry I can't help you further and thanks for the snarky contribution.


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    #1385
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Yep, they probably were on a spoof over there. Sorry I can't help you further and thanks for the snarky contribution.

    You’re probably making that up, as you’ve no idea how they got there.


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    #1386
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    You’re probably making that up, as you’ve no idea how they got there.


    It was the 80's. They were a west of Ireland family, they weren't going to work on particle physics at MIT or to play with the New York Cosmos with Franz Beckenbauer.

    You've heard of the Morrison visa scheme? A congress initiative in the early 90s specifically designed to regularize the 10s of thousands of Irish that arrived the previous decade were working illegally and had become a political thorn.

    Note Grealish's regular speaking up for the poor auld divils who are undocumented speaks volumes.


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    #1387
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Yurt! wrote: »
    It was the 80's. They were a west of Ireland family, they weren't going to work on particle physics at MIT or to play with the New York Cosmos with Franz Beckenbauer.



    You've heard of the Morrison visa scheme? A congress inititave in the early 90s specifically designed to regularize the 10s of thousands of Irish that arrived the previous decade, were working illegally and had become a political thorn.


    Note Grealish's regular speaking up for the the poor auld divils who are undocumented speaks volumes.

    Probably more waffle.


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    #1388
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »
    As was stated before. What's here for them from economic stand point. Saying working a min wage job here is great with he cost of living so high? What's the future without garunteed supports. So this bollix of they'll work. Even if they do they will most definitely still be rely on state supports for a very long time either way. Work or don't work.

    +1 , considering how narrow our tax band is anyway, there is literally no benefit to Ireland to let anyone in who isn't guaranteed to be earning over 30k a year within a year or two of landing here.


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    #1389
    punisher5112
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    Roma gypsies are now getting free travel, housing and many other benefits....

    This is pure madness.


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    #1390
    WB Yokes
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    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Roma gypsies are now getting free travel, housing and many other benefits....

    This is pure madness.

    A family of them live near me, council house and i see them go over the post office for their free money. Not a chance anyone ever employed them here. How are they getting welfare and a house?


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    #1391
    punisher5112
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    WB Yokes wrote: »
    A family of them live near me, council house and i see them go over the post office for their free money. Not a chance anyone ever employed them here. How are they getting welfare and a house?

    As they are coming from a member of the EU....

    It's actually so unreal most won't believe me when I tell them...

    They're out robbing and begging then get on the bus with their new welfare pass and away they go....


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    #1392
    enricoh
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    WB Yokes wrote: »
    A family of them live near me, council house and i see them go over the post office for their free money. Not a chance anyone ever employed them here. How are they getting welfare and a house?

    Eu citizens, unfortunately!


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    #1393
    WB Yokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 370 ✭✭WB Yokes


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    As they are coming from a member of the EU....

    It's actually so unreal most won't believe me when I tell them...

    They're out robbing and begging then get on the bus with their new welfare pass and away they go....

    Not sure where they come from. Even if in the EU i thought you had to work for a while before you are eleigible for welfare?

    Thats madness.


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    #1394
    Ralph Ciffereto
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    punisher5112 wrote: »
    As they are coming from a member of the EU....

    .

    But how many white people from Poland could just show up, claim destitution and get a house?

    Answer is, none.

    Of the 10,000 people living in emergency accommodation it would seem a sizeable proportion are Roma. After all they seem to be heavily present in the areas of Dublin that most of the low quality hostels and B&B's are in (Gardiner St, NCR) Coming to a new country with no money, no accommodation prepared and no intent to find work is not my definition of genuine homelessness.

    And not a single TD will call this scam out. I don't even respect Grealish- he's gone into hiding now, rather than coming out fighting wasters like Joe Loughnane armed with statistics and facts that partly prove his comments.


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    #1395
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    WB Yokes wrote: »
    Not sure where they come from. Even if in the EU i thought you had to work for a while before you are eleigible for welfare?

    Thats madness.

    The thing I can't get. I know Irish lads on the dole for a couple of months and they were literally chased and harassed by government agencies back to work. Why the same not happening with this lot?


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    #1396
    WB Yokes
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    That time when air traffic was stopped because of the volcano in Iceland, they uncovered a scam roma gypsys collecting welfare and child benefit in numerous countries, despite not living there full time.


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    #1397
    enricoh
    Registered Users Posts: 4,919 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Ralph Ciffereto wrote: »
    But how many white people from Poland could just show up, claim destitution and get a house?

    Answer is, none.

    Of the 10,000 people living in emergency accomadation it would seem a sizeable proportion are Roma. Coming to a new country with no money, no accomadation prepared and no intent to find work is not my definition of genuine homelessness.

    And not a single TD will call this scam out. I don't even respect Grealish- he's gone into hiding now, rather than coming out fighting wasters like Joe Loughnane armed with statistics and facts that partly prove his comments.

    Think of it as a holiday for the roma. Present here as homeless n dublin corpo will put ya up in a hotel until such time as they can provide ya with social housing n full welfare.
    Best little country in the world!


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    #1398
    WB Yokes
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    Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »
    The thing I can't get. I know Irish lads on the dole for a couple of months and they were literally chased and harassed by government agencies back to work. Why the same not happening with this lot?

    Im sure a box gets ticked "special circumstances". You dont get left on the dole these days you get hounded till you get a job or a course so there is obviously underhanded stuff going on.


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    #1399
    enricoh
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    Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »
    The thing I can't get. I know Irish lads on the dole for a couple of months and they were literally chased and harassed by government agencies back to work. Why the same not happening with this lot?

    The longer u are on the dole the less hassle you get. Like our native travellers, virtually unemployable.


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    #1400
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,550 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    WB Yokes wrote: »
    That time when air traffic was stopped because of the volcano in Iceland, they uncovered a scam roma gypsys collecting welfare and child benefit in numerous countries, despite not living there full time.

    Wasnt just roma

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/social-welfare-fraud-7-4742151-Jul2019/%3famp=1

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/ash-cloud-crisis-exposes-welfare-tourists-26664210.html


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    #1401
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Wasnt just roma

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/social-welfare-fraud-7-4742151-Jul2019/%3famp=1

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/ash-cloud-crisis-exposes-welfare-tourists-26664210.html

    welfare fraud is rampant here, tonnes of cases like that. The roma gypsies pull every trick in the book.


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    #1402
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    welfare fraud is rampant here, tonnes of cases like that. The roma gypsies pull every trick in the book.

    If i remember correctly many (most?) Of those cases were Polish people flying over and claiming.


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    #1403
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    If i remember correctly many (most?) Of those cases were Polish people flying over and claiming.

    Most were indeed. But anyone that could was at it.


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    #1404
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    enricoh wrote: »
    The longer u are on the dole the less hassle you get. Like our native travellers, virtually unemployable.

    Think it's a case of if they know y'all work the more yer hounded


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    #1405
    JohnMc1
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    Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »
    The thing I can't get. I know Irish lads on the dole for a couple of months and they were literally chased and harassed by government agencies back to work. Why the same not happening with this lot?

    Because they're afraid of the accusations of being racist.


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    #1406
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    I am so fcukibf tired of the racist card....

    We are a one as in a human being.... I could not give a flying fluck if you are yellow, purple or green.....

    I'm so sick of hearing it....

    Have we oppressed these people in some way???

    Eh no this is a small island that I'd it were invaded tomorrow we would need the Brits or USA to help...


    We want Ireland to be just that Ireland and not involved in sh1t.


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    #1407
    pinkyeye
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    WB Yokes wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm6SAsrnhSs


    Last nights bit on prime time about Oughterard, Miriam diving straight in looking for a racist angle.

    I don't think you watched that video because she clearly attacks the minister for a lot longer than she gently questions the locals? :confused::confused:


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    #1408
    pinkyeye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭pinkyeye


    WB Yokes wrote: »
    We dont even know if thats what he said. We have the word of one person who has an agenda.

    There's a video...….


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    #1409
    PostWoke
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    WB Yokes wrote: »
    That time when air traffic was stopped because of the volcano in Iceland, they uncovered a scam roma gypsys collecting welfare and child benefit in numerous countries, despite not living there full time.

    Source for this? Not surprising in the least. Guess we need more volcanic eruptions :pac:


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    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    PostWoke wrote: »
    Source for this? Not surprising in the least. Guess we need more volcanic eruptions :pac:

    https://amp-independent-ie.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/ash-cloud-crisis-exposes-welfare-tourists-26664210.html?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#aoh=15690036658963&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Firish-news%2Fash-cloud-crisis-exposes-welfare-tourists-26664210.html


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    #1411
    PostWoke
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    punisher5112 wrote: »
    https://amp-independent-ie.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/ash-cloud-crisis-exposes-welfare-tourists-26664210.html?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#aoh=15690036658963&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Firish-news%2Fash-cloud-crisis-exposes-welfare-tourists-26664210.html

    Can we get maybe one of the Italian volcanoes to create a wall of hardened magma to stop these asylum scammers next?

    "Those who failed to sign on and could not provide an acceptable explanation will have lost their minimum Jobseekers Allowance of €784 -- €196 a week -- for the four-week period."

    Why did they word it like this? Surely you have to go every week on your set day or it's not collectable? How does the scratch work these days?


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