Ireland agrees to plan on migrant resettlement

antix80

Kivaro wrote: »

The migrants in the new plan are from Africa, and while there is a possibility that some may be fleeing war, the overwhelming majority will be economic migrants

There is a lot of savagery in Africa, use of rape as a weapon, hacking limbs off with machetes, burning villages, FGM, Islamist terrorists. And on the other end you have Nigerian princes who are a nuisance more than anything.

In the words of Donald Trump, when he was talking about immigration from Mexico:

They're not sending their best ... They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

This is what you get with African immigrants, too. I think Africa has much worse social problems than Mexico and it is a lot harder to integrate people from African and Middle-Eastern backgrounds than Mexican/Central/South American backgrounds.

Help!!!!

Boggles wrote: »

So the Syrian Family who lives near you got €8,000 towards a car?

What they get?

They didn't get a car yet but they did get the €5k for their house

looksee

So what we need is a photo of a load of 00 reg cars parked at Mosney, or one of the other direct provision centres? How do they buy petrol on €20 a week - or insurance, tax, tyres etc?

Limpy

Boggles wrote: »

So the Syrian Family who lives near you got €8,000 towards a car?

What they get?

He probably meant when they were rebels in Syria they got 8k for a Toyota pick up off uncle Sam.

Odhinn

Help!!!! wrote: »

Go speak to a migrant family, get it from the horses mouth

.......it seems to be originating from the rear of a bull as it stands. Why can't you link to the relevant page listing the benefits available?

Help!!!!

looksee wrote: »

So what we need is a photo of a load of 00 reg cars parked at Mosney, or one of the other direct provision centres? How do they buy petrol on €20 a week - or insurance, tax, tyres etc?

When they are given houses & are made resident they get these grants but I'm sure you know that DP is different

Odhinn

looksee wrote: »

So what we need is a photo of a load of 00 reg cars parked at Mosney, or one of the other direct provision centres? How do they buy petrol on €20 a week - or insurance, tax, tyres etc?

You'd think that amongst the outraged who are handed a cheque for 8k for a car by these asylum seekers there'd be one who'd think to photocopy it and go to the papers.

Help!!!!

Odhinn wrote: »

.......it seems to be originating from the rear of a bull as it stands. Why can't you link to the relevant page listing the benefits available?

Do you really think they will advertise it?
Listen believe it or dont I'm not bothered.

Odhinn

Help!!!! wrote: »

When they are given houses & are made resident they get these grants but I'm sure you know that DP is different

Again - where are the links to the list of these available benefits ?

Boggles

Help!!!! wrote: »

They didn't get a car yet but they did get the €5k for their house

But he told you they are getting €8,000 for car?

What was the €5,000 for the house for?

Odhinn

Help!!!! wrote: »

Do you really think they will advertise it?

Yes, yes I do.

antix80

looksee wrote: »

So what we need is a photo of a load of 00 reg cars parked at Mosney, or one of the other direct provision centres? How do they buy petrol on €20 a week - or insurance, tax, tyres etc?

They are about 700 asylum seekers in Mosney and probably 500 case workers from NGOs and state agencies working with them. They cart the asylum seekers around various other NGOs, state agencies, charities, etc, with the begging bowl out and they get hundreds or even thousands of euros for each family in education grants, cars, taxis and travel, trips, immigration fees, legal fees, etc.

It's a great industry and provides decent salaries for all the workers involved.

Limpy

Which government departments decides its 8k. Do they turn up at the welfare office and say I can only drive a car worth 8k.

Is the amount decided by a welfare officer? So they get a cheque for 8k which says only to be used for the purchase of a car? Or do they have to go to a garage and get a receipt for a car then bring it to a welfare officer?

looksee

Tbh, if a refugee family were accepted as having a good case and allowed to stay, I would not have a problem with them being given a start in life here. There is no point accepting that people should be rescued from a dire situation and then left completely homeless and with no resources.

The problems are that

1. people are not being processed/sorted fast enough so they end up in a limbo situation. They should be either allowed to stay, or returned to their homeland.
2. local people are happy to mix up refugees and migrants, and create fantasy stories about how they are treated.

Information about services and entitlements for people in direct provision are here https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/services_for_asylum_seekers_in_ireland/direct_provision.html

While I have no doubt a few people slip through the net and exceed their entitlements, or do not receive them, in general I can see no reference to giving cars and furniture to refugees and asylum seekers. Maybe if you are directly aware of this happening you should be querying it with your local authority.

creeper1

looksee wrote: »

Tbh, if a refugee

The problems are that

1. people are not being processed/sorted fast enough so they end up in a limbo situation. They should be either allowed to stay, or returned to their homeland.
2. local people are happy to mix up refugees and migrants, and create fantasy stories about how they are treated.

1. To deport failed asylum seekers means making them get valid travel documents from their embassies which in practice they refuse to do. There is also an endless appeals process that keeps them in Ireland. Believe me if they make it here they aren’t going anywhere. That is just the reality.

2. Most of them seem to come from Nigeria, Pakistan, Bangladesh places that have problems from time to time but in no way could be called war zones

The Enbalmer

Odhinn wrote: »

You'd think that amongst the outraged who are handed a cheque for 8k for a car by these asylum seekers there'd be one who'd think to photocopy it and go to the papers.

And shut down a handy number for themselves?

Odhinn

The Enbalmer wrote: »

And shut down a handy number for themselves?

...there's no number, handy or otherwise.

weldoninhio

looksee wrote: »

Tbh, if a refugee family were accepted as having a good case and allowed to stay, I would not have a problem with them being given a start in life here. There is no point accepting that people should be rescued from a dire situation and then left completely homeless and with no resources.

The problems are that

1. people are not being processed/sorted fast enough so they end up in a limbo situation. They should be either allowed to stay, or returned to their homeland.
2. local people are happy to mix up refugees and migrants, and create fantasy stories about how they are treated.

Information about services and entitlements for people in direct provision are here https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/services_for_asylum_seekers_in_ireland/direct_provision.html

While I have no doubt a few people slip through the net and exceed their entitlements, or do not receive them, in general I can see no reference to giving cars and furniture to refugees and asylum seekers. Maybe if you are directly aware of this happening you should be querying it with your local authority.

You'd be surprised at how quickly people are processed. It is the never ending merry-go-round of spurious appeal after appeal, all on the taxpayers dime that cause people to be in DP for so long.

antix80

They're notorious liars too. They're penalised for telling the truth. So they lie about where they're from, date of birth, what happened to their passport, reasons for being here. And the onus is on us to prove they are lying.

Boggles

If they are deported, what happens their 8,000 + car?

Abandoned outside Mosney?

The Enbalmer

Boggles wrote: »

If they are deported, what happens their 8,000 + car?

Abandoned outside Mosney?

They. Sell. Them.


Would YOU abandon an expensive asset if you were being kicked out??

The Enbalmer

Odhinn wrote: »

...there's no number, handy or otherwise.

So you say.


Have you got a car yourself?

Boggles

The Enbalmer wrote: »

They. Sell. Them.


Would YOU abandon an expensive asset if you were being kicked out??

How much does a fictional asset go for these days?

You might ask your Nigerian Buddy in Greece the next time you are over.

Report back.

Help!!!!

Odhinn wrote: »

Again - where are the links to the list of these available benefits ?

Ok explain to me this
When a refugee family is housed they end up going out and buying a big screen tv or getting a car within a couple of weeks? I thought these were poor people needing our help

looksee

weldoninhio wrote: »

You'd be surprised at how quickly people are processed. It is the never ending merry-go-round of spurious appeal after appeal, all on the taxpayers dime that cause people to be in DP for so long.

Well that's great, best all round. However there have been cases of people being in the country for up to 10 years, the children are completely adapted to life here and in school and then they are deported. How is that fair to anyone? There should be opportunity to appeal, I don't think you can dismiss all appeals as spurious, but unless there are exceptional circumstances a single appeal should be able to sort it, then it is up to the government to take definitive steps to deport them.

The point about them having to apply for documentation from their embassy needs explanation. I do not have enough knowledge of the international rules relating to statelessness or refugee status to comment on this. It seems unlikely that there is no accepted mechanism for an economic migrant, for example, to be returned to their own country.

Boggles

Help!!!! wrote: »

Ok explain to me this
When a refugee family is housed they end up going out and buying a big screen tv or getting a car within a couple of weeks? I thought these were poor people needing our help

How long have your Syrian neighbors been living near you?

Odhinn

Help!!!! wrote: »

Ok explain to me this
When a refugee family is housed they end up going out and buying a big screen tv or getting a car within a couple of weeks? I thought these were poor people needing our help

How do I know a refugee family did this? Why can't anyone show on what grounds money can be requested from the relevant department?

The Enbalmer

Odhinn wrote: »

How do I know a refugee family did this? Why can't anyone show on what grounds money can be requested from the relevant department?

Why can't you PROVE that absolutely everybody is making these stories up?

Boggles

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Why can't you PROVE that absolutely everybody is making these stories up?

Well 2 people really, a poster on here and some Nigerian lad in Greece who may or may not be his own brother, you were only relaying his story, right?

ancapailldorcha

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Why can't you PROVE that absolutely everybody is making these stories up?

Because whoever makes a claim should substantiate it. It's fairly basic debating logic in fairness.

Gatling

The average exceptional needs payment for fitting out a house is around €1700 ,
You mainly get beds and white goods for which you need to hand in 3 quotes for each.and you get the cheapest.


Car wise my dad sold one of his several years back which a foreign chap used a social welfare cheque to pay for it ,
Dad then contacted the department before accepting it and they said it was above board ,
Cheque cleared in the bank with no issues.

The Enbalmer

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Because whoever makes a claim should substantiate it. It's fairly basic debating logic in fairness.

How do you want me to do that? Will i post his FB profile up so you can ask him yourself?


Funny how all the "impartial" moderators are coming out of the woodwork to "debate" as long as it's from one side only!

ancapailldorcha

The Enbalmer wrote: »

How do you want me to do that? Will i post his FB profile up so you can ask him yourself?

No idea. I didn't claim that refugees were getting such magnanimous handouts.

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Funny how all the "impartial" moderators are coming out of the woodwork to "debate" as long as it's from one side only!

I do not moderate this forum.

The Enbalmer

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

No idea. I didn't claim that refugees were getting such magnanimous handouts.

Well just because you weren't aware of it 9like many of the posters here) it doesn't mean it doesn't exist..


It actually conforms the worldview that irish people are actually very small-minded..they have a wide-eyed innocent view of the world in which african migrants are poor (literally) innocent souls,fleeing destitution and are incapable of fraud or dishonesty.

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I do not moderate this forum.

hallelujah!

Boggles

Gatling wrote: »

The average exceptional needs payment for fitting out a house is around €1700 ,
You mainly get beds and white goods for which you need to hand in 3 quotes for each.and you get the cheapest.

Link?

That is some pretty exact detail, surely this would be published somewhere.

Gatling wrote: »

Car wise my dad sold one of his several years back which a foreign chap used a social welfare cheque to pay for it ,
Dad then contacted the department before accepting it and they said it was above board ,
Cheque cleared in the bank with no issues.

How much was the cheque for?

The Enbalmer

Boggles wrote: »

Link?

That is some pretty exact detail, surely this would be published somewhere.

It's being published her. for God's sake open your mind!

Eric Cartman

Boggles wrote: »

Link?

That is some pretty exact detail, surely this would be published somewhere.



How much was the cheque for?

even if it was 500 quid, the social shouldnt be buying people cars.

Annasopra

Help!!!! wrote: »

Ok explain to me this
When a refugee family is housed they end up going out and buying a big screen tv or getting a car within a couple of weeks? I thought these were poor people needing our help

Where is the proof of all this money thrown at people?

ancapailldorcha

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Well just because you weren't aware of it 9like many of the posters here) it doesn't mean it doesn't exist..

It actually conforms the worldview that irish people are actually very small-minded..they have a wide-eyed innocent view of the world in which african migrants are poor (literally) innocent souls,fleeing destitution and are incapable of fraud or dishonesty.

No but the Boards.ie nationalists claiming that it does doesn't make that so either.

Boggles

Eric Cartman wrote: »

even if it was 500 quid, the social shouldnt be buying people cars.

There is absolutely no tangible proof they are.

So I'd hold off on the outrage.

The Enbalmer

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

No but the Boards.ie nationalists claiming that it does doesn't make that so either.

nationalism

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Maybe you've forgotten how this country came about?

weldoninhio

looksee wrote: »

Well that's great, best all round. However there have been cases of people being in the country for up to 10 years, the children are completely adapted to life here and in school and then they are deported. How is that fair to anyone? There should be opportunity to appeal, I don't think you can dismiss all appeals as spurious, but unless there are exceptional circumstances a single appeal should be able to sort it, then it is up to the government to take definitive steps to deport them.

The point about them having to apply for documentation from their embassy needs explanation. I do not have enough knowledge of the international rules relating to statelessness or refugee status to comment on this. It seems unlikely that there is no accepted mechanism for an economic migrant, for example, to be returned to their own country.

So you just wanna being back anchor babies?

I’m curious, would you ban all Irish families from emigrating if they had children, since Ireland is all they know etc??

Boggles

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Maybe you've forgotten how this country came about?

Irrational hatred of brown people???

The Enbalmer

Boggles wrote: »

Irrational hatred of brown people???

You're without any doubt trolling now..i suspected it for a while.


Absolutely no sense trying to debate with you and i won't be wasting any more of my time.

Boggles

The Enbalmer wrote: »

You're without any doubt trolling now..i suspected it for a while.

No, it was bone fide question.

Seems to be the common denominator of your Irish "online" Nationalist these days.

Don't remember reading about Collins fighting any Brown people.

What do you think yourself?

The Enbalmer

Boggles wrote: »

No, it was bone fide question.

Seems to be the common denominator of your Irish "online" Nationalist these days.

Don't remember reading about Collins fighting any Brown people.

What do you think yourself?

I can't make head nor tail of your ramblings at this stage so as i said i'm not willing to engage further with you.

This plantation clearly is not what Irish people want, but we're going to get it anyway. "Please give us diversity," said no nation ever.

I would suggest that we have a referendum on this, but I'm not naive enough to think we will get one.

And this is only the beginning. Dark times ahead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5rIaIHzZ7M

Boggles

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

This plantation clearly is not what Irish people want, but we're going to get it anyway. "Please give us diversity," said no nation ever.

I would suggest that we have a referendum on this, but I'm not naive enough to think we will get one.

And this is only the beginning. Dark times ahead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5rIaIHzZ7M

The Notre Dam fire was a result of "diversity"?

:pac:

The Enbalmer

Boggles wrote: »

The Notre Dam fire was a result of "diversity"?

:pac:

No this was!

creeper1

looksee wrote: »

Well that's great, best all round. However there have been cases of people being in the country for up to 10 years, the children are completely adapted to life here and in school and then they are deported. How is that fair to anyone? There should be opportunity to appeal, I don't think you can dismiss all appeals as spurious, but unless there are exceptional circumstances a single appeal should be able to sort it, then it is up to the government to take definitive steps to deport them.

The point about them having to apply for documentation from their embassy needs explanation. I do not have enough knowledge of the international rules relating to statelessness or refugee status to comment on this. It seems unlikely that there is no accepted mechanism for an economic migrant, for example, to be returned to their own country.

Nothing can be done if a migrant destroys their passport and has no travel documents. Often embassies refuse to believe the migrant is their citizen and issues no documents for them. It’s a bureaucratic nightmare.

Believe me when they are in they are permanently in and it will prove difficult or I possible to remove them.

Anyone with plenty of time on their hands can read this

http://pointofnoreturn.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/PONR_report.pdf