Ireland agrees to plan on migrant resettlement

Geuze

Kivaro wrote: »

Does anyone here think that 35% of the population in this country want to take in more refugees ..... at the current rate of intake especially?

Refugees are welcome.

Bogus AS should be deported within 24 hrs of arrival.

cameramonkey

Yahir Stale Piranha wrote: »

Surprised RTE ran even this story, interesting enough all the same:
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0428/1135186-european-union/

A new opinion poll has found that only 84% of Irish people are in favour of remaining in the European Union, (down from a high of 93% at the height of the recent Brexit negotiations).

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Only 84%, hardly a commanding majority.

Blueshoe

Geuze wrote: »

Refugees are welcome.

Bogus AS should be deported within 24 hrs of arrival.

It's too expensive. Over a billion euro spent on a relatively small number of people.

SchrodingersCat

jmayo wrote: »

Once Achill was selected was there competition between all the hotels in Achill ?
Once Rooskey was selected where was the competition ?

Funny how most of these hotels have changed hands shortly before they were selected as new DP centres ?
Was it that previous owners would rather go out of business than dump a load of god knows what on the communities they had lived and worked in?

Tenders are selected on a per region basis. For example, in 2019 the Department of Justice and Equality put out a tender for the Mideast region. They were looking for multiple premises in Co Wicklow, Co Meath and Co Louth. Another tender was put out for Cavan, Donegal, Leitrim, Monaghan and Sligo. The west was covered in a tender for Galway, Mayo and Roscommon, and so on.

There is no evidence that tenders for single towns like Achill or Rooskey was issued for business to apply for. This is done to ensure that there is a wide enough area to ensure competition for the tenders. Since the contracts are awarded via competitive tender, companies can undercut others that attempt to turn massive profits and a worse service. The contracts were for a two to four year period. They are not a "guarantee taxpayer funded bet".

jmayo

jay0109 wrote: »

Great radio. I was listening live and you could almost feel the panic in Claire's voice when she cut off the Supermarket owner. She was all sympathetic to him at the start, praising him for being a voice for other shops owners/workers.
But when he mentioned 'foreigners', she practically told him to shut the f up and insinuated he was making it up!

Actually I was surprised he was so easily moved away from the topic where she basically insinuated he was lying.
She actually said they couldn't discuss it without facts.
Another more savvy person might have jumped back at her asking if she was calling him a liar.
That would really have put the cat among the pigeons.

SchrodingersCat wrote: »

Tenders are selected on a per region basis. For example, in 2019 the Department of Justice and Equality put out a tender for the Mideast region. They were looking for multiple premises in Co Wicklow, Co Meath and Co Louth. Another tender was put out for Cavan, Donegal, Leitrim, Monaghan and Sligo. The west was covered in a tender for Galway, Mayo and Roscommon, and so on.

There is no evidence that tenders for single towns like Achill or Rooskey was issued for business to apply for. This is done to ensure that there is a wide enough area to ensure competition for the tenders. Since the contracts are awarded via competitive tender, companies can undercut others that attempt to turn massive profits and a worse service. The contracts were for a two to four year period. They are not a "guarantee taxpayer funded bet".

So you seem to know a fair amount about all the tenders?
Are you in the industry yourself ?

BTW it is a lot more guaranteed bet than chancing your arm that you will get a decent summer in Achill and then get a few surfers and hill walkers staying.

The hotel in Ballaghadereen was going nowhere, because firstly who the feck wants to stay there and I don't know that many people who would want their wedding reception in Ballaghadereen.
So it was out of business until bus loads of asylum seekers/refugees were brought to it and it all paid for by the taxpayer.
That is guarantee occupancy, guarantee daily/weekly/monthly and as you said annual income for a couple of years.
Most hotelliers would normally bite your hand off for that kind of revenue stream even if it ws only for two years.
But then again most hotelliers probably don't fancy screwing up their local communities to do it.

enricoh

jay0109 wrote: »

Great radio. I was listening live and you could almost feel the panic in Claire's voice when she cut off the Supermarket owner. She was all sympathetic to him at the start, praising him for being a voice for other shops owners/workers.
But when he mentioned 'foreigners', she practically told him to shut the f up and insinuated he was making it up!

On her TV show later that night, Claire said they had received a lot of video diaries from front line health care workers outlining their day at work and stuff like that. She had time to only show one and it was from a Nigerian nurse who works in the HSE.

But as the new advertising campaign says, we need trustworthy and honest media outlets with no hidden agendas!

A few months ago some drunk ar$#hole racially abused a black taxi driver in Dublin. Rte news at 6 had it as its first story. They had it on again when the fella went to court.
This guy allegedly stabbed an Irish lad to death in broad daylight a few weeks ago, not gangland stuff, not junkies rowing over a deal, an ordinary Joe soap.
Yet not a mention of him getting charged on rte news, the journal obviously missed it too!
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/man-charged-with-murder-of-eoin-boylan-in-ennis-1.4230498?mode=amp.
No hidden agendas indeed.

Geuze

jay0109 wrote: »

On her TV show later that night, Claire said they had received a lot of video diaries from front line health care workers outlining their day at work and stuff like that. She had time to only show one and it was from a Nigerian nurse who works in the HSE.

But as the new advertising campaign says, we need trustworthy and honest media outlets with no hidden agendas!

I see this over and over, on RTE and in the IT.

Always pushing this "new Irish" theme.

Stories about DP over and over, but never stating the simple fact - the vast majority of AS are bogus.

To be fair, the IT sometimes run articles telling the truth, e.g. they did report that the Albanian/Georgian AS are all bogus.

AlekSmart

SchrodingersCat wrote: »

Tenders are selected on a per region basis. For example, in 2019 the Department of Justice and Equality put out a tender for the Mideast region. They were looking for multiple premises in Co Wicklow, Co Meath and Co Louth. Another tender was put out for Cavan, Donegal, Leitrim, Monaghan and Sligo. The west was covered in a tender for Galway, Mayo and Roscommon, and so on.

There is no evidence that tenders for single towns like Achill or Rooskey was issued for business to apply for. This is done to ensure that there is a wide enough area to ensure competition for the tenders. Since the contracts are awarded via competitive tender, companies can undercut others that attempt to turn massive profits and a worse service. The contracts were for a two to four year period. They are not a "guarantee taxpayer funded bet".

While I do bow to your greater knowledge of Tendering as a business function,I wonder if,perhaps,you may also place a bit more 'faith' in the tendering process than it merits?

Tendering,of any form is not totally foolproof,and much can be achieved by 'creative' wording or tactical elements of the physical process itself.

As a matter of curiousity,in this particular case,was the State bound to accept the Lowest (or any) Tender submitted ?

iebamm2580

enricoh wrote: »

A few months ago some drunk ar$#hole racially abused a black taxi driver in Dublin. Rte news at 6 had it as its first story. They had it on again when the fella went to court.
This guy allegedly stabbed an Irish lad to death in broad daylight a few weeks ago, not gangland stuff, not junkies rowing over a deal, an ordinary Joe soap.
Yet not a mention of him getting charged on rte news, the journal obviously missed it too!
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/man-charged-with-murder-of-eoin-boylan-in-ennis-1.4230498?mode=amp.
No hidden agendas indeed.

dont think anything about the Ghanaian asylums eekeers for raping the drunk woman in donegal either, actually only saw it on the Sunday world a few weeks back. Think 1 was meant to be deported before it happened and the other might be allowed stay after his sentence a he has 4 children here.

4068ac1elhodqr

Geuze wrote: »

Refugees are welcome.
Bogus AS should be deported within 24 hrs of arrival.

Agree, with many countries (Albania, Georgia, Nigeria) way up in the upper 90's percent rates of rejection (one at 99.97%! rejected), these should be viewed with some high levels of suspicion from the outset. Attempts at expensive and slow appeals (usually a default request) also be removed if a pattern of fraud is demonstrated.

This would allow assistance and resources for the (99% genuine) Syrian's instead, if resources are viable and available.

SchrodingersCat

jmayo wrote: »

So you seem to know a fair amount about all the tenders?
Are you in the industry yourself ?

BTW it is a lot more guaranteed bet than chancing your arm that you will get a decent summer in Achill and then get a few surfers and hill walkers staying.

The hotel in Ballaghadereen was going nowhere, because firstly who the feck wants to stay there and I don't know that many people who would want their wedding reception in Ballaghadereen.
So it was out of business until bus loads of asylum seekers/refugees were brought to it and it all paid for by the taxpayer.
That is guarantee occupancy, guarantee daily/weekly/monthly and as you said annual income for a couple of years.
Most hotelliers would normally bite your hand off for that kind of revenue stream even if it ws only for two years.
But then again most hotelliers probably don't fancy screwing up their local communities to do it.

I read up enough on government tenders to try and correct some of the mis-information that is posted in this thread. Hence why I needed to correct your statement claiming that the individual towns of Achill and Rosskey was selected as a DP location before a tender was offered to the hotels. This was not the case, as the tender was offered to all counties in the western region. Or when you posted that they were a "guarantee taxpayer funded bet". There is no guarantee that a business will win a contract for a DP center. Even when they do win it, it is only for two to four years until it is up for tender again. This is to push down profiteering by the businesses or bad services being offered. This is typical of government contracts.

jmayo

SchrodingersCat wrote: »

I read up enough on government tenders to try and correct some of the mis-information that is posted in this thread. Hence why I needed to correct your statement claiming that the individual towns of Achill and Rosskey was selected as a DP location before a tender was offered to the hotels. This was not the case, as the tender was offered to all counties in the western region. Or when you posted that they were a "guarantee taxpayer funded bet". There is no guarantee that a business will win a contract for a DP center. Even when they do win it, it is only for two to four years until it is up for tender again. This is to push down profiteering by the businesses or bad services being offered. This is typical of government contracts.

Ah come on.
Hotels bought in West of Ireland and hey presto couple of years later are granted DP centre.
One of those hotels as far as I know bought by party with interest in dublin DP centre?
See Fazyhard detail below.


Yes we know they didn't award contract to Achill island and then look for hotel, but there is limited pool of hotels available in the West even with downturns, celtic tiger follies, etc.

Maybe I am just old and cynical, but I find it funny how coincidental it is that hotel is snapped up by outside interest and then short time later there is tender in that region looking for DP centre sites.
And of course they are available to offer their establishment as the location for new DP centre.

This is Ireland where someone always always has an inside track.

If you believe otherwise I have a bridge that you might be interested in buying.

Oh and once they get the contract it is guaranteed revenue (taxpayer funded) for at least two years.
And looking at history of Irish DP centres that two years is the least amount of time.

Do you realise how many businesses can only dream of 2 to 4 years of guarantee revenue.


And hey presto it seems the new Cahirsiveen DP centre, the The Skellig Star Hotel formerly the Watermarque Hotel changed hands a few years back as well.

This is interesting about limitation of contracts.
11 years doesn't seem that limiting now does it.
And

At the start of October, residents were informed that the Clondalkin centre would close on 3 December as the company running the centre was not renewing its contract. However, a deal was later reached to keep the centre open until June.

The company, Fazyard Ltd, has been paid €27.5 million from the State over an 11-year period for operating the centre. It reapplied to run the centre in the recent tendering process and was successful. The company plans to increase the centre’s capacity from 225 to 250 people.

During the week it was also announced that three other centres – two in Co Kildare (Hazel Hotel in Monasterevin and the Eyre Powell in Newbridge) and one in Co Laois (the Montague Hotel in Emo) – are due to be granted two-year contract renewals once mobilisation works to deliver on the proposals have been commenced. A further one-year extension may be added to each contract.

Fazyard Ltd is also behind the proposal for the centre in Co Laois, which has a planned capacity of 202 residents.

Oscar Dawn Ltd is the bidder for the Hazel Hotel proposal, which has a planned capacity of 143 residents. Peachport Ltd is behind the Eyre Powell bid, which has a planned capacity of 125 residents.

The government has paid tens of millions of euros to private companies running Direct Provision centres around Ireland. It has also paid over €1.6 million to a private contractor to source emergency accommodation for asylum seekers since September 2018.

https://www.thejournal.ie/rural-direct-provision-centres-4543608-Mar2019/

And Fazyhard, owned primarily by a Sean Lyons, was the buyer of Oughterard's Connemara Gateway hotel.

Ah but sure there is no asylum industry and no one makes any money out of it.
Sure old Sean sets up hotels for DP centres out of the goodness of his heart. :rolleyes:


Anyone know that between 2002 and 2016 two DP contractors, Mosney Holidays received a total of €119.4 million and East Coast Catering received €115 million.

Oh and SchrodingersCat you make a big deal about tenders and contracts, but did you know that the Comptroller and Auditor General in his 2015/16 report stated that the tendering process was in breach of EU procurement rules ?

They stated that ....

The RIA ‘seeks “expressions of interest”, evaluates the responses and then agrees contract terms with selected providers’.

BTW it seems Mr Lyons also has interest in Oscar Dawn Ltd which also has links to the Montague Hotel DP centre in Laois.

God bless him he seems to be getting around.

alexv

jmayo wrote: »

What is really weird is how a party that were so anti foreigner have turned into one so welcoming of foreigners.
I guess anyone that isn't British is ok by them.




Well if you look at the places involved you would have realised that the creation of asylum centres was a lifeline for failed businesses.
Ballaghadereen hotel was a celtic construction creation entity that suddenly went from a failed unnecessary hotel in the ar**hole of nowhere to a guarantee long term source of income for it's owners.
The funny thing is if you look at it's history.
The hotel closed down in 2010 and remained derelict until 2015, when it was bought by a Cork consortium called Remcoll.
Then in 2017 it was selected as a asylum centre.

Rooksey was another failed closed hotel that suddenly went from a struggling business to a guarantee taxpayer funded bet.
Achill was a seasonal hotel that suddenly was going to full occupancy year round.
Oh and it had also been recently purchased by someone before it had been selected as asylum centre.

The Connemara Gateway Hotel in Oughterard had also changed hands as well as far as I know.
And I believe it was bought by someone connected to very large asylum centre in Dublin.

I don't know the history of the one in Moville, but what are the chances that they had changed hands before being selected as well?
Some people use the asylum accommodation provision as a guarantee income stream and doing quite well out of it. Claiming otherwise is ridiculous.

Media quickly lost interest in this "emergency" direct provision centre (another failed hotel) in the Minister for Justice's own constituency. Cramming them in, ten to a room, at elevated costs, without even consulting the councillors.

What qualifications do the owners have, to establish such a centre in a town already struggling with a rapidly growing population?

Charlie Flanagan don't care. He'll make every excuse in the book for them rather than investigate their many failings. Look the other way, and hope the great Irish public won't wake up to the outrageous venality.

A brazen but risky strategy.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/department-defends-decision-to-place-10-beds-in-hotel-room-1.4131213

SchrodingersCat

On one hand I am glad you have changed your original statement of the direct provision tender process from:

jmayo wrote: »

Once Achill was selected was there competition between all the hotels in Achill ?

to

jmayo wrote: »

Yes we know they didn't award contract to Achill island and then look for hotel

Similarly when you amended your statement that the tender process was

jmayo wrote: »

A guarantee taxpayer funded bet.

to

jmayo wrote: »

Once they get the contract it is guaranteed revenue (taxpayer funded) for at least two years.

On the other hand I am disappointed that you have resorted to posting speculative theories about why government tender process doesn't work. Again, what is being implied is that private companies are making massive profits here. However, no evidence of that has been given. What should be of interest is the profit margin, not the gross amount paid for the contracts. Since the contracts are awarded via competitive tender and the costs are inflated as you are implying, whats stopping other companies coming in and under cutting the massive profits that current companies are making and provide a better service?
Give us a sources of evidence, not theories or "I find it funny how coincidental" or "the whole thing stinks" or "there is a lot of shtye being pulled " and we will consider it. For example, give us a link to the Comptroller and Auditor General 2015/16 report that you mentioned.

Kivaro

Blueshoe wrote: »

It's too expensive. Over a billion euro spent on a relatively small number of people.

It is a great deal more than over a billion euro. That number only represents the DP end, and as mentioned on the article: the bill for the direct provision system is much higher than €1.3bn.

And then you have the legal costs of appeals and representation, other support services.

And then, after they are granted asylum, how long are they supported with free housing and welfare until they eventually start working and contributing to society. And what % of the 65,000 granted asylum are actually working now?

The Irish people should really be provided with a comprehensive cost breakdown on how much we have spent already on the whole process of asylum in this country.

jmayo

SchrodingersCat wrote: »

On one hand I am glad you have changed your original statement of the direct provision tender process from:

to

Similarly when you amended your statement that the tender process was

to

On the other hand I am disappointed that you have resorted to posting speculative theories about why government tender process doesn't work. Again, what is being implied is that private companies are making massive profits here. However, no evidence of that has been given. What should be of interest is the profit margin, not the gross amount paid for the contracts. Since the contracts are awarded via competitive tender and the costs are inflated as you are implying, whats stopping other companies coming in and under cutting the massive profits that current companies are making and provide a better service?
Give us a sources of evidence, not theories or "I find it funny how coincidental" or "the whole thing stinks" or "there is a lot of shtye being pulled " and we will consider it. For example, give us a link to the Comptroller and Auditor General 2015/16 report that you mentioned.

Typical nitpicking.
And typical shytology to demand a smoking gun or a signed piece of paper to highlight shoddy practices and insider stroke pulling before you will even countenance that any of it can be happening.

You usually find that people engaged in such insider stroke pulling rarely if ever keep documented notes on such activity.
And you fooking well know that.

Reminds me of the cr** bertie was pulling.

BTW you never answered if you are working in the industry that you are so vehemently defending. :rolleyes:


BTW here is relevant section from aforementioned report for you to read.

Procurement issues
6.28
It is a basic principle of public procurement that a competitive process is used. This is intended to ensure that goods and services acquired by public bodies are procured in an open, objective and transparent manner and in a way that achieves best value for money. Contracts above certain value thresholds must comply with EU procurement rules which also stipulate the use of a competitive process and, in particular, widespread advertising of the competition throughout the EU.
6.29
The procurement methods used differ between the engagement of contractors to provide services for State-owned centres, and the award of contracts for commercially owned and managed centres. Competitive processes were followed for service contracts for State-owned centres with the two current contracts in place both advertised on eTenders.1 The Department has stated that, in association with the Office of Government Procurement, it is currently involved in an EU wide competitive process for the provision of services for State-owned centres. 6.30
The Department does not use formal competitive processes, as set out in public procurement rules, for suppliers of commercial centres. It uses its website to seek ‘expressions of interest’. Advertisements were also placed in national newspapers.
The notice stated

• that the Department is drawing up a list of suppliers interested in providing accommodation and services
• the type of premises required includes “hotels, hostels, guesthouses, etc. which can accommodate upwards of fifty persons and which should be reasonably close to all services e.g. shops, schools, transport, etc.”
• that suppliers who expressed interest would be contacted if they were needed.

6.31
The Department did not provide evidence to show how it evaluated those who responded to the notice. However, the Department has indicated that it evaluated expressions of interest received based on the following criteria

• the minimum standard of accommodation as detailed in the Housing Act 1966
• a site visit which includes checks on toilet facilities, cooking facilities, recreation facilities, play rooms, outdoor play areas, and location of and proximity to services.

6.32
The Department then negotiates a price with selected providers and agrees a contract. Contracts are typically agreed for a one year period. 6.33
The Department has pointed out that the notice does not state that there is an on-going need for accommodation but that accommodation may be required. Neither does the notice seek the offer of specific property as that would be unreasonable because there may be no requirement for accommodation. It has pointed out that there were 27 responses to the most recent call for expressions of interest.
6.34
The Department considers that the procurement procedure used has been appropriate in the circumstances. It considers that its procurement method equates to the ‘negotiated procedure’ provided for in EU procurement rules. However, it has not complied with key requirements of the negotiated procedure, including publication of award criteria and award notices.
6.35
In a negotiated procedure, the contracting authority negotiates directly with suppliers to agree a contract. Under EU rules, negotiated procedures can only be used in limited circumstances, mainly where no tenders or no suitable tenders were submitted in response to a request for tenders

• there is only one supplier
• because of extreme urgency not attributable to the contracting authority and brought about by events unforeseeable by the contracting authority, and where there is insufficient time for an open competition or one of the other competitive procedures permitted.

6.36
The procurement of direct provision centres does not fall within these limited circumstances. A request for tender has never been issued, there are many potential suppliers and the Department has been procuring these services continuously over a 15 year period which by any reasonable interpretation gave sufficient time to hold an open competition. In relation to urgency, the Department has stated that because of the demand-led nature of direct provision, it is not economically efficient or feasible to retain a stock of unused accommodation in anticipation of an increase in demand.
6.37
The Department stated that it had detailed discussions with the Office of Government Procurement (OGP) during 2015. To date, no procurement methodology has been identified which would replace the current procedure. Taking account of the issues set out by the Department and OGP’s procurement expertise, it has not been possible to pursue the prospect of delivering a successful open tender.

https://www.audit.gov.ie/en/Find-Report/Publications/2016/2015-Annual-Report-Chapter-6-Procurement-and-Management-of-Contracts-for-Direct-Provision.pdf

jay0109

Alan Kelly speaking with Eamon Dunphy on The Stand today has called for the 27th Amendment to the Constitution to be scrapped i.e. he wants all children born on this island to become Irish citizens automatically.
He believes that the Irish people are not even aware this is not the case currently!

He referenced front line workers and their kids when making his argument. Very selective but to be expected.

Aodhan will no doubt approve

Patrick2010

Is it RTE policy to have a regular direct provision story on their news programmes?. Last night they had another feature from direct provision in Waterford about a lad who has spent 4 years in DP without ever asking how he was still in the country.

statesaver

jay0109 wrote: »

Alan Kelly speaking with Eamon Dunphy on The Stand today has called for the 27th Amendment to the Constitution to be scrapped i.e. he wants all children born on this island to become Irish citizens automatically.
He believes that the Irish people are not even aware this is not the case currently!

He referenced front line workers and their kids when making his argument. Very selective but to be expected.

Aodhan will no doubt approve

Around 80% voted in favour of that amendment so he must believe the electorate is stupid.

It's obvious what's happening. All the hard luck cases from people in DP and illegals with kids will get more and more and more TV news coverage which is intended to guilt the Irish people into another referendum on the 27th Amendment.
But first the Government will bring in ' hate speech ' laws so anyone against the referendum will be labelled racist and could lose their employment and even do some jail time. Don't think the UK and EU would be happy if they did manage to amend the 27th.

Kivaro

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Is it RTE policy to have a regular direct provision story on their news programmes?. Last night they had another feature from direct provision in Waterford about a lad who has spent 4 years in DP without ever asking how he was still in the country.

Yep. I mentioned previously that they have at least 2 big stories on asylum seekers and direct provision centres every week.
Yesterday morning on the 7 am RTE1 Radio news, Direct Provisions was the number 2 item on that bulletin. They (as in RTE) were reporting that each asylum seeker should have separate accommodation in Ireland.
Want to know what the 3rd item on the bulletin was?
The previous day's death toll of Irish people from Covid-19.

This morning, RTE were pushing the social housing agenda as their main topic.
If RTE's liberal propaganda piece of the day is not about asylum seekers, then it's about social housing (aka free forever homes). If it's not about social housing, then it's about Travellers.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is one of the main reasons why RTE are despised by so many people in Ireland.

eagle eye

I think.when we count the cost of this pandemic we should close all these DP centres and send all these people back to where they came from and then use that money to help service the debt we've incurred.
It's ok to help those in need when we are in a healthy financial condition but not when we're on our knees which most Irish people will be for at least the next five years.

McHardcore

eagle eye wrote: »

I think.when we count the cost of this pandemic we should close all these DP centres and send all these people back to where they came from and then use that money to help service the debt we've incurred.
It's ok to help those in need when we are in a healthy financial condition but not when we're on our knees which most Irish people will be for at least the next five years.

Somehow I reckon that you were not ok to help those in need in DP centers before the pandemic either.

McHardcore

jmayo wrote: »

Typical nitpicking.
And typical shytology to demand a smoking gun or a signed piece of paper to highlight shoddy practices and insider stroke pulling before you will even countenance that any of it can be happening.

You usually find that people engaged in such insider stroke pulling rarely if ever keep documented notes on such activity.
And you fooking well know that.

Reminds me of the cr** bertie was pulling.

BTW you never answered if you are working in the industry that you are so vehemently defending. :rolleyes:


BTW here is relevant section from aforementioned report for you to read.




https://www.audit.gov.ie/en/Find-Report/Publications/2016/2015-Annual-Report-Chapter-6-Procurement-and-Management-of-Contracts-for-Direct-Provision.pdf

The tender system you are complaining about wasn't used in five years. They use the EU recommended system instead.

_Kaiser_

McHardcore wrote: »

Somehow I reckon that you were not ok to help those in need in DP centers before the pandemic either.

I'll say it - nope, I wasn't.

Genuine refugees on a short-medium term basis who return to their homelands when it's safe to do so, or who then apply via the long-established methods for legal residency.... Absolutely.

Economic or welfare chancers, people whose stories or identity can't be verified, or those who engage in criminal or antisocial behaviour.... Back where you came from!

In all cases, claims should be reviewed and decided upon within weeks, with ONE option to appeal. If that fails.... Back where you came from.

Also.. Nonsense like giving people citizenship "just coz" after a few years needs to stop too. Needs to be a more valid reason than having served their time in a DP centre

Mr. Karate

jay0109 wrote: »

Alan Kelly speaking with Eamon Dunphy on The Stand today has called for the 27th Amendment to the Constitution to be scrapped i.e. he wants all children born on this island to become Irish citizens automatically.
He believes that the Irish people are not even aware this is not the case currently!

He referenced front line workers and their kids when making his argument. Very selective but to be expected.

Aodhan will no doubt approve

How would the Irish NOT be aware of it. They voted on it back in 04 or 05.

DelaneyIn

The number of applications for international protection, or asylum, in Ireland decreased significantly in the first two months of the year as applications from Georgians and Albanians dropped.

In January and February a total of 552 migrants from a large number of countries claimed international protection in the Republic, down 27 per cent on the first two months of last year and a reversal of increasing numbers since 2015.

Justice sources said they were hopeful a drop in the numbers would be sustained and would decrease pressure on the direct provision system, which has become crowded. Conditions in direct provision have been strongly criticised by human rights campaigners.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/applications-for-asylum-in-ireland-decrease-significantly-1.4249956?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Ebun Joseph and Ronit Lentin must be scaring everybody off with their depiction of the place as Nazi Germany's evil twin!

suicide_circus

Kivaro wrote: »

If RTE's liberal propaganda piece of the day is not about asylum seekers, then it's about social housing (aka free forever homes). If it's not about social housing, then it's about Travellers.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is one of the main reasons why RTE are despised by so many people in Ireland.

their ham fisted, cack handed, not so subtle pursuit of their pet hobby horses is exhausting.

Dear RTE, we're not buying what you're selling.

BarnardsLoop

Reading threads like this is always such a fascinating insight into just how out of touch this forum is with Irish society. You'd think every person in the country was on an IV of American right-wing Youtubers, the way you lot carry on.

RTE news having segments on direct provision is why people don't like it? Christ, the desperate attempts to cram such obviously American talking points into our society is nothing short of laughable.

Here's some free advice: get off the computers and phones, go out, talk to some real people. We don't ****e on about 'virtue signalling' and ****e like that.

Mr. Karate

eagle eye wrote: »

I think.when we count the cost of this pandemic we should close all these DP centres and send all these people back to where they came from and then use that money to help service the debt we've incurred.
It's ok to help those in need when we are in a healthy financial condition but not when we're on our knees which most Irish people will be for at least the next five years.

We need a Govt officials with backbone first. Not the "Oh No. They called me a racist, a xenophobe and an islamaphobe. I guess I have to let them stay now to prove I'm not" cowards [who are more than likely making off this] we're stuck with.

Geuze

DelaneyIn wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/applications-for-asylum-in-ireland-decrease-significantly-1.4249956?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Ebun Joseph and Ronit Lentin must be scaring everybody off with their depiction of the place as Nazi Germany's evil twin!

It's good to see the Irish Times report on one tiny positive side effect of the coronavirus - a dramatic drop in illegal immigration by bogus asylum-seekers.