British version of Trump becomes PM

nacho libre

Calhoun wrote: »

What is funny right now is under any other time Boris wouldn't get away with it but with labor and Corbyn it looks like he could get back in even getting away with all the bluff.

Yes , i think even with the gormless Miliband at the helm Labour would likely be in power by now. Corbyn is proving to be the Tories best assset at the moment.

Enter name here

Interesting facts to be considered for those who believe in the EU and how it will be a huge economic disaster for Britain.

The approx figures from the latest census results.

EU: Total population approx 508 million with 27 member states after the UK leaves

British Commonwealth: Total population approx 2.3 Billion with 53 nations.

Now for those who say the UK is headed for disaster really? seems figures alone excluding the rest of the world the UK has access to a much much larger audience and trading partners than the EU could ever imagine.

And under the commonwealth banner countries get to run and administer themselves imagine that?

But don't let figures alone get in the way of a good argument.

blinding

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Anti democrats doing what exactly? Voting in the UK’s sovereign parliament?

The referendum wasn’t for no deal, in fact the norway option was mentioned, and given the options if stay, no deal or a deal, no deal not the preferred option.

To be though, time is up. Kick them out.

They voted to leave the Eu i.e. Not stay in the Eu .

The Anti-Democrats are using every conceivable ruse to subvert The peoples Democracy .

Very worrying that Anti-Democrats are Eu-Philes . Its as if the Eu is more important than Democracy to them:eek:

Calhoun

nacho libre wrote: »

Yes , i think even with the gormless Miliband at the helm Labour would likely be in power by now. Corbyn is proving to be the Tories best assset at the moment.

He has just in the past two weeks officially distanced himself from anti-Semitism.

Beggars belief.

Professor Moriarty

Enter name here wrote: »

Interesting facts to be considered for those who believe in the EU and how it will be a huge economic disaster for Britain.

The approx figures from the latest census results.

EU: Total population approx 508 million with 27 member states after the UK leaves

British Commonwealth: Total population approx 2.3 Billion with 53 nations.

Now for those who say the UK is headed for disaster really? seems figures alone excluding the rest of the world the UK has access to a much much larger audience and trading partners than the EU could ever imagine.

And under the commonwealth banner countries get to run and administer themselves imagine that?

But don't let figures alone get in the way of a good argument.

So the EU = the Commonwealth. Okay, got that.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Enter name here wrote: »

Interesting facts to be considered for those who believe in the EU and how it will be a huge economic disaster for Britain.

The approx figures from the latest census results.

EU: Total population approx 508 million with 27 member states after the UK leaves

British Commonwealth: Total population approx 2.3 Billion with 53 nations.

Now for those who say the UK is headed for disaster really? seems figures alone excluding the rest of the world the UK has access to a much much larger audience and trading partners than the EU could ever imagine.

And under the commonwealth banner countries get to run and administer themselves imagine that?

But don't let figures alone get in the way of a good argument.

Don’t let facts sully your argument. The commonwealth is not a trade organisation. It doesn’t negotiate as a unit, and absent India, the U.K. and a few other countries it’s gdp is tiny.

https://www.theglobalist.com/uk-european-union-brexit-commonwealth-trade-india/

Professor Moriarty

blinding wrote: »

They voted to leave the Eu i.e. Not stay in the Eu .

The Anti-Democrats are using every conceivable ruse to subvert The peoples Democracy .

Very worrying that Anti-Democrats are Eu-Philes . Its as if the Eu is more important than Democracy to them:eek:

Yes, why are those damn undemocratic Tories keeping Britain in the EU?

Calhoun

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So the EU = the Commonwealth. Okay, got that.

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Don’t let facts sully your argument. The commonwealth is not a trade organisation.

Commonwealth of conquered nations, let's just forget it's bloody past and what it really means and ignore the warning of it.

However the organization set up to stabilize and bring peace to Europe is actually the all conquering empire .

blinding

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Yes, why are those damn undemocratic Tories keeping Britain in the EU?

Obviously the Anti-Democratic Politicians yearn to be apparatchiks of the Eu Empire:eek:

Professor Moriarty

Calhoun wrote: »

Commonwealth of conquered nations, let's just forget it's bloody past and what it really means and ignore the warning of it.

However the organization set up to stabilize and bring peace to Europe is actually the all conquering empire .

So the EU is behaving like a conquering empire? Seriously? Which "conquering empire" would you compare it to?

Calhoun

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So the EU is behaving like a conquering empire? Seriously? Which "conquering empire" would you compare it to?

I either wrote that wrong or you have read it wrong but I was being sarcastic.

Professor Moriarty

blinding wrote: »

Obviously the Anti-Democratic Politicians yearn to be apparatchiks of the Eu Empire:eek:

Oh right. The Tories are secret agents of the EU?

blinding

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Oh right. The Tories are secret agents of the EU?

Some of them are Anti-Democrats and Eu-Philes .

Why would you be an Anti-Democrat in your own Country and an Eu-Phile .

The Democratic thing to do is to respect the Democratic Decision of the People .

Professor Moriarty

blinding wrote: »

Some of them are Anti-Democrats and Eu-Philes .

Why would you be an Anti-Democrat in your own Country and an Eu-Phile .

The Democratic thing to do is to respect the Democratic Decision of the People .

But Johnson, Raab, Patel & Co. can do that tomorrow. But they won't. Why won't they? Are they "EU-Philes"? This is terrible news for British democracy if Johnson, Raab and Patel are "EU-Philes". When did you learn of this?

Dammo

Is democracy the word of the week in readers digest?

blinding

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

But Johnson, Raab, Patel & Co. can do that tomorrow. But they won't. Why won't they? Are they "EU-Philes"? This is terrible news for British democracy if Johnson, Raab and Patel are "EU-Philes". When did you learn of this?

The default position is that Britain will leave the eu on the 31st of October .

Obviously it should have left on the 31st of March but Theresa May preferred to surrender to the Eu rather than Respect the Democratic decision of her own People:eek:

May surrendered to the Eu = Out of her Job .

Cameron surrendered to the Eu = Out of his job .

Message to Boris = do not surrender to the Eu if you want to keep your job . Democracy in your own Country is way more important than the Eu:D

blinding

Dammo wrote: »

Is democracy the word of the week in readers digest?

Look at Hong Kong now and Cherish your Democracy .

A Country's Democracy is way more important than the Eu:D

Professor Moriarty

blinding wrote: »

The default position is that Britain will leave the eu on the 31st of October .

Obviously it should have left on the 31st of March but Theresa May preferred to surrender to the Eu rather than Respect the Democratic decision of her own People:eek:

May surrendered to the Eu = Out of her Job .

Cameron surrendered to the Eu = Out of his job .

Message to Boris = do not surrender to the Eu if you want to keep your job . Democracy in your own Country is way more important than the Eu:D

Okay. So it is the undemocratic trio of May, Cameron and Johnson's fault that Britain is still in the EU. Not the EU's fault. Agreed.

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blinding wrote: »

They voted to leave the Eu i.e. Not stay in the Eu .

The Anti-Democrats are using every conceivable ruse to subvert The peoples Democracy .

Very worrying that Anti-Democrats are Eu-Philes . Its as if the Eu is more important than Democracy to them:eek:

They could do the completely democratic move of putting the no deal or withdrawal agreement to a referendum of the people now that those look like the options.

Or if they are adament that the Withdrawal Agreement is dead then give the people the option of no deal or remain in the EU.

3 years is a long time. That's a generation of people who were 15,16,17 now able to vote for something that affects them and 3 years worth of voters since deceased.

The reality and nature of leaving is now clear. So anybody spouting democracy should support a referendum for the people to decide

Dammo

blinding wrote: »

Look at Hong Kong now and Cherish your Democracy .

A Country's Democracy is way more important than the Eu:D

I don’t need you or anybody else telling me every five minutes to appreciate it though. Change the record.

ChikiChiki

blinding wrote: »

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Not liking the rhetoric of the past few days. Things are heating up and beginning to feel very vulnerable looking at emerging Anti-Irish sentiment. Something I didn't feel with May as PM.

Anti British Democracy from Irish Politicians isn’t going to help . Where are Leo’s minders ?

Historically speaking the British have been pure bastards to this island. And that is being kind.

blinding

Dammo wrote: »

I don’t need you or anybody else telling me every five minutes to appreciate it though. Change the record.

Its not compulsory for you to listen to the record

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Dammo wrote: »

Is democracy the word of the week in readers digest?

The Beano, perhaps.

steddyeddy

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i seriously doubt that, in fact, id be fairly confident in saying, we d all be very much worse off

Yep and I think the UK will find that Germany, France and now Ireland will have a lot more power over them now that they'll be leaving the EU than inside it.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Okay. So it is the undemocratic trio of May, Cameron and Johnson's fault that Britain is still in the EU. Not the EU's fault. Agreed.

It’s their fault and more importantly in a way that makes no sense the fault of Leo and the EU. If you don’t believe this you are an anti democratic europhile.

LOOK AT KING KONG HE HATED DEMOCRACY.

Odhinn

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

It’s their fault and more importantly in a way that makes no sense the fault of Leo and the EU. If you don’t believe this you are an anti democratic europhile.

LOOK AT KING KONG HE HATED DEMOCRACY.

Leave poor aul kong alone.

Kidchameleon

The EU is like Skull Island

Donald Trump

blinding wrote: »

The Eu and Ireland have not exactly respected British democracy over the last 3 years .

That's awful shite. Do you mean because the EU granted the UK government request for an extension when Theresa May rushed to Brussels to beg for one?
There is nobody stopping the UK from leaving. UK can go if they want to. That doesn't mean they get to strip all the furniture and out of the place to bring with them, nor does it mean that they can come back and use the facilities at their own whim whenever they want.



Or do you think it is just anti-democratic because the Brits say "we want something" and the EU doesn't just hand it to them? Same as how those anti-democratic Indians eventually stopped acceding to British predilections for plundering their resources? Or those anti-democratic Irish wouldn't allow the British to continue their exploitation of Ireland? I mean those must be anti-democratic if it was against what the Brits decided they wanted to have.


Am I doing it right?

Faugheen

People need to stop replying to blinding now. He’s not interested in facts and it’s annoying seeing anti-democracy in every second post.

blinding

Faugheen wrote: »

People need to stop replying to blinding now. He’s not interested in facts and it’s annoying seeing anti-democracy in every second post.

Your very touchy on Democracy and Eu-Philia :eek:

Look at Moscow yesterday and Hong Kong . The lessons are ; Do not play fast and loose with democracy . It is to be cherished .

Faugheen

blinding wrote: »

Your very touchy on Democracy and Eu-Philia :eek:

Look at Moscow yesterday and Hong Kong . The lessons are ; Do not play fast and loose with democracy . It is to be cherished .

Not at all, you just refuse to answer questions and say the same thing every post.

The best thing about democracy is that people can change their minds, especially when more facts are brought to the table.

Kidchameleon

This who thread stinks of the usual EU attitude to democracy, "we dont like the result so do it again".


The British have decided to leave, they are going to leave, they will be fine when they leave, deal with it.

Faugheen

Kidchameleon wrote: »

This who thread stinks of the usual EU attitude to democracy, "we dont like the result so do it again".


The British have decided to leave, they are going to leave, they will be fine when they leave, deal with it.

And literally nobody is stopping them. If they want to leave so badly, then f*ck off and leave.

You have zero proof they’ll be fine either. What are they going to do with 46% of their exports and 54% of their imports if they leave the single market?

Professor Moriarty

Faugheen wrote: »

And literally nobody is stopping them. If they want to leave so badly, then f*ck off and leave.

You have zero proof they’ll be fine either. What are they going to do with 46% of their exports and 54% of their imports if they leave the single market?

Cull the remoaners.

Kidchameleon

Faugheen wrote: »

And literally nobody is stopping them. If they want to leave so badly, then f*ck off and leave.

They are leaving at the end of October. Thats just 3 months now.

Faugheen wrote: »

You have zero proof they’ll be fine either.

No country has any proof they will be fine, not even the EU itself can say that. We just know they probably will be.

Faugheen wrote: »

What are they going to do with 46% of their exports and 54% of their imports if they leave the single market?

The same thing as any other independent country does.

kowloon

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Historically speaking the British have been pure bastards to this island. And that is being kind.

Reminds me of this:

Sofiztikated

I don't like that "Luck of the Irish" lark anyway.

Basically means that we are so inept, that anything successful we do is by sheer luck, than by design.

JohnMc1

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I don't like that "Luck of the Irish" lark anyway.

Basically means that we are so inept, that anything successful we do is by sheer luck, than by design.

Have you seen the recent Irish Govts? inept is being kind.

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Kidchameleon wrote: »

This who thread stinks of the usual EU attitude to democracy, "we dont like the result so do it again".


The British have decided to leave, they are going to leave, they will be fine when they leave, deal with it.

The British also voted to join in 1975 overwhelmingly via referendum

Why are they asked to vote again on membership in 2016?

Answer: because of different information and different electorate than there was in 1975. Same as with 2019. So let them vote again.

Article 50 should have lapsed after the defined 2 year period not extended. They asked to leave under the terms, they didn’t leave the terms so let lapse the decision and make them invoke it again, which should be a public vote

Donald Trump

kowloon wrote: »

Reminds me of this:

I had thought that the term "Luck of the Irish" was a derogatory slur from US. If an Irish person, and therefore low intelligence, lazy and Papist, had the temerity to succeed in the New World then it was obviously just because he had had some luck. Not that he worked hard or actually had some sense.

I thought it would have postdated Swift. Obviously not though!

Donald Trump

Kidchameleon wrote: »

This who thread stinks of the usual EU attitude to democracy, "we dont like the result so do it again".


The British have decided to leave, they are going to leave, they will be fine when they leave, deal with it.

They decided to leave in March. Door was open for them. Why are they still around?


EU hasn't threatened them with anything. Only thing it has done is said "ah here, hold on there now a minute lads. Cop yourselves on. If you are leaving, then you can't have all the benefits of those that stay and you're going to have to be closer to the fellas that are currently outside". Not like the democratic British Empire that sent soldiers and weapons to it's former colonies whenever there were murmurings of them wanting to rule themselves. Which is especially ironic given that the UK has huge power, voting right and influence within the EU.





UK should just fuck off and get on with it at this stage. Come October we might see another rush to Brussels and grovelling for another extension, followed by cries in November of the EU being anti-democratic for allowing it to them (if it is allowed). You couldn't make it up!

Kidchameleon

8-10 wrote: »

The British also voted to join in 1975 overwhelmingly via referendum

Why are they asked to vote again on membership in 2016?

Answer: because of different information and different electorate than there was in 1975. Same as with 2019. So let them vote again.

Article 50 should have lapsed after the defined 2 year period not extended. They asked to leave under the terms, they didn’t leave the terms so let lapse the decision and make them invoke it again, which should be a public vote

No need for a second vote (typical EU anti democratic attitude*). They were asked if they wanted to leave the EU or remain. They chose to leave. It couldnt have been any clearer.

*I think this is the reason for many people wanting to leave. The second Lisbon vote turned me against the EU.

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Kidchameleon wrote: »

No need for a second vote (typical EU anti democratic attitude*). They were asked if they wanted to leave the EU or remain. They chose to leave. It couldnt have been any clearer.

*I think this is the reason for many people wanting to leave. The second Lisbon vote turned me against the EU.

Without a second Lisbon vote there’d have been no Article 50 mechanism anyway so it’s hard to see how the UK referendum would have happened.

Voting more, especially when concessions/changes have been made in between, isn’t anti democratic.

I don’t see how putting “withdrawal agreement” or “no deal” to a public vote would be anti democratic for instance? Why debate it in parliament over and over with this stalemate if those are the 2 options? Just vote for it.

Or if withdrawal agreement that was agreed is completely out of the question for the UK government then the only options are “no deal” or “revoke Article 50”

Again the democratic thing to do is put it to the public.

This shouldn’t be so hard. There’s a referendum result from 2016 saying Leave. There’s an agreement deal with the EU on terms of leaving, or there’s WTO rules. The politicians clearly can’t agree through multiple votes so they should have a fallback mechanism that if the house can’t decide then it goes back to the public to direct them. The mandate from the initial referendum wasn’t clear enough or they’d have left in March like they said they would.

Deal or No Deal. Vote on it and get out

Twenty Grand

Kidchameleon wrote: »

No need for a second vote (typical EU anti democratic attitude*). They were asked if they wanted to leave the EU or remain. They chose to leave. It couldnt have been any clearer.

*I think this is the reason for many people wanting to leave. The second Lisbon vote turned me against the EU.

And here's a list of the promises that were made to the electorate.
https://infacts.org/cut-keep-list-top-19-brexiteer-promises/

Is there one that hasn't been broken?

Beechwoodspark

It’s patently obv what their strategy is now

Ramp up no deal talk

Hope Eu do a deal but if not

Election

Boris gets overall majority

Some dogs dinner of a Deal is done and rammed through commons

blinding

Twenty Grand wrote: »

And here's a list of the promises that were made to the electorate.
https://infacts.org/cut-keep-list-top-19-brexiteer-promises/

Is there one that hasn't been broken?

The Re-Mainers were an awful shower .

Sure didn’t Cameron say that if he didn’t get a good deal out of the Eu he would Vote leave and campaign for leave .

He got nada and then still went for Re-Main:eek: What a Plonker Rodney !:eek:

Kidchameleon

8-10 wrote: »

Without a second Lisbon vote there’d have been no Article 50 mechanism anyway so it’s hard to see how the UK referendum would have happened.

Are you saying that countries that may have wanted to leave before Lisbon would have been prevented from doing so? Lisbon just set in stone the provisions by which a country may leave. Seeing as it never happened before Lisbon, it is difficult to know how a leaver may have been treated but I am sure the EU being the great bunch of lads they are would have handled it fairly.

8-10 wrote: »

Again the democratic thing to do is put it to the public.

No the democratic thing to do would be to respect the clear decision of the people:



Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

* Remain a member of the European Union
* Leave the European Union


How could it be any simpler? All this crap that Teresa May et al took part in over the last three years is the same kind of scaremongering that went on here between Lisbon 1 and Lisbon 2.


Get over it, the Brits are leaving in October.

8-10

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Are you saying that countries that may have wanted to leave before Lisbon would have been prevented from doing so? Lisbon just set in stone the provisions by which a country may leave. Seeing as it never happened before Lisbon, it is difficult to know how a leaver may have been treated but I am sure the EU being the great bunch of lads they are would have handled it fairly.





No the democratic thing to do would be to respect the clear decision of the people:



Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

* Remain a member of the European Union
* Leave the European Union


How could it be any simpler? All this crap that Teresa May et al took part in over the last three years is the same kind of scaremongering that went on here between Lisbon 1 and Lisbon 2.


Get over it, the Brits are leaving in October.

I'm saying if it was simple they would have left in March. They can't get it done.

If they can't decide then put it to the people. Shouldnt have had to wait until October if it's as clear at you say.

blinding

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Are you saying that countries that may have wanted to leave before Lisbon would have been prevented from doing so? Lisbon just set in stone the provisions by which a country may leave. Seeing as it never happened before Lisbon, it is difficult to know how a leaver may have been treated but I am sure the EU being the great bunch of lads they are would have handled it fairly.





No the democratic thing to do would be to respect the clear decision of the people:



Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

* Remain a member of the European Union
* Leave the European Union


How could it be any simpler? All this crap that Teresa May et al took part in over the last three years is the same kind of scaremongering that went on here between Lisbon 1 and Lisbon 2.


Get over it, the Brits are leaving in October.

Their Democracy is way more important than the Eu .

As time goes by other Countries will also see that their Democracy is way more important than the Eu .

Democracy Rocks Baby . Just look at Hong Kong and Russia . Don’t take the chance of playing fast and loose with Democracy .

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blinding wrote: »

Their Democracy is way more important than the Eu .

As time goes by other Countries will also see that their Democracy is way more important than the Eu .

Democracy Rocks Baby . Just look at Hong Kong and Russia . Don’t take the chance of playing fast and loose with Democracy .

Given your capitalisation I can only assume this Democracy is somebody's name?