British version of Trump becomes PM

Stevieluvsye

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Nah, you were just so vague as to be pointless.

Are you being serious?

How the fcuk am I supposed to read the future?

He’ll look for minor changes as he is aware of the position of our buddy’s in Europe. It will be small minor detail in some key issues and make it look like a win win for all.

He’ll have his cabinet tow the line as they’ll know their main priority after brexit is to get a majority after next general election which will be called very soon after brexit is delivered

steddyeddy

And BJ enters No.10 and starts by rowing with Jeremy Hunt over his role in the new cabinet.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-live-speech-cabinet-brexit-prime-minister-pmqs-theresa-may-a9018191.html

steddyeddy

It gets better. Head of THE Leave UK campaign, Dominic Cummings is bein made an adviser to BJ. This is a guy that was found to be in contempt of parliament regarding "foreign influence" and manipulation of votes.

Dominic Cummings is set to be appointed an adviser to Boris Johnson, despite being found in contempt of parliament over an inquiry into “foreign influence and voter manipulation” in the Brexit vote.

The new prime minister is expected to take the hugely controversial step of inviting the head of the Vote Leave campaign – and the brains behind the notorious “£350m-a-week for the NHS” claim – into No 10.

The move was immediately condemned by Sarah Wollaston, a former Conservative, now Independent, MP as “shameful”.

Stevieluvsye

steddyeddy wrote: »

It gets better. Head of THE Leave UK campaign, Dominic Cummings is bein made an adviser to BJ. This is a guy that was found to be in contempt of parliament regarding "foreign influence" and manipulation of votes.

FFS

Looking forward to seeing his cabinet so.

Duane Dibbley

May looks 10 years younger in PMQ

IAMAMORON

Duane Dibbley wrote: »

May looks 10 years younger in PMQ

I would say it accelerates ageing by about 50%.

ancapailldorcha

Some great cartoons though:





I'd say Parliament will just take control and send him off for yet another extension.

steddyeddy

Hammond resigns from government.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2019/jul/24/boris-johnson-prepares-to-enter-downing-st-and-name-cabinet-theresa-may-prime-minister-live-news

ancapailldorcha

steddyeddy wrote: »

Hammond resigns from government.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2019/jul/24/boris-johnson-prepares-to-enter-downing-st-and-name-cabinet-theresa-may-prime-minister-live-news

Fair play to him for following through. Hopefully the whole putrid mess collapses.

Stevieluvsye

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Fair play to him for following through. Hopefully the whole putrid mess collapses.

He was getting the boot anyway

Stevieluvsye

Slightly off topic but there is something weirdly attractive about Jo Swinson. Looked rather dashing today

dudara

Duane Dibbley wrote: »

May looks 10 years younger in PMQ

You see it many times. Barrack Obama aged a good bit during his 8 years as President. Some of it was natural aging, but the stress of the job undoubtedly adds to it. I’ve seen senior business leaders retire from their role and immediately gain 10 years back.

Whatever I think about May’s effectiveness, there’s no doubt that she’s carried a lot of stress over the last few years, and she’s better off out of it. It’s Boris’ cross to carry now.

nthclare

dudara wrote: »

You see it many times. Barrack Obama aged a good bit during his 8 years as President. Some of it was natural aging, but the stress of the job undoubtedly adds to it. I’ve seen senior business leaders retire from their role and immediately gain 10 years back.

Whatever I think about May’s effectiveness, there’s no doubt that she’s carried a lot of stress over the last few years, and she’s better off out of it. It’s Boris’ cross to carry now.

Borris is certainly in confusion at the crossroads, that's for sure.

steddyeddy

dudara wrote: »

You see it many times. Barrack Obama aged a good bit during his 8 years as President. Some of it was natural aging, but the stress of the job undoubtedly adds to it. I’ve seen senior business leaders retire from their role and immediately gain 10 years back.

Whatever I think about May’s effectiveness, there’s no doubt that she’s carried a lot of stress over the last few years, and she’s better off out of it. It’s Boris’ cross to carry now.

It's frankly amazing how she dealt with the stress of the job. I like to think Boris will experience some of the stress he brought on other people because of Brexit.

Calhoun

I would say we are heading for a hard Brexit now, the funny thing is i would say Boris would really like a soft Brexit but with a few decent concessions to make him look good.

A hard brexit and its economic impact will burn the British people badly and i would say you will see companies ramping up and pulling out as the EU starts putting charges on them.

The Rape of Lucretia

Great times, and a big upswing in prominence and respectability, for afficionados of making model busses out of old boxes by painting faces on them. Long very much a niche hobby, I think Boris will give it the boost in prestige it has long thought its due. Join a local club now and be part of this engrossing and relaxing passtime.

Berserker

Calhoun wrote: »

I would say we are heading for a hard Brexit now, the funny thing is i would say Boris would really like a soft Brexit but with a few decent concessions to make him look good.

Given the guarantee that Boris gave of an October exit, it's hard to see anything but a no deal exit. He's going to stick to that date and the EU are going to look very weak if the decide to change their stance. I'm in little doubt that Boris would prefer to exit with a deal but I just don't think its possible.

Enter name here

Calhoun wrote: »

I would say we are heading for a hard Brexit now, the funny thing is i would say Boris would really like a soft Brexit but with a few decent concessions to make him look good.

A hard brexit and its economic impact will burn the British people badly and i would say you will see companies ramping up and pulling out as the EU starts putting charges on them.

The 5th largest economy in the world leaves the EU and you think the other countries of the EU are just going to say goodbye to that export market?
All the scare mongering is just more of the leftist tripe being wheeled out across the globe to stop the rise of populist governments clawing back power from the looney left. The UK will have access to markets only the EU countries could dream of after brexit, and the collapse of the EU experiment will start after that.

Twenty Grand

Enter name here wrote: »

The UK will have access to markets only the EU countries could dream of after brexit, and the collapse of the EU experiment will start after that.

Where?
When?
How?

This is all news to us.

pjohnson

Enter name here wrote: »

The 5th largest economy in the world leaves the EU and you think the other countries of the EU are just going to say goodbye to that export market?
All the scare mongering is just more of the leftist tripe being wheeled out across the globe to stop the rise of populist governments clawing back power from the looney left. The UK will have access to markets only the EU countries could dream of after brexit, and the collapse of the EU experiment will start after that.

I wonder why did Rees Mogg set up a new firm in Dublin for his business if Brexit is so great for the British economy?

fqollere

Calhoun wrote: »

I would say we are heading for a hard Brexit now, the funny thing is i would say Boris would really like a soft Brexit but with a few decent concessions to make him look good.

A hard brexit and its economic impact will burn the British people badly and i would say you will see companies ramping up and pulling out as the EU starts putting charges on them.

Companies would be making big changes before a hard brexit imo


Might even end up with a second referendum on the back of an impending hard brexit and
public mood swing.

Twenty Grand

fqollere wrote: »

Companies would be making big changes before a hard brexit imo


Might even end up with a second referendum on the back of an impending hard brexit and
public mood swing.

Hard to make changes when you don't know what the f"ck is happening.
There's about 250,000 jobs lost so far that are directly linked to Brexit conditions. Granted there's still full employment, but you'd wonder what's going to happen in a post Brexit Britain.

Stevieluvsye

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Hard to make changes when you don't know what the f"ck is happening.
There's about 250,000 jobs lost so far that are directly linked to Brexit conditions. Granted there's still full employment, but you'd wonder what's going to happen in a post Brexit Britain.

Link please on the number of jobs lost attributed to brexit please

Twenty Grand

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Link please on the number of jobs lost attributed to brexit please

There's a facebook page tabulating every job loss story. Up to 243,000 as of this week.
https://www.facebook.com/BrexitWrecksIt/

I quite like the page. We only hear of the big players pulling out of the UK (Like Nissan today), never of the small businesses who are suffering just as badly.

IMPORTANT NOTES ON METHODOLOGY:
================================

Job losses are attributed to Brexit if they meet one or more of the following conditions:

1. The employer's business has been significantly affected by sterling's devaluation, either immediately through rises in the cost of imported inputs or later by inflation passed on by those who were so affected.

2. Government austerity cuts are attributed to Brexit since Britain voted to remain the EU, austerity would have been lifted instead of deepened.

3. Barring other obvious explanations businesses that were doing okay but experienced a significant slowdown after the Brexit vote are deemed to have been impacted by Brexit.

4. Businesses and other enterprises (e.g. EU regulatory authorities) that will be impacted by the imposition of trading or regulatory barriers (including the potential imposition of tariffs).

5. All jobs moved abroad are considered Brexit-related even if offshored outside the EU, since Brexit makes Britain a "third country" to the EU, just like India or China.

Other factors are occasionally cited but these are the main categories.

Job losses due to changes in the way business is conducted, such as those due to banking automation or to internet shopping, are usually excluded unless there is some compelling reason to regard Brexit is the real reason for cutting staff

Voltex

The Mirror is suggesting Priti Patel as Home Secretary and Dominic Raab in the Foreign Office. These are pretty hard core Brexiteers in key Cabinet positions. The omens are pointing to a hard brexit in October.

Be interesting to see Sterling's reaction to a Boris Cabinet if it plays out like the Mirror are calling it.

Eric Cartman

Voltex wrote: »

The Mirror is suggesting Priti Patel as Home Secretary and Dominic Raab in the Foreign Office. These are pretty hard core Brexiteers in key Cabinet positions. The omens are pointing to a hard brexit in October.

Be interesting to see Sterling's reaction to a Boris Cabinet if it plays out like the Mirror are calling it.

I think borris is lining up the pieces correctly to achieve what he wants, whether thats good or not is another debate but itll give him an easier time than May at getting some sort of deal or no deal done. He's effectively told the other MP's that the louder they shout leave, the more rewards they get. Since theres no chance of a non tory government till corbyn f*cks off, many will do whatever borris says to get ahead.

Stevieluvsye

Voltex wrote: »

The Mirror is suggesting Priti Patel as Home Secretary and Dominic Raab in the Foreign Office. These are pretty hard core Brexiteers in key Cabinet positions. The omens are pointing to a hard brexit in October.

Be interesting to see Sterling's reaction to a Boris Cabinet if it plays out like the Mirror are calling it.

Them appointments were confirmed already

Stevieluvsye

Twenty Grand wrote: »

There's a facebook page tabulating every job loss story. Up to 243,000 as of this week.
https://www.facebook.com/BrexitWrecksIt/

I quite like the page. We only hear of the big players pulling out of the UK (Like Nissan today), never of the small businesses who are suffering just as badly.

IMPORTANT NOTES ON METHODOLOGY:
================================

Job losses are attributed to Brexit if they meet one or more of the following conditions:

1. The employer's business has been significantly affected by sterling's devaluation, either immediately through rises in the cost of imported inputs or later by inflation passed on by those who were so affected.

2. Government austerity cuts are attributed to Brexit since Britain voted to remain the EU, austerity would have been lifted instead of deepened.

3. Barring other obvious explanations businesses that were doing okay but experienced a significant slowdown after the Brexit vote are deemed to have been impacted by Brexit.

4. Businesses and other enterprises (e.g. EU regulatory authorities) that will be impacted by the imposition of trading or regulatory barriers (including the potential imposition of tariffs).

5. All jobs moved abroad are considered Brexit-related even if offshored outside the EU, since Brexit makes Britain a "third country" to the EU, just like India or China.

Other factors are occasionally cited but these are the main categories.

Job losses due to changes in the way business is conducted, such as those due to banking automation or to internet shopping, are usually excluded unless there is some compelling reason to regard Brexit is the real reason for cutting staff

I wonder what number the jobs made were on the back of brexit? Just saying

Stevieluvsye

Voltex wrote: »

The Mirror is suggesting Priti Patel as Home Secretary and Dominic Raab in the Foreign Office. These are pretty hard core Brexiteers in key Cabinet positions. The omens are pointing to a hard brexit in October.

Be interesting to see Sterling's reaction to a Boris Cabinet if it plays out like the Mirror are calling it.

Them appointments were confirmed already

Twenty Grand

Twenty Grand wrote: »

There's a facebook page tabulating every job loss story. Up to 243,000 as of this week.
https://www.facebook.com/BrexitWrecksIt/

I quite like the page. We only hear of the big players pulling out of the UK (Like Nissan today), never of the small businesses who are suffering just as badly.

IMPORTANT NOTES ON METHODOLOGY:
================================

Job losses are attributed to Brexit if they meet one or more of the following conditions:

1. The employer's business has been significantly affected by sterling's devaluation, either immediately through rises in the cost of imported inputs or later by inflation passed on by those who were so affected.

2. Government austerity cuts are attributed to Brexit since Britain voted to remain the EU, austerity would have been lifted instead of deepened.

3. Barring other obvious explanations businesses that were doing okay but experienced a significant slowdown after the Brexit vote are deemed to have been impacted by Brexit.

4. Businesses and other enterprises (e.g. EU regulatory authorities) that will be impacted by the imposition of trading or regulatory barriers (including the potential imposition of tariffs).

5. All jobs moved abroad are considered Brexit-related even if offshored outside the EU, since Brexit makes Britain a "third country" to the EU, just like India or China.

Other factors are occasionally cited but these are the main categories.

Job losses due to changes in the way business is conducted, such as those due to banking automation or to internet shopping, are usually excluded unless there is some compelling reason to regard Brexit is the real reason for cutting staff

Those job losses are very tenuous to say the least and part 2) is a massive assumption.

Voltex

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Them appointments were confirmed already

Was reading an article from earlier, but only got to post now.

dublinman1990

I saw this on Twitter a short while ago. It made me LOL.

Twenty Grand

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

I wonder what number the jobs made were on the back of brexit? Just saying

Customs and immigration people maybe?

Enter name here

EU now saying if Boris wants to come back to the table there maybe some wriggle room the BBC is reporting. 9 hrs in and the EU starting to finally realise the UK is serious perhaps about leaving with no deal.

Voltex

Just read Leo's assessment of Boris's position vis a vis the current proposed withdrawal agreement - the EU are clear in their position, Ireland will not change their red lines, which are by association the EU's red lines. We're headed for a hard Brexit! Its time for the EU to close ranks and demonstrate solidarity.

If the EU were to pressure Ireland to relent on the backstop, the whole EU project could come under major questioning!!

Fann Linn

Voltex wrote: »

Just read Leo's assessment of Boris's position vis a vis the current proposed withdrawal agreement - the EU are clear in their position, Ireland will not change their red lines, which are by association the EU's red lines. We're headed for a hard Brexit! Its time for the EU to close ranks and demonstrate solidarity.

If the EU were to pressure Ireland to relent on the backstop, the whole EU project could come under major questioning!!

Or would it? What was the phrase they used in a different scenario a few years back :
'A bomb could go off in Dublin'.

4068ac1elhodqr

Just noticed Nigel is 3rd fav to become the next PM (After Jer & Jo).
2019 GE is increasing likely (November perhaps) at even odds.

Voltex

Fann Linn wrote: »

Or would it? What was the phrase they used in a different scenario a few years back :
'A bomb could go off in Dublin'.

Priti Patel once cited a report saying Ireland would suffer food shortages in the event of of a Hard Brexit and suggested this was an appropriate negotiating lever - completely ignorant of our famine history - and now this woman is Home Secretary!

I think the time has come for the EU to demonstrate its commitment to their smaller State members! Which I think it will!!

Fann Linn

Voltex wrote: »

Priti Patel once cited a report saying Ireland would suffer food shortages in the event of of a Hard Brexit and suggested this was an appropriate negotiating lever - completely ignorant of our famine history - and now this woman is Home Secretary!

I think the time has come for the EU to demonstrate its commitment to their smaller State members! Which I think it will!!

I would hope and like to think they would. However, I would be worried that we could get steamrolled if the UK pushed or threatened to push the nuclear option.

Voltex

Fann Linn wrote: »

I would hope and like to think they would. However, I would be worried that we could get steamrolled if the UK pushed or threatened to push the nuclear option.

I would be too, but this current UK Government is inherently unstable. From the EU's perspective there's more chance now of a GE in the UK and a second referendum so long as they hold their ground and demonstrate a united front.

Enter name here

Voltex wrote: »

I would be too, but this current UK Government is inherently unstable. From the EU's perspective there's more chance now of a GE in the UK and a second referendum so long as they hold their ground and demonstrate a united front.

And when the tories win the GE there will be no need for a 2nd referendum because voting them back in is a mandate.
Or we will need a 2nd GE because apparently thats what people demand nowadays when things dont go their way.

Melanchthon

Twenty Grand wrote: »

There's a facebook page tabulating every job loss story. Up to 243,000 as of this week.
https://www.facebook.com/BrexitWrecksIt/

I quite like the page. We only hear of the big players pulling out of the UK (Like Nissan today), never of the small businesses who are suffering just as badly.

IMPORTANT NOTES ON METHODOLOGY:
================================

Job losses are attributed to Brexit if they meet one or more of the following conditions:

1. The employer's business has been significantly affected by sterling's devaluation, either immediately through rises in the cost of imported inputs or later by inflation passed on by those who were so affected.

2. Government austerity cuts are attributed to Brexit since Britain voted to remain the EU, austerity would have been lifted instead of deepened.

3. Barring other obvious explanations businesses that were doing okay but experienced a significant slowdown after the Brexit vote are deemed to have been impacted by Brexit.

4. Businesses and other enterprises (e.g. EU regulatory authorities) that will be impacted by the imposition of trading or regulatory barriers (including the potential imposition of tariffs).

5. All jobs moved abroad are considered Brexit-related even if offshored outside the EU, since Brexit makes Britain a "third country" to the EU, just like India or China.

Other factors are occasionally cited but these are the main categories.

Job losses due to changes in the way business is conducted, such as those due to banking automation or to internet shopping, are usually excluded unless there is some compelling reason to regard Brexit is the real reason for cutting staff

Doesn't that run counter to the actual employment figures?

Voltex

Enter name here wrote: »

And when the tories win the GE there will be no need for a 2nd referendum because voting them back in is a mandate.
Or we will need a 2nd GE because apparently thats what people demand nowadays when things dont go their way.

What the Tories and the DUP fear most is that anti-brexit Parties win majorities in the regions. SNP pushing a secede agenda in Scotland and a referendum in 2021. IRA/Sinn Fein pushing for a Border Poll within a year or two. No Prime Minister will ever want to be remembered as the one who broke up the Union...and thats what will be in the event of a No-Deal Brexit!! Ireland knows this and so does the EU!!

Twenty Grand

Melanchthon wrote: »

Doesn't that run counter to the actual employment figures?

No, Brexit is undoubtedly costing jobs, but new jobs are still being created and filled. Most of the developed world is in an employment boom.

fryup

first Trump now this.....have the lunatics taken over the asylum?

Voltex

Twenty Grand wrote: »

No, Brexit is undoubtedly costing jobs, but new jobs are still being created and filled. Most of the developed world is in an employment boom.

As counter intuitive as it may seem, the Pound £ did rally on news of a Boris win. Im convinced all successful modern economies need to be the trading freely within a "Mundell" stylised trade area.

tedpan

It's funny, Boris was born in the US and his great grandad was turkish.

fqollere

Voltex wrote: »

As counter intuitive as it may seem, the Pound £ did rally on news of a Boris win. Im convinced all successful modern economies need to be the trading freely within a "Mundell" stylised trade area.

i think they won't leave at the last minute


everything that's happening now is drama before a second referendum imo

Twenty Grand

fqollere wrote: »

i think they won't leave at the last minute


everything that's happening now is drama before a second referendum imo

It'll either be deal or no deal IMO, but most likely a deal.
BJ will be lynched if he doesn't deliver some sort of Brexit.

Don't see the EU budging for the UK.
Definitely see the Scots going for independence if Brexit hurts them.
Definitely see NI moving closer to us than Britain over the next few years.
Unification within a decade? A boy can dream.

fqollere

If they leave their economy will be destroyed

They're afraid to tell the public they got it wrong but will wait until it sinks in imo