British version of Trump becomes PM

Twenty Grand

fqollere wrote: »

If they leave their economy will be destroyed

They're afraid to tell the public they got it wrong but will wait until it sinks in imo

I just can't believe that in 3 years of negotiations theres more uncertainty now than back then. The deal was meant to be done and signed this time last year.

If borders go up and logistics gets backlogged I see tens of thousands of workers being told to stay at home.

dudara

There’s a certain part of me that’s very curious to see what Boris will achieve. He said today that will take personal responsibility

And then he went to say that Britain will be ready by October. 3 months time, with most of Europe on holidays in August. The project manager in me is having a good giggle at that timeline.

Feisar

dudara wrote: »

There’s a certain part of me that’s very curious to see what Boris will achieve. He said today that will take personal responsibility

And then he went to say that Britain will be ready by October. 3 months time, with most of Europe on holidays in August. The project manager in me is having a good giggle at that timeline.

Well ye project managers think nine women can have a baby in a month! Just throw more bodies at it.

ambro25

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

I wonder what number the jobs made were on the back of brexit? Just saying

On paper at least, thousands of customs and immigration types, and other assorted civil servants (or G4S droids paid under public procurement contracts - same difference).

The obvious issue is that they're all paid from taxation income, which dwindles as the private sector shrinks/divests/offshores into the EU27 through its own ad hoc preparations.

We've all seen the estimates for the pre-Brexit preparations to date. That famous £350m per week is already long spent by now, and they haven't left yet.

There's an obvious rabbit hole to follow, and that is which politicians à la Chris "fresh startup with inexistant ferries gets multi-£m procurement without tendering" Grayling and lobbyists à la Crispin "Nigel, do us a favour and throw in the referendun towel a couple hours before the official results" Odey have been minting it since June 2016. No end to it in sight, after yesterday's appointments.

So glad I brexoded last year and they've been doing all this without my tax.

Dyr

You'd assume Johnson is looking to steal the Brexit Parties possible vote while looking to keep conservative voters on board

Labour are doing so poorly that could give him a working majority. Johnson will adopt the tactics Thatcher used on Kinnock and hope it works

ohnonotgmail

One positive to take from this is that if Boris goes to form he will be off at the first sign of trouble. Given the current situation in the UK that probably wont take very long.

_Kaiser_

This thread is mad - right down to the title.

Liberal types personally offended because someone they don't like got elected in another country. Like him or not, Trump has done most of what he said he would and their economy is doing fine.
Boris can't be any worse than say Leo Varadkar - the most empty suit Taoiseach we've had yet. More concerned with his gigs and Tweets than running the country with any sort of competence, or even coming down on dodgy insurance claims from within his own party.

Even more funny is the hope that the UK economy goes down the toilet to teach them a lesson and because it's "de Brits". Time to get over the 800 years and join the rest of us in the 21st century.

Well the EU isn't any particular friend to Ireland either.. maybe a friend of convenience. Oh sure we got a lot of infrastructure investment and subsidies, but we're a net contributor these days and we certainly paid them back with the cheapest bailout in history :rolleyes: to prevent the contagion to their own banks.

If the UK economy tanks as some seem to hope, it'll be far more damaging to us than Brussels, Paris or Berlin

ancapailldorcha

Who has expressed hope that the UK economy will collapse?

antix80

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Who has expressed hope that the UK economy will collapse?

I hear it the whole time. I'm sure there's a few instances in this thread.

Stevieluvsye

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Who has expressed hope that the UK economy will collapse?

Seriously?

Man, that is some comment.

ancapailldorcha

antix80 wrote: »

I hear it the whole time. I'm sure there's a few instances in this thread.

Feel free to quote some.

steddyeddy

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

This thread is mad - right down to the title.

Liberal types personally offended because someone they don't like got elected in another country. Like him or not, Trump has done most of what he said he would and their economy is doing fine.
Boris can't be any worse than say Leo Varadkar - the most empty suit Taoiseach we've had yet. More concerned with his gigs and Tweets than running the country with any sort of competence, or even coming down on dodgy insurance claims from within his own party.

Even more funny is the hope that the UK economy goes down the toilet to teach them a lesson and because it's "de Brits". Time to get over the 800 years and join the rest of us in the 21st century.

Well the EU isn't any particular friend to Ireland either.. maybe a friend of convenience. Oh sure we got a lot of infrastructure investment and subsidies, but we're a net contributor these days and we certainly paid them back with the cheapest bailout in history :rolleyes: to prevent the contagion to their own banks.

If the UK economy tanks as some seem to hope, it'll be far more damaging to us than Brussels, Paris or Berlin

I think your post embodies Brexit perfectly. Brexiters are more angry about people talking down Brexit rather than being angry at the people who brought about the vote that will actually destroy the British economy.

miamee

tedpan wrote: »

It's funny, Boris was born in the US and his great grandad was turkish.

He is also related to European royalty and a descendant of King George II - all discovered when he went on Who Do You Think You Are?

AllGunsBlazing

Looks like he gave Corbyn a bit of a hiding in their first joust in parliament today. Corbyn will probably continue to struggle in these exchanges. Unlike Boris, May was easily flustered during pmqs, and Corbyn frequently tripped her up. Boris is rarely ever at a loss when it comes to verbal backhanders..

fqollere

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Looks like he gave Corbyn a bit of a hiding in their first joust in parliament today. Corbyn will probably continue to struggle in these exchanges. Unlike Boris, May was easily flustered during pmqs, and Corbyn frequently tripped her up. Boris is rarely ever at a loss when it comes to verbal backhanders..

ya but that's the least of their problems at this stage

they should be co-operating

dudara

Trump-related posts deleted. There are plenty of other threads to discuss the US and Trump. This is not that thread.

dudara

Boggles

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Looks like he gave Corbyn a bit of a hiding in their first joust in parliament today. Corbyn will probably continue to struggle in these exchanges. Unlike Boris, May was easily flustered during pmqs, and Corbyn frequently tripped her up. Boris is rarely ever at a loss when it comes to verbal backhanders..

It was just a load of roaring and shouting as usual, bit more boisterous today.

The only meaningful slap down issued today was by Barnier.

steddyeddy

In parliament Boris insisted on ditching the backstop. The EU's chief negotiator sends a message out that this is unacceptable. From my perspective the only good thing about Boris is that he's going to show Brexit for the sham it is a lot sooner than May.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-eu-plan-deal-negotiation-irish-backstop-prime-minister-a9020866.html

Boggles

steddyeddy wrote: »

In parliament Boris insisted on ditching the backstop. The EU's chief negotiator sends a message out that this is unacceptable. From my perspective the only good thing about Boris is that he's going to show Brexit for the sham it is a lot sooner than May.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-eu-plan-deal-negotiation-irish-backstop-prime-minister-a9020866.html

PM Johnson has stated that if an agreement is to be reached it goes by way of eliminating the backstop. This is of course unacceptable and not within the mandate of the European Council

That bolded part seems to be lost in the Bozo mania.

Enter name here

Boggles wrote: »

That bolded part seems to be lost in the Bozo mania.

The BOLDEST part seems to be lost on the likes of yourself and others. Boris has quite clearly stated he doesn't care and will walk away, what part of that is everyone getting confused? The world's 5th largest economy has stated they will walk away if you think that wont make the EU re negotiate people will be sorely mistaken.

antix80

Enter name here wrote: »

The BOLDEST part seems to be lost on the likes of yourself and others. Boris has quite clearly stated he doesn't care and will walk away, what part of that is everyone getting confused? The world's 5th largest economy has stated they will walk away if you think that wont make the EU re negotiate people will be sorely mistaken.

I think it's interesting that Trump pulled out of an EU trade deal. I wonder if he thinks he'll have more bargaining power if both the UK and EU want a trade deal with the US.

Then there's Australia/New Zealand and South America all negotiating trade deals with the EU. Not sure how the nature of these negotiations depends on what the UK is doing. Seems to me the UK needs to act fast and make friends if it's to leave the EU in 3 months.

Enter name here

antix80 wrote: »

I think it's interesting that Trump pulled out of an EU trade deal. I wonder if he thinks he'll have more bargaining power if both the UK and EU want a trade deal with the US.

Then there's Australia/New Zealand and South America all negotiating trade deals with the EU. Not sure how the nature of these negotiations depends on what the UK is doing. Seems to me the UK needs to act fast and make friends if it's to leave the EU in 3 months.

Yes we can see how much that South American (eu sanctioned trade deal) is going to affect Irish farmers. It will be the end of their farms and business but lets all celebrate the EU shall we.

Faugheen

Enter name here wrote: »

The BOLDEST part seems to be lost on the likes of yourself and others. Boris has quite clearly stated he doesn't care and will walk away, what part of that is everyone getting confused? The world's 5th largest economy has stated they will walk away if you think that wont make the EU re negotiate people will be sorely mistaken.

He won’t walk away. Parliament will pass a binding vote that won’t allow him to.

Plus, he’s bluffing anyway. Boris might be a bumbling fool but even he knows what damage a no-deal Brexit causes.

He won’t be able to walk away because of Commons, so he’ll get an extension and call a general election so a clear majority government will be able to pass whatever it wants.

Boggles

Enter name here wrote: »

The world's 5th largest economy has stated they will walk away if you think that wont make the EU re negotiate people will be sorely mistaken.

5th really? Sure let's play a bit of Top Trumps.

The EU is the largest economy in the world. Although growth is projected to be slow, the EU remains the largest economy in the world with a GDP per head of €25 000 for its 500 million consumers.

The EU is the world's largest trading block. The EU is the world’s largest trader of manufactured goods and services.

The EU ranks first in both inbound and outbound international investments

The EU is the top trading partner for 80 countries. By comparison the US is the top trading partner for a little over 20 countries.

The EU is the most open to developing countries. Fuels excluded, the EU imports more from developing countries than the USA, Canada, Japan and China put together.

Yeah Bozo holds all the cards all right. :rolleyes:

steddyeddy

Boris Johnson's government has been warned by Nancy Pelosi that there won't be a UK-US trade deal if the Good Friday agreement is harmed. So even if the EU caves under pressure we have American backing.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/brexit-pelosi-warns-uk-not-to-jeopardise-belfast-agreement-1.3967768?fbclid=IwAR2zxWtEnQoW3hVPo1tYOe8SQdtBrncnJeBQqcIxLTbtiFDBoF01A9ZQFrI

blinding

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I would say it accelerates ageing by about 50%.

Blair turned into Lucifers representative on earth . It goes to show that when that sort of evil is inside you it cannot be hidden on your face .

blinding

fryup wrote: »

first Trump now this.....have the lunatics taken over the asylum?

Perhaps the reason we have Trump / Brexit / Boris is that the Lunatics were running the asylum before these three things happened:eek::eek::eek:

Boggles

steddyeddy wrote: »

Boris Johnson's government has been warned by Nancy Pelosi that there won't be a UK-US trade deal if the Good Friday agreement is harmed. So even if the EU caves under pressure we have American backing.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/brexit-pelosi-warns-uk-not-to-jeopardise-belfast-agreement-1.3967768?fbclid=IwAR2zxWtEnQoW3hVPo1tYOe8SQdtBrncnJeBQqcIxLTbtiFDBoF01A9ZQFrI

Add to that the 2 fingers China gave them a couple of weeks ago.

Brexit does not make the UK the greatest country in the world, it makes them dangerously sub-servant.

They gave real matches and real petrol to an absolute Clown, lets hope some adults get involved.

Wanderer78

blinding wrote:

Perhaps the reason we have Trump / Brexit / Boris is that the Lunatics were running the asylum before these three things happened

There's an element of truth to this, but is this the solution!

blinding

fqollere wrote: »

i think they won't leave at the last minute


everything that's happening now is drama before a second referendum imo

There certainly won’t be a second referendum before a General Election , nor should there be .

blinding

dudara wrote: »

There’s a certain part of me that’s very curious to see what Boris will achieve. He said today that will take personal responsibility

And then he went to say that Britain will be ready by October. 3 months time, with most of Europe on holidays in August. The project manager in me is having a good giggle at that timeline.

But what do you think your self ?;)

Stop moaning ffs

Brexit is 1000 days old and unresolved. Boris thinks he can solve it in 90.
Boris is deluded.

Still waiting on the EU to cave. (Not gonna happen)
Still waiting for the EU to throw Ireland under the bus (not gonna happen)

blinding

Wanderer78 wrote: »

There's an element of truth to this, but is this the solution!

In democracies the People decide the solution or what they consider the best solution on offer !

blinding

Cameron surrendered to the Eu= Out of his job .

May surrendered to the Eu = Out of her job .

Advice to Boris Johnson = do not surrender to the Eu if you want to stay in your job .

Wanderer78

blinding wrote:

In democracies the People decide the solution or what they consider the best solution on offer !

It should be interesting to see how this democracy works out in reality, but you d have to wonder, will we ever experience it

blinding

Wanderer78 wrote: »

It should be interesting to see how this democracy works out in reality, but you d have to wonder, will we ever experience it

Democracy is considered by some to be a very bad system but many many many times better than the alternatives ( to paraphrase Winston Churchill )

Hopefully Britain returns to being a Democracy soon . There has been a three year aberration where Britain has ceased to be a democracy i.e. Not Respecting the will of the People in the Referendum and the following General Election .

A Country should cherish its democracy . Look at Hong Kong now and let that be a warning to us all .

Stop moaning ffs

Nobody is stopping or disrupting democracy in the uk though.
They voted to leave. Grand. They just seem to be going in circles about how.

blinding

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Nobody is stopping or disrupting democracy in the uk though.
They voted to leave. Grand. They just seem to be going in circles about how.

The Anti-Democratcs in the UK have been trying to subvert democracy by every conceivable means . It is no surprise that they are Eu-Philes .

Stop moaning ffs

blinding wrote: »

The Anti-Democratcs in the UK have been trying to subvert democracy by every conceivable means . It is no surprise that they are Eu-Philes .

Who are these anti democratics you refer to exactly?

Boggles

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Brexit is 1000 days old and unresolved. Boris thinks he can solve it in 90.
Boris is deluded.

Still waiting on the EU to cave. (Not gonna happen)
Still waiting for the EU to throw Ireland under the bus (not gonna happen)

He wishes he had 90 days.

The EU council don't meet again until October 12th.

He was told quite clearly yesterday don't bother ringing if it's about the backstop.

He has 20 odd days.

Like I said May was a torturous slow train crash, this will be quick and spectacular.

Stop moaning ffs

Boggles wrote: »

He wishes he had 90 days.

The EU council don't meet again until October 12th.

He was told quite clearly yesterday don't bother ringing if it's about the backstop.

He has 20 odd days.

Like I said May was a torturous slow train crash, this will be quick and spectacular.

Good point.
Halloween night is gonna be great craic this year

Stevieluvsye

Boggles wrote: »

He wishes he had 90 days.

The EU council don't meet again until October 12th.

He was told quite clearly yesterday don't bother ringing if it's about the backstop.

He has 20 odd days.

Like I said May was a torturous slow train crash, this will be quick and spectacular.

I was staggered by his speech yesterday. Looks like he wants a no deal. He can't roll back on his statement yesterday or he'll be taken for a fool by all in parliament

Gives the government an excuse now to raise taxes in our next budget

ILoveYourVibes

I knew this would happen. I knew he would win.

I was staggered by his speech yesterday. Looks like he wants a no deal. He can't roll back on his statement yesterday or he'll be taken for a fool by all in parliament

Gives the government an excuse now to raise taxes in our next budget
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Its a bluff. The EU won't budge though. He will find himself corned and having to do it though.

Boggles

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

I was staggered by his speech yesterday. Looks like he wants a no deal. He can't roll back on his statement yesterday or he'll be taken for a fool by all in parliament

A politician can't roll back on a statement? :P

May ran an election on "No Deal is better than a Bad Deal".

She nearly broke her neck rolling back from that.

That said, that's what makes Bozo dangerous.

He has zero integrity, he will do what is best for him and him only, to think he will put the British first when he gave less of a shít about his own kids is farcical.

The British have a child clown in number 10, it's now they have to show that they are the great nation they claim to be.

blinding

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Who are these anti democratics you refer to exactly?

Politicians and others that do not accept the Democratic decision of the People in the 2016 Referendum and following General election .

Fair dues to Boris Johnson , He is Bringing back the Uk to be being a Democracy Again .

blinding

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I knew this would happen. I knew he would win.




Its a bluff. The EU won't budge though. He will find himself corned and having to do it though.

Corned ! The Eu really is losing the run of itself :eek:

Even Less Irish Beef .

Stop moaning ffs

blinding wrote: »

Politicians and others that do not accept the Democratic decision of the People in the 2016 Referendum and following General election .

Fair dues to Boris Johnson , He is Bringing back the Uk to be being a Democracy Again .

Is it a democratic result when every statement made by vote leave and Johnson and Farage etc were demonstrably all lies?

ILoveYourVibes

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Is it a democratic result when every statement made by vote leave and Johnson and Farage etc were demonstrably all lies?

People didn't vote based on the truth of detailed statements. They voted based on broader ideologies based on perspective and feeling.

If he preforms badly he will have to bow to the support of extremists if he hasn't already which i suspect he has.

The UK govt has for generations used the EU to blame for their failures or as a distraction from them. They are going to continue to do that.


What is more the british people have not chosen the last two of their primeministers that is due solely to the ineptitude of both parties.


I think the REAL solution is to worry about that and have a general election its clear the Tories can't handle this not because they are not smart enough but because they can't rule competently right now because of their ideology. Sad to say it but a less competent party or person with a more flexible ideology would probably do a better job. I.E corbyn.

blinding

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Is it a democratic result when every statement made by vote leave and Johnson and Farage etc were demonstrably all lies?

Cameron said if he did not get a deal from the Eu he himself would vote leave . He got nothing and then voted remain:eek: That's one hell of a porkie:eek:

Remain told plenty of lies as well .

If you are not able to take all the information supplied and make up your now mind then:eek::D:eek:

Funnily enough the People more than backed up the Referendum result by Voting for Parties that said they would respect the Referendum result by 83% in the following General election .

Funny , how the Brexit democracy is always wrong and misguided and the remain democracy is always right:eek::eek::eek:

Boris will have learned that Cameron and May surrendered to the Eu and were out of the job .

Advice to the New British Prime Minister = Do not surrender to the Eu . Surrendering to the Eu will cost you your Job .

Stevieluvsye

Boggles wrote: »

A politician can't roll back on a statement? :P

May ran an election on "No Deal is better than a Bad Deal".

She nearly broke her neck rolling back from that.

That said, that's what makes Bozo dangerous.

He has zero integrity, he will do what is best for him and him only, to think he will put the British first when he gave less of a shít about his own kids is farcical.

The British have a child clown in number 10, it's now they have to show that they are the great nation they claim to be.

I was reading a piece in the Indo this morning on what each of his cabinets position wre on the Irish border and not one of them gives too hoots with the exception maybe of Javid.

Sure the new Norn Iron secretary is a DUP supporter!

Can't make this **** up, except you can