People being killed by one punch to the head seems more and more common

Problem Of Motivation

I know there's an awful lot or murders these days. But just recently I realised that I can think of three murders within the last year or two that involved death occurring at the result of one punch. Can it really happen that easily? I was in a street fight against two guys once and I never felt like I could've ended up dead.

One was a keyboard player in Waterford. His girlfriend was talking to a thug and as she walked away from the thug and back to her boyfriend, the thug yelled out a demeaning remark. The keyboard said something like "don't you talk to her like that" and ended up being punched in the face and killed. As punishment the convicted thug got landed with a fine of €100! I'd expect more than that for littering.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/young-musician-dies-from-injuries-after-assault-in-waterford-1.3566563

And most recently was the case in Kilkenny where some guy was fired up after the latest Conor McGregor fight, and punched a father of four in the head resulting in death. Everyone in the house it had occur in were locked inside for about 8 hours so that they couldn't report the incident.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/4235539/man-caused-death-dad-single-punch-jailed/

The first I heard was some foreigner in Monaghan. Think he might have been Lithuanian. Punched a man dead on the street. Anyone remember it? Anyway, I get very sad and angry when I hear of these stories. All these guys glorify Conor McGregor.

Anto Lynch

Its not the punch that kills in most cases, Its the head cracking off the ground.

Happens a lot in Australia they call it "king punching".

Most of time its a sucker punch, pure scum to do that to anyone.

Force Carrier

So you tugged on the keyboard and the cable came out?

Pissartist

Anto Lynch wrote: »

Its not the punch that kills in most cases, Its the head cracking off the ground.

Happens a lot in Australia they call it "king punching".

Most of time its a sucker punch, pure scum to do that to anyone.

yes like the brit hitting some dudes bodyguard in the paper today,
and he was proud of it, what a coward

Anto Lynch

Pissartist wrote: »

yes like the brit hitting some dudes bodyguard in the paper today,
and he was proud of it, what a coward

I seen that, proper toerag that fella and he celebrating after it on camera. Not the brightest.

Problem Of Motivation

Anto Lynch wrote: »

he celebrating after it on camera.

I would hope that that's because he was still all fired up, and also because he mightn't have yet realised that the bodyguard was dead.

freshpopcorn

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Boom_Bap

Anto Lynch wrote: »

I seen that, proper toerag that fella and he celebrating after it on camera. Not the brightest.

He had a rock in his hand as well. Not exactly a punch.

Anto Lynch

Boom_Bap wrote: »

He had a rock in his hand as well. Not exactly a punch.

I seen somebody comment on that alright, wasnt sure if it was true.

thomasm

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

His girlfriend was talking to a thug in order to make him jealous

Where did you get this from ??

Problem Of Motivation

thomasm wrote: »

Where did you get this from ??

Joe Duffy. They didn't say she was trying to make him jealous, but you know the way girls will do these things to get their boyfriend's attention! She should not have been over there talking to that sort of person.

Problem Of Motivation

Anto Lynch wrote: »

I seen somebody comment on that alright

You don't want to end up talking like one of these thugs now do you.

mad muffin

A few years ago in Australia they introduce minimum sentencing for it. I think it’s something like 8 years.

rossie1977

Anto Lynch wrote: »

Its not the punch that kills in most cases, Its the head cracking off the ground.

Happens a lot in Australia they call it "king punching".

Most of time its a sucker punch, pure scum to do that to anyone.

Yeah. I saw fight one night in Athlone where a guy got knocked down with one punch and fell back bounced off the curb. Probably the fact he was a big dude as in 20+ stone looked like, saved him.

eviltwin

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

Joe Duffy. They didn't say she was trying to make him jealous, but you know the way girls will do these things to get their boyfriend's attention! She should not have been over there talking to that sort of person.

I doubt she expected it to escalate the way it did. I'm sure she feels terrible

Problem Of Motivation

rossie1977 wrote: »

Yeah. I saw fight one night in Athlone where a guy got knocked down with one punch and fell back bounced off the curb. Probably the fact he was a big dude as in 20+ stone looked like, saved him.

My father warned me Athlone is a dangerous town.

What's even more disgusting is to think this happens out on the street with people watching. Imagine having to watch knowing somebody is going to end up dead knowing there is nothing you can do.

Problem Of Motivation

Anto Lynch wrote: »

Happens a lot in Australia they call it "king punching".

Gee, how did you hear about that?

NeonWolf

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

Gee, how did you hear about that?

It’s called a “king hit” . I think it originated from brawls in the kings cross area.

Lads were getting sucker punched weekly. It was like the ice bucket challenge

twowheelsonly

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

One was a keyboard player in Waterford. His girlfriend was talking to a thug in order to make him jealous, and as she walked away from the thug and back to her boyfriend, the thug yelled out a demeaning remark. The keyboard said something like "don't you talk to her like that" and ended up being punched in the face and killed. As punishment the convicted thug got landed with a fine of €100! I'd expect more than that for littering.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/young-musician-dies-from-injuries-after-assault-in-waterford-1.3566563


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He got five years for manslaughter so don't know where you're getting that €100 fine from...

(Should have been more than five IMO as he was out on bail for another unprovoked assault at the time but that's neither here nor there...)

Effects

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

All these guys glorify Conor McGregor.

They are bigger football fans, so probably best we do something about that first.
The most ardent football fans are always scum bags anyway.

Yester

More people are training how to throw punches nowadays.

Pauliedragon

mad muffin wrote: »

A few years ago in Australia they introduce minimum sentencing for it. I think it’s something like 8 years.

Ya it's 10 years minimum also they completely overhauled the liquor laws in 2014 in response to 2 lads being killed.

thomasm

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

Joe Duffy. They didn't say she was trying to make him jealous, but you know the way girls will do these things to get their boyfriend's attention! She should not have been over there talking to that sort of person.

Pure speculation and grossly unfair on the girl in question who is suffering enough I'm sure without stuff being invented to make her feel worse FFS

Effects

Yester wrote: »

More people are training how to throw punches nowadays.

As in they don't throw haymakers or sucker punches?
Or they know how to strike with deadlier consequences?

Yester

Effects wrote: »

As in they don't throw haymakers or sucker punches?
Or they know how to strike with deadlier consequences?

As in, they know how to strike with deadlier consequences. If a guy has trained in a martial art or mma etc then he knows how to put his weight behind a punch. Then if he goes out, gets drunk one night and decides to be a prick and sucker puck someone then he is likely to do a lot of damage.

Anto Lynch

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

You don't want to end up talking like one of these thugs now do you.

Couldnt care less tbh.

Anto Lynch

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

Gee, how did you hear about that?

Heard it on the news when i lived in Melbourne.

Anto Lynch

eviltwin wrote: »

I doubt she expected it to escalate the way it did. I'm sure she feels terrible

God love her. The cùnt.

Deebles McBeebles

Who's boxin'? I'll box!

Anto Lynch

Anto Lynch wrote: »

God love her. The cùnt.

Classy guy. I doubt you will be contributing much more to this conversation (thankfully)

dudara

@Anto Lynch - watch the language.

dudara

Anto Lynch

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Classy guy. I doubt you will be contributing much more to this conversation (thankfully)

Thats rich coming from a racist.

Anto Lynch

Anto Lynch wrote: »

Thats rich coming from a racist.

Please explain...

Tokyo

Anto Lynch wrote: »

Thats rich coming from a racist.

Deleted User wrote: »

Please explain...

Deleted User wrote: »

Classy guy. I doubt you will be contributing much more to this conversation (thankfully)

Mod: Both of you - quit the sniping, and throwing accusations about.

seamus

It seems more likely that the guy in question tried to chat her up, she told him to jog on, which started the argument.

Given the OP's preponderance of wrong information, I'd take his claim with a large pinch of salt.

Any road, no, more people aren't dying from single punches, we're just more vigilant about following up on them. 30 years ago the Gardai would have been faster just disperse it as a "drunken brawl" and send the other guy to hospital without taking any names. When he dies the next day, he was killed because he "got into a fight".

Random attacks were also far harder to solve given the lack of CCTV and other media to track people's movements.

Problem Of Motivation

twowheelsonly wrote: »

He got five years for manslaughter so don't know where you're getting that €100 fine from...

(Should have been more than five IMO as he was out on bail for another unprovoked assault at the time but that's neither here nor there...)

Well that was what I heard from his mother on Joe Duffy. Must have been appealed or something

Problem Of Motivation

seamus wrote: »

It seems more likely that the guy in question tried to chat her up, she told him to jog on, which started the argument.

Given the OP's preponderance of wrong information, I'd take his claim with a large pinch of salt.

Any road, no, more people aren't dying from single punches, we're just more vigilant about following up on them. 30 years ago the Gardai would have been faster just disperse it as a "drunken brawl" and send the other guy to hospital without taking any names. When he dies the next day, he was killed because he "got into a fight".

Random attacks were also far harder to solve given the lack of CCTV and other media to track people's movements.

Do you remember the one in Monaghan? It was the one where somebody corrected you when you thought Monaghan was in the North. Remember that thread?

bcklschaps

People being killed by one punch to the head seems more and more common


Media love to sensationalize things. Might have been one punch that eventually caused death, but the 20 previous punches and 20 kicks probably contributed too :-[

Problem Of Motivation

thomasm wrote: »

Pure speculation and grossly unfair on the girl in question who is suffering enough I'm sure without stuff being invented to make her feel worse FFS

You would bloody well have to wonder what she was doing over talking to your man. He hardly looked like any other guy. She'd should have known by the look of him that he was scum.

Problem Of Motivation

bcklschaps wrote: »

Might have been one punch that eventually caused death, but the 20 previous punches and 20 kicks probably contributed too :-[

Not in any of the cases I'm referring to.

Problem Of Motivation

Problem Of Motivation wrote:

You would bloody well have to wonder what she was doing over talking to your man. He hardly looked like any other guy. She'd should have known by the look of him that he was scum.

Jesus. Blaming anyone except the guy who punched the other guy is ridiculous and insensitive

Limpy

If you kill a person with one punch, Will the max sentence be manslaughter?

Galwayguy35

There was a programme about this last year, the shocking thing was a few of the lads who had hit someone and killed them didn't seem bothered about it at all.

johnsparkexile

If your going to talk about the case at least have the decency to read about it first, The girlfriend was/ is entirely blameless in all of this.



A man, who was on bail for assault when he punched and killed a talented musician at least twice into the head in an unprovoked attack, was jailed for five years for his manslaughter.

Craig McGrath (25), from Rathfaddan Park in Waterford city, was sentenced on Friday afternoon by Judge Eugene O’Kelly. McGrath pleaded guilty before Waterford Circuit Criminal Court in March to the manslaughter on July 13, 2018 of Damien O’Brien (27) arising from an assault that occurred on July 7, 2018 at the junction of John Street and Manor Street. McGrath, who has 24 previous convictions, was on bail for a charge of assault causing harm to Kiefer Dowling on August 18, 2017 at Shortts, John Street at the time that he punched Mr O’Brien.

Mr O’Brien from Kilmacow, Co Kilkenny sustained a broken eye socket, broken nose and broken jaw as a result of the punches before he fell and was fatally injured when he hit his head off the ground. He was transferred to Cork University Hospital (CUH) in a critical condition before he tragically died on July 13, 2018.

CCTV of both incidents were shown in court. Detective Garda Seamus Halpin of Waterford Garda Station outlined the facts of the case. On the night Mr O’Brien, who had been living with his girlfriend Catherine Smith in the city, had played a gig with his band in the Hub Bar before continuing to socialise with his girlfriend afterwards. They were at the junction of John Street and Manor Street when Catherine met Evan Maloney who was in the company of McGrath. There was some messing about a house party, but it was Catherine’s intention to go home with her boyfriend. In her statement, Catherine said they later walked passed them again and McGrath made a derogatory comment to her. Mr O’Brien had words with McGrath. “A couple of seconds later this fella punched Damien into the face twice. I remember Damien falling to the ground and hearing a thud when his head hit the ground. The fella that hit him, hit him in a very aggressive manner. I don’t remember him saying anything.”

Problem Of Motivation

Deleted User wrote: »

Jesus. Blaming anyone except the guy who punched the other guy is ridiculous and insensitive

Well answer me this - if you forgot to lock your car and it got stolen, what do you think would be the first thing your parents would say?

Problem Of Motivation

Anto Lynch wrote: »

Its not the punch that kills in most cases, Its the head cracking off the ground.

Happens a lot in Australia they call it "king punching".

Most of time its a sucker punch, pure scum to do that to anyone.

But isn't it natural to put out your hands to stop your fall!

Joeseph Balls

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

But isn't it natural to put out your hands to stop your fall!

Not when your unconscious on the way down...

Pauliedragon

Problem Of Motivation wrote: »

But isn't it natural to put out your hands to stop your fall!

It's the back of the head that hits the ground in a lot of cases. Very hard to use your hands to protect the back of the head.

Problem Of Motivation

Problem Of Motivation wrote:

Well answer me this - if you forgot to lock your car and it got stolen, what do you think would be the first thing your parents would say?

They'd probably NOT say that a girl talking to a boy makes her somewhat culpable for her boyfriends death.

Because my parents aren't mental.

Problem Of Motivation

Pauliedragon wrote: »

It's the back of the head that hits the ground in a lot of cases. Very hard to use your hands to protect the back of the head.

No but I mean using your hands to break the fall.

There needs to be much more serious penalties for violence. This nonsense of €100 fine for violently punching someone. Why not a €10,000 fine taken from them by whatever means necessary.