US congresswoman states America should be "more fearful of white men"

Overheal

circadian wrote: »

You've drank the kool aid ya eejit.

Don’t feed the troll.

Beasty

Overheal wrote: »

Don’t feed the troll.

Please leave the modding to the mods

Thanks

Billy Mays

He's overdosed on the kool aid

listermint

splashuum wrote: »

In a bizarre statement Ilhan Omar claims Americans should be more fearful of white men. These comment are totally incorrect seeming as the homicide rate committed by black men is soaring. Its frightening to see people gobble up her garbage.
I firmly believe she could play a major factor in getting Trump re-elected due to her radical views.

https://twitter.com/mollyfprince/status/1154039284950716419

Ouch. It appears monthly at this stage we have white home grown Americans with legal assault rifles murdering people in family settings at scale.

This week in another plot twist... A white young disaffected male uses a legally purchased AK-47 to gun down two children a young man and a woman at a garlic themed food festival. You know an area full of families just out to enjoy a normal day. Despite the fact the festival has had to fence itself off and deploy Xray machines. And despite the fact the officers intercepted the killer within 60 seconds of him starting he still managed to murder 4 people and injure a further 20.


Seems like your opening post is a mockery of the reality of living and working in the US . A place where you have to be afraid to send your kids to school. You have to be afraid to fill up with gas and you have to be afraid to go on a family day out to a festival or a concert.


Beautiful .... Just beautiful

notobtuse

Overheal wrote: »

No, it’s not from Forbes, it’s from Open The Books, and the source data is not accessible, so there isn’t a readily discernible way to verify all of these incidents don’t include animal feces, for instance.

Though since were playing the biased sources game I should point out Forbes has a right wing bent.

Yes it was from Forbes... (take notice to the map, thank you very much). Perhaps best to do some homework before playing with the big boys.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2019/04/15/mapping-san-franciscos-human-waste-challenge-132562-case-reports-since-2008/#667182305ea5

Forbes is an American business magazine. Published bi-weekly, it features original articles on finance, industry, investing, and marketing topics. Forbes also reports on related subjects such as technology, communications, science, politics, and law. Its headquarters is located in Jersey City, New Jersey.

First issue: September 15, 1917; 101 years ago

So a American business magazine is considered to have a right wing slant? Perhaps, but would that mean anti-business entities are left wing? Viva la socialism, eh?

Franz Von Peppercorn II

InTheShadows wrote: »

Shocking really. Can only imagine if the roles where reversed and someone like Trump said this about black people. People like Anderson Cooper would be having a stroke live on air as the virtue signaling went into overdrive.

Why is racism against white people in open season. Surely all racism is disgusting and to be purged from our society.

In context her position made sense. She was saying that white nationalists kill more than Muslims in the US, which is true.

Overheal

notobtuse wrote: »

Yes it was from Forbes... (take notice to the map, thank you very much). Perhaps best to do some homework before playing with the big boys.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2019/04/15/mapping-san-franciscos-human-waste-challenge-132562-case-reports-since-2008/#667182305ea5




So a American business magazine is considered to have a right wing slant? Perhaps, but would that mean anti-business entities are left wing? Viva la socialism, eh?

Forbes didn’t generate the map. Derp.

NKante

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

In context her position made sense. She was saying that white nationalists kill more than Muslims in the US, which is true.

Not since 2000

Black people also commit more murders, but she would never say that.

mad muffin

listermint wrote: »

Ouch. It appears monthly at this stage we have white home grown Americans with legal assault rifles murdering people in family settings at scale.

This week in another plot twist... A white young disaffected male uses a legally purchased AK-47 to gun down two children a young man and a woman at a garlic themed food festival. You know an area full of families just out to enjoy a normal day. Despite the fact the festival has had to fence itself off and deploy Xray machines. And despite the fact the officers intercepted the killer within 60 seconds of him starting he still managed to murder 4 people and injure a further 20.


Seems like your opening post is a mockery of the reality of living and working in the US . A place where you have to be afraid to send your kids to school. You have to be afraid to fill up with gas and you have to be afraid to go on a family day out to a festival or a concert.


Beautiful .... Just beautiful

It definitely seems to be a way of life in America

https://www.insider.com/mass-shootings-in-the-us-weekend-of-july-26-28-2019-7#a-25-year-old-man-was-taken-into-custody-after-an-airman-was-killed-and-three-others-were-injured-in-a-shooting-in-wichita-kansas-early-saturday-morning-6

"We're 210 days into 2019 and there have already been 246 mass shootings," she said in the statement, adding: "This reality is horrifying. It's heartbreaking. And the fact that our nation's leaders continue to fail to protect us should fuel outrage in every American. This must stop — we must stop this."

I don’t want to take away from the tragedy of the Gilroy garlic festival. But after there was massive media coverage and a trending hashtag of “Pray for Gilroy,” “Gilroy Strong” and “Gun Control Now.”

The weekend in Chicago there were 9 killed and 39 wounded mostly African American. In Baltimore 13 shot and 6 killed since last Friday.

There was no national coverage or a hashtag. For them. Some are saying that it’s possibly because the Gilroy killing were mostly white and the gunman white.

Overheal

NKante wrote: »

Not since 2000

Black people also commit more murders, but she would never say that.

Since September 12, 2001, it’s not even close.

NKante

Overheal wrote: »

Since September 12, 2001, it’s not even close.

True, but I take the stats from Sep 11 2001.


And if we extrapolate to the wider world, some 60 people were murdered by the far right last year - compared to about 18,000 by Islamists.

Overheal

NKante wrote: »

True, but I take the stats from Sep 11 2001.


And if we extrapolate to the wider world, some 60 people were murdered by the far right last year - compared to about 18,000 by Islamists.

You don’t appear to know what extrapolation is.

notobtuse

listermint wrote: »

Ouch. It appears monthly at this stage we have white home grown Americans with legal assault rifles murdering people in family settings at scale.

This week in another plot twist... A white young disaffected male uses a legally purchased AK-47 to gun down two children a young man and a woman at a garlic themed food festival. You know an area full of families just out to enjoy a normal day. Despite the fact the festival has had to fence itself off and deploy Xray machines. And despite the fact the officers intercepted the killer within 60 seconds of him starting he still managed to murder 4 people and injure a further 20.


Seems like your opening post is a mockery of the reality of living and working in the US . A place where you have to be afraid to send your kids to school. You have to be afraid to fill up with gas and you have to be afraid to go on a family day out to a festival or a concert.


Beautiful .... Just beautiful

Yes it was tragic, but some of your post needs to be corrected for clarity. Best not to make a bad situation worse with untruths.

The gun used was not an AK-47, but an SKS.

It was not an assault rifle.. those that can be set for automatic or semiautomatic fire. It was a semi-automatic – one fire for one trigger pull. It was the same rifle a Bernie Sanders supporter used to try and kill GOP House members playing softball.

And no, the US is not a place where you have to be afraid to send our kids to school, fill up with gas, or be afraid to go on a family day out. Yes, this type of sad event can happen in a free society, but we are not consumed by that fact. I’d say most of us are much more afraid going into some of our worst urban areas.

And it is beautiful, there is no other country I'd rather live and raise my family.

NKante

Overheal wrote: »

You don’t appear to know what extrapolation is.

Extend the application of, beyond the US alone.

Maybe take an evening class or something, you muppet.

Overheal

Oh I’ve taken a few, hence I know you’re still misunderstanding the term.

circadian

It doesn't really matter what kind of gun was used. Several people are dead including a 6 year old child. These kinds of incidents are far too frequent for a developed country, disproportionately so. Nice work in turning this into a partisan issue too, it really is in every US citizens best interest to have an honest discussion about gun laws and violence without bringing political parties into it.

mad muffin

circadian wrote: »

It doesn't really matter what kind of gun was used. Several people are dead including a 6 year old child. These kinds of incidents are far too frequent for a developed country, disproportionately so. Nice work in turning this into a partisan issue too, it really is in every US citizens best interest to have an honest discussion about gun laws and violence without bringing political parties into it.

Not possible. If you don’t like the second amendment, the you need to elect people who will repeal it. But no one not one of them. Not even after they say we must do something about gun reform will run on that platform.

NKante

circadian wrote: »

It doesn't really matter what kind of gun was used. Several people are dead including a 6 year old child. These kinds of incidents are far too frequent for a developed country, disproportionately so. Nice work in turning this into a partisan issue too, it really is in every US citizens best interest to have an honest discussion about gun laws and violence without bringing political parties into it.

It's a culture problem more than a gun problem.

And the genie is out of the bottle in terms of guns anyway. There 300+ million guns in circulation and that's just the ones they know about.

No government is going to go door to door with a SWAT team across the whole of the US to confiscate guns.

The culture needs to shift. Other countries have fairly high gun use and much fewer murders.

Also these mass shootings pale into insignificance in terms of numbers killed, compared to inner city violence.

Overheal

mad muffin wrote: »

Not possible. If you don’t like the second amendment, the you need to elect people who will repeal it. But no one not one of them. Not even after they say we must do something about gun reform will run on that platform.

Repealing the 2nd Amendment is not a prerequisite for gun regulation or a conversation thereof. This is a simple truth verified with Supreme Court precedent.

notobtuse

circadian wrote: »

It doesn't really matter what kind of gun was used. Several people are dead including a 6 year old child. These kinds of incidents are far too frequent for a developed country, disproportionately so. Nice work in turning this into a partisan issue too, it really is in every US citizens best interest to have an honest discussion about gun laws and violence without bringing political parties into it.

Yes it matters, because people believe the lies and take action based on lies. Nothing beyond total gun confiscation would put a dent into these infrequent type of things... and even then bad people would still have a way of getting their hands on guns. It is a political issue... Democrats want to take away your rights and republicans believe in maintaining your rights, under the US Constitution. The only result of a gun confiscation would be that only bad guys would have guns and good guys won't have a way to protect themselves or others.

Overheal

notobtuse wrote: »

republicans believe in maintaining your rights, under the US Constitution.

Gosh that really explains the anti abortion push and keeping kids in cages

batgoat

mad muffin wrote: »

Not possible. If you don’t like the second amendment, the you need to elect people who will repeal it. But no one not one of them. Not even after they say we must do something about gun reform will run on that platform.

And I would say that's more a depressing reflection of their society than anything else. Not making a single step of progression in relation to spree shootings over twenty years..

circadian

mad muffin wrote: »

Not possible. If you don’t like the second amendment, the you need to elect people who will repeal it. But no one not one of them. Not even after they say we must do something about gun reform will run on that platform.

So this is a prerequisite for an open and honest discussion about guns? Like I said, without bringing politics into it and not some sort of partisan tit for tat.

notobtuse wrote: »

Yes it matters, because people believe the lies and take action based on lies. Nothing beyond total gun confiscation would put a dent into these infrequent type of things... and even then bad people would still have a way of getting their hands on guns. It is a political issue... Democrats want to take away your rights and republicans believe in maintaining your rights, under the US Constitution. The only result of a gun confiscation would be that only bad guys would have guns and good guys won't have a way to protect themselves or others.

They are far from infrequent. A gun is a gun and as it stands its far too easy to get your hands on them in the USA. I'm very familiar with firearms, I've been shooting on numerous occasions in the US. I grew up in Northern Ireland at the height of the troubles, I've seen the devastation a shooting can cause.

Even in comparison to the Troubles, shooting sprees in America are far from infrequent.

mad muffin

Overheal wrote: »

Gosh that really explains the anti abortion push and keeping kids in cages

Now if that isn’t the quintessential definition of an oxymoron. Then I don’t know what oxymoron means.

Overheal

mad muffin wrote: »

Now if that isn’t the quintessential definition of an oxymoron. Then I don’t know what oxymoron means.

Unless you're discussing the oxymoronic juxtaposition of the rightwing to a) keep children in cages for weeks at a time, starve them, leave them vulnerable to sexual assault, etc. and b) argue for the moral right to life of a clump of cells affectionately referred to as a "baby." Otherwise, you might not know what the term means.

JohnMc1

NKante wrote: »

It's a culture problem more than a gun problem.

And the genie is out of the bottle in terms of guns anyway. There 300+ million guns in circulation and that's just the ones they know about.

No government is going to go door to door with a SWAT team across the whole of the US to confiscate guns.

The culture needs to shift. Other countries have fairly high gun use and much fewer murders.

Also these mass shootings pale into insignificance in terms of numbers killed, compared to inner city violence.

It is a Culture and Morality issue and not a gun issue. There's actually less guns in the Us then there were in the 50s and 60s. There were less guns crimes back then because people were brought up to value and respect life. Unlike today's society.

notobtuse

batgoat wrote: »

And I would say that's more a depressing reflection of their society than anything else. Not making a single step of progression in relation to spree shootings over twenty years..

We have thousands of gun laws. The problem has more to do with mental illness.

There are about 20,000 different gun laws on the books in the US with about 300 of them considered "relevant” federal and state laws regarding the manufacture, design, sale, purchase, or possession of guns. It is currently crazy that I need to understand the gun laws in every freaking town and city before transporting mine. And don't even think about going from one state to another with one in the car. The problem is all these gun laws do is keep law abiding citizens from being able to protect themselves. Criminals and those intent on doing harm couldn't care less about the law.

mad muffin

circadian wrote: »

So this is a prerequisite for an open and honest discussion about guns? Like I said, without bringing politics into it and not some sort of partisan tit for tat.



They are far from infrequent. A gun is a gun and as it stands its far too easy to get your hands on them in the USA. I'm very familiar with firearms, I've been shooting on numerous occasions in the US. I grew up in Northern Ireland at the height of the troubles, I've seen the devastation a shooting can cause.

Even in comparison to the Troubles, shooting sprees in America are far from infrequent.

You can’t. It’s in The American constitution.

Besides look. Take away the guns and the criminals will still get guns. Even if they can’t. They’ll get knives. London for the first time has a higher murder rate than NYC.

Why do all these mass killing only happen in States where they have the strictest gun laws?

Look at the earlier figures I gave. There were 15 deaths from gun crime in Chicago and Baltimore with even more wounded they have some of the toughest gun laws.

mad muffin

Overheal wrote: »

Unless you're discussing the oxymoronic juxtaposition of the rightwing to a) keep children in cages for weeks at a time, starve them, leave them vulnerable to sexual assault, etc. and b) argue for the moral right to life of a clump of cells affectionately referred to as a "baby." Otherwise, you might not know what the term means.

Badda bing. Badda boom. Thank you very much and good night… mic dropped.

Overheal

JohnMc1 wrote: »

It is a Culture and Morality issue and not a gun issue. There's actually less guns in the Us then there were in the 50s and 60s. There were less guns crimes back then because people were brought up to value and respect life. Unlike today's society.

You must have a fantastic source for that - given that I already know it's bull****.