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US congresswoman states America should be "more fearful of white men"

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    #662
    Overheal
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    mad muffin wrote: »
    Badda bing. Badda boom. Thank you very much and good night… mic dropped.

    I'm somewhat amused, I point out an inherent flaw in your ideology and you spin around on the floor yelling wowowowowowooowowwooooo


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    #663
    TeaBagMania
    Registered Users Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭TeaBagMania


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Criminals and those intent on doing harm couldn't care less about the law.

    Exactly, and the dems dont get it... you think the criminal gives a crap about the high capacity magazine ban?
    Do you think the want-a-be mass killer is going to stop in their tracks because the weapon they're using is illegal in the state?

    nope


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    #664
    NKante
    Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    It is a Culture and Morality issue and not a gun issue. There's actually less guns in the Us then there were in the 50s and 60s. There were less guns crimes back then because people were brought up to value and respect life. Unlike today's society.

    I wonder if it's partly the erosion of religion and church-orientated communities.

    Something shifted.

    Have you noticed just about every American film needs scenes with guns. Even if it's a comedy. Don't want to sound like I'm 80 years old "in my day" type, but I wonder how much rap and constant gun violence in film has had an effect.


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    #665
    Overheal
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    TeaBagMania wrote: »
    Exactly, and the dems dont get it... you think the criminal gives a crap about the high capacity magazine ban?
    Do you think the want-a-be mass killer is going to stop in their tracks because the weapon they're using is illegal in the state?

    nope

    You have convinced me: we don’t need immigration laws because illegals don’t follow the law anyway


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    #666
    Tell me how
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    NKante wrote: »
    I wonder if it's partly the erosion of religion and church-orientated communities.

    Something shifted.

    Have you noticed just about every American film needs scenes with guns. Even if it's a comedy. Don't want to sound like I'm 80 years old "in my day" type, but I wonder how much rap and constant gun violence in film has had an effect.

    Yeah, the Western movies of the early to mid 20th century were notable for the absence of any violence.


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    #667
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    circadian wrote: »
    They are far from infrequent. A gun is a gun and as it stands its far too easy to get your hands on them in the USA. I'm very familiar with firearms, I've been shooting on numerous occasions in the US. I grew up in Northern Ireland at the height of the troubles, I've seen the devastation a shooting can cause.

    Even in comparison to the Troubles, shooting sprees in America are far from infrequent.
    Shooting sprees are infrequent in relation to the number of deaths and shootings in the US... unless you're talking about drive-by shootings in mostly urban areas with strict gun laws. But the dems and media use them to try and take away your rights and make money through viewership. I'm very familiar with firearms also, I have five. Between close family members... hundreds. Not a single death, or crime between them... go figure! How is that possible you might ask? No one with mental illness has any and we're law abiding folk.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    NKante
    Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Yeah, the Western movies of the early to mid 20th century were notable for the absence of any violence.

    That was different innit. That was like historical depicting the wild west. It was wild because people shot each other and that native mob were scalping folk.

    The new gun violence is about people holding their Glock sideways and popping caps. Making it 'cool'.


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    #669
    Overheal
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Shooting sprees are infrequent in relation to the number of deaths and shootings in the US... unless you're talking about drive-by shootings in mostly urban areas with strict gun laws. But the dems and media use them to try and take away your rights and make money through viewership. I'm very familiar with firearms also, I have five. Between close family members... hundreds. Not a single death, or crime between them... go figure! How is that possible you might ask? No one with mental illness has any and we're law abiding folk.

    So our mass shootings don’t matter because there are so many more other gun homicides so so what?

    You guys that’s the solution! Let’s make mass shootings irrelevant by encouraging people to just commit more one-off murders, then it will be statistically insignificant! Genius!


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    #670
    notobtuse
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    Overheal wrote: »
    So our mass shootings don’t matter because there are so many more other gun homicides so so what?

    You guys that’s the solution! Let’s make mass shootings irrelevant by encouraging people to just commit more one-off murders, then it will be statistically insignificant! Genius!
    Sadly, comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong point. Perhaps reading, and rereading what I actually post, over and over again, might help. Cheers.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #671
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    NKante wrote: »
    I wonder if it's partly the erosion of religion and church-orientated communities.

    Something shifted.

    Have you noticed just about every American film needs scenes with guns. Even if it's a comedy. Don't want to sound like I'm 80 years old "in my day" type, but I wonder how much rap and constant gun violence in film has had an effect.

    Scarface, Public Enemy Number One, The Big Heat. All just a sample of the gangster films from 30s to the fifties, all had lots of guns and they were all incredibly popular. How do you think James Cagney became a big name? So films are not the reason for spree shooting, Canada is equally exposed to US media and doesn't have the same issues.

    If I were to consider reasons why spree shootings are so common in the US. The mental health services are not readily available or affordable for that matter. The US also has an increasingly paranoid attachment to guns. The NRA take advantage of that, it increases their sales, the likes of Alex Jones and co push that even further. Hence getting the increase in militant survivalist groups.

    The fact that actually regulating gun ownership, providing healthcare etc is so anathema to the US is a far more horrifying reflection of the value certain things hold over everything else.


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    #672
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Yeah, the Western movies of the early to mid 20th century were notable for the absence of any violence.

    That a fair comment I’ll grant you that. But you must agree. The collapse o the family unit. Especially in Africa. American communities must have a contributing factor.


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    #673
    notobtuse
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    batgoat wrote: »
    Scarface, Public Enemy Number One, The Big Heat. All just a sample of the gangster films from 30s to the fifties, all had lots of guns and they were all incredibly popular. How do you think James Cagney became a big name? So films are not the reason for spree shooting, Canada is equally exposed to US media and doesn't have the same issues.

    If I were to consider reasons why spree shootings are so common in the US. The mental health services are not readily available or affordable for that matter. The US also has an increasingly paranoid attachment to guns. The NRA take advantage of that, it increases their sales, the likes of Alex Jones and co push that even further. Hence getting the increase in militant survivalist groups.
    Take some time to see what the real influence by the NRA is. I believe you will be sadly disappointed by the outcome. Last year I believe they gave $873,071 to politicians... a drop in the basket compared to other organizations. You'll have to find some other big bad boogieman. The real power of the NRA comes from the individuals who are members and vote.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #674
    batgoat
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    mad muffin wrote: »
    That a fair comment I’ll grant you that. But you must agree. The collapse o the family unit. Especially in Africa. American communities must have a contributing factor.

    Most spree shootings are perpetrated by white people....


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    #675
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    batgoat wrote: »
    Most spree shootings are perpetrated by white people....


    Hmmm. Hmmm indeed. Yes very… how do we put it?…

    So I showed you the statistics and still. Still ya just want to keep up the spin…

    You know when you keep spouting that kind of nonsense and ignore what’s happening in the African American communities. You get places like Baltimore.


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    #676
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    batgoat wrote: »
    Most spree shootings are perpetrated by white people....
    No. If you include drive-by shooting or gang-related shootings (because they should be as they're done to take out multiple people and create mass destruction), then your statement doesn't hold water.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #677
    lawlolawl
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    Overheal wrote: »
    So our mass shootings don’t matter because there are so many more other gun homicides so so what?

    You guys that’s the solution! Let’s make mass shootings irrelevant by encouraging people to just commit more one-off murders, then it will be statistically insignificant! Genius!


    A mass shooting that kills 5 or 6 people will get nationwide media coverage for days.


    An average weekend in Chicago with 3 or 4 times as many shootings won't even be mentioned.


    Why do you think that is?


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    The Enbalmer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭The Enbalmer


    Wasn't it Trotsky who first invented the word "racist"? A fcucking leftist degenerate who never worked a day in his life .


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    #679
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Hmmm. Hmmm indeed. Yes very… how do we put it?…

    So I showed you the statistics and still. Still ya just want to keep up the spin…

    You know when you keep spouting that kind of nonsense and ignore what’s happening in the African American communities. You get places like Baltimore.

    Are you disputing that spree shootings are primarily perpetrated by white people? You could try to treat people with respect btw. Here's the stats btw.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/


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    #680
    Overheal
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    lawlolawl wrote: »
    A mass shooting that kills 5 or 6 people will get nationwide media coverage for days.


    An average weekend in Chicago with 3 or 4 times as many shootings won't even be mentioned.


    Why do you think that is?

    Why do you think that is?


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    #681
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    mad muffin wrote: »
    You can’t. It’s in The American constitution.

    Besides look. Take away the guns and the criminals will still get guns. Even if they can’t. They’ll get knives. London for the first time has a higher murder rate than NYC.

    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/03/20/lies-damned-lies-and-statistics-why-londons-murder-rate-is-not-higher-than-nycs/


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    #682
    hetuzozaho
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    lawlolawl wrote: »
    A mass shooting that kills 5 or 6 people will get nationwide media coverage for days.


    An average weekend in Chicago with 3 or 4 times as many shootings won't even be mentioned.


    Why do you think that is?

    Yes I wonder why that it is.....


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    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    batgoat wrote: »
    Are you disputing that spree shootings are primarily perpetrated by white people? You could try to treat people with respect btw. Here's the stats btw.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
    More accurate statistics would indicate that spree shootings are not primarily perpetrated by white people.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/23/mass-shootings-tracker-analysis-us-gun-control-reddit

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #684
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    Wasn't it Trotsky who first invented the word "racist"? A fcucking leftist degenerate who never worked a day in his life .


    Origin of the term
    How and when the term racism first gained widespread adoption is debated. There are isolated uses of the term racism from c. 1900, with the first recorded use in 1902 in a quote by Richard Henry Pratt.[16] Other terms like racialist (1910), racialism (1882), race hatred (19c) and negrophobia (19c) were in use even earlier.[17] The term Racism itself entered widespread use in 1936.[18]

    While most early use of the word was in the context of Nazi Theories, some point to Leon Trotsky's early use of the word as evidence the term has widespread origins as a political weapon used by far-left Communist ideologues in order to create division. A theory predictably popularized by online wingnut vanguards and 'race realists' such as Stefan Molyneux.[19] It is based on the fact that, in 1930, Trotsky used the word "rasisti" in his text The History of the Russian Revolution,[20] and the term "racism" appears to have gained widespread use later in the same decade.[21]

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Racism#Origin_of_the_term


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    #685
    Overheal
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    More accurate statistics would indicate that spree shootings are not primarily perpetrated by white people.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/23/mass-shootings-tracker-analysis-us-gun-control-reddit

    Sadly, comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong point. Perhaps reading, and rereading the article you posted, over and over again, might help. Cheers.


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    #686
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    notobtuse wrote: »
    More accurate statistics would indicate that spree shootings are not primarily perpetrated by white people.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/23/mass-shootings-tracker-analysis-us-gun-control-reddit

    That article makes no mention of the ethnicity of mass shooting perpetrators.


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    #687
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,991 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Yes it was tragic, but some of your post needs to be corrected for clarity. Best not to make a bad situation worse with untruths.

    The gun used was not an AK-47, but an SKS.

    It was not an assault rifle.. those that can be set for automatic or semiautomatic fire. It was a semi-automatic – one fire for one trigger pull. It was the same rifle a Bernie Sanders supporter used to try and kill GOP House members playing softball.

    And no, the US is not a place where you have to be afraid to send our kids to school, fill up with gas, or be afraid to go on a family day out. Yes, this type of sad event can happen in a free society, but we are not consumed by that fact. I’d say most of us are much more afraid going into some of our worst urban areas.

    And it is beautiful, there is no other country I'd rather live and raise my family.

    44 per cent of Americans responded to a survey if you know someone who has been shot.

    America is a crock.its been a crock for years and will continue to be that way with its ever increasing polarisation and daily and hourly increasing wealth divide.

    The notion that it's a country that people don't fear to send their kids to school is a lie. The daily news feed is fear. There are more guns in circulation in the US than at any point in history regardless of the crap about less households owning guns that's just s skewed statistic.

    The amount of disingenuous guff in this thread is laughable frankly.

    What other country on earth is flooded with guns has as many mass shootings monthly and has 44 percent of people knowing someone that has been shot.


    Incredible hoops folks will go through to convince others when all evidence points to the opposite.



    It's a people problem... It's a culture problem it's a yada yada yada.

    A 19 year old can walk in a buy a weapon that can take out hundreds of life's in ten minutes. It's a culture problem...


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    #688
    Danzy
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    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    Wasn't it Trotsky who first invented the word "racist"? A fcucking leftist degenerate who never worked a day in his life .

    A mass murdering degenerate who would have put Stalin to shame when it came to killing.


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    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    alastair wrote: »
    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/03/20/lies-damned-lies-and-statistics-why-londons-murder-rate-is-not-higher-than-nycs/
    There was a short stretch in early 2018 in which there were fewer than expected murders in New York City and an unusually high number of murders in London. This occurred in February and March of 2018.

    From your own link.


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    #690
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,500 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    mad muffin wrote: »
    From your own link.

    So 2 anomalous months. So your claim is only correct for those 2 prior months.


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    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Danzy wrote: »
    A mass murdering degenerate who would have put Stalin to shame when it came to killing.

    It entered popular mainstream as a result of the rise of Nazism. It was used in a text by Trotsky but there's no indication that it related in the slightest to the eventual widespread usage of it.


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