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US congresswoman states America should be "more fearful of white men"

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    #692
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    notobtuse wrote: »
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/23/mass-shootings-tracker-analysis-us-gun-control-reddit

    15 mass shootings in Baltimore in 2015 and not one solved. :eek:


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    #693
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,501 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    15 mass shootings in Baltimore in 2015 and not one solved. :eek:

    Hardly surprising. Don't go looking up the closure rate for homicide cases if you don't want to be depressed.


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    #694
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,501 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Hmmm. Hmmm indeed. Yes very… how do we put it?…

    So I showed you the statistics and still. Still ya just want to keep up the spin…

    You know when you keep spouting that kind of nonsense and ignore what’s happening in the African American communities. You get places like Baltimore.

    What is the point of such a post of not to stoke the fire and fan the flames of division?


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    #695
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,592 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Overheal wrote: »
    What is the point of such a post of not to stoke the fire and fan the flames of division?

    ICWYDT :D


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    #696
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    alastair wrote: »
    That article makes no mention of the ethnicity of mass shooting perpetrators.
    Yes, you are correct. But common sense dictates that since drive-by shootings and gang-related shootings disproportionately take people of color lives, and that these actions are usually cause by those of the same ethnic character, then it only goes to show most are not committed by whites. Brain power, people… brain power!

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #697
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,501 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Yes, you are correct. But common sense dictates that since drive-by shootings and gang-related shootings disproportionately take people of color lives, and that these actions are usually cause by those of the same ethnic character, then it only goes to shows most are not committed by whites. Brain power, people… brain power!

    Except the data does not show that the perpetrators of the shootings are the same ethnicities as the victim. As just mentioned, the vast majority of gun homicides go unsolved - a perpetrator is never identified. I could as easily argue as you (both of us respectively without evidence) that most of these black Americans are killed by white supremacists wearing blackface.


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    #698
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    Overheal wrote: »
    Except the data does not show that the perpetrator of the shootings are the same ethnicities as the victim. As just mentioned, the vast majority of gun homicides go unsolved - a perpetrator is never identified. I could as easily argue as you (both of us respectively without evidence) that most of these black Americans are killed by white supremacists wearing blackface.

    You could but you know it's bull crap.


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    #699
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,501 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    You could but you know it's bull crap.

    Actually, we don’t know. Until we catch them, we will never know for sure. It’s only as much bullcrap as assuming only black people shoot black people.


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    #700
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    You could but you know it's bull crap.
    WORD!

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #701
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    Overheal wrote: »
    Actually, we don’t know. Until we catch them, we will never know for sure. It’s only as much bullcrap as assuming only black people shoot black people.

    That's just being a silly bugger. Stats show that whites kill more whites than blacks and blacks kill more blacks than whites.

    What's bullcrap is what your suggestion and you know it.


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    #702
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,501 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    notobtuse wrote: »
    WORD!

    Indeed, it is bullcrap to claim that people are only murdered by perps of the same ethnicity.


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    #703
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,501 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    That's just being a silly bugger. Stats show that whites kill more whites than blacks and blacks kill more blacks than whites.

    What's bullcrap is what your suggestion and you know it.

    Among closed cases? Where are your figures?

    Far fewer than half of shooting cases get closed. We therefore have severely deficient data to support the generalization in bold. In most, a suspect is never even identified.

    edit: https://www.thetrace.org/2019/01/gun-murder-solve-rate-understaffed-police-data-analysis/


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    #704
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Overheal wrote: »
    What is the point of such a post of not to stoke the fire and fan the flames of division?

    How’s that?


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    #705
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    Overheal wrote: »
    Indeed, it is bullcrap to claim that people are only murdered by perps of the same ethnicity.

    That's just waffle, why would anyone think that?


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    #706
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,501 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    That's just waffle, why would anyone think that?

    I think you two should meet:
    notobtuse wrote: »
    Yes, you are correct. But common sense dictates that since drive-by shootings and gang-related shootings disproportionately take people of color lives, and that these actions are usually cause by those of the same ethnic character, then it only goes to show most are not committed by whites. Brain power, people… brain power!


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    #707
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    Overheal wrote: »
    I think you two should meet:


    I don't get it?


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    #708
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Overheal wrote: »
    I think you two should meet:
    Usually
    In the way that most often happens.

    Forgive him, Father, for he knows not what he speaks of.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #709
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,417 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Overheal wrote: »
    Among closed cases? Where are your figures?

    Far fewer than half of shooting cases get closed. We therefore have severely deficient data to support the generalization in bold. In most, a suspect is never even identified.

    edit: https://www.thetrace.org/2019/01/gun-murder-solve-rate-understaffed-police-data-analysis/

    A suspect may not be identified to the individual person, and the majority even if identified, may never be proven with enough evidence, but if the witnesses all say “suspect was a white male” or whatever, I think that’s a reasonable enough data point for these purposes.


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    #710
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,501 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Usually
    In the way that most often happens.

    Forgive him, Father, for he knows not what he speaks of.

    "Usually," he cowers behind. Again, based on what factoids?

    Again, more than half of gun violence goes unsolved, with no perp identified.

    Again, I can equally assert that "usually" black victims are shot and killed by white supremacists in blackface.


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    #711
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,501 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    A suspect may not be identified to the individual person, and the majority even if identified, may never be proven with enough evidence, but if the witnesses all say “suspect was a white male” or whatever, I think that’s a reasonable enough data point for these purposes.

    Where are such datapoints.

    Does it rule out the possibility it is white murderers disguised with blackface?


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    #712
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Yes it was from Forbes... (take notice to the map, thank you very much). Perhaps best to do some homework before playing with the big boys.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2019/04/15/mapping-san-franciscos-human-waste-challenge-132562-case-reports-since-2008/#667182305ea5




    So a American business magazine is considered to have a right wing slant? Perhaps, but would that mean anti-business entities are left wing? Viva la socialism, eh?
    Adam Andrzejewski (say: Angie-eff-ski) is the CEO & Founder of OpenTheBooks.com

    Oh hello literally the bottom of the opinion piece. If you're "playing with the big boys" I'd wonder if that's just a perspective issue for you.


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    #713
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Forgive him, Father, for he knows not what he speaks of.

    Guys, this guy is really smart ok. He must have taken like a night class or something! :eek:


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    #714
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    mad muffin wrote: »
    From your own link.

    That’s pretty disingenuous - trying to pass off a brief aberration as the norm.
    According to New York’s figures, there were 295 murders in 2018. This yields a murder rate of 3.42 per 100,000 population in 2018.

    According to London figures, there were 128 murders in 2018 in the London Metropolitan Police boroughs of Greater London, i.e. everything except the City. The Daily Mail claimed a total number of murders in greater London as 134, and the Telegraph also repeated this figure. This figure of 134 includes one murder from the City of London. I cannot account for the discrepancy between the 128 and 133 figures for the Metropolitan Police. However, assuming the higher figure of 134 murders as correct, the murder rate for London for 2018 is 1.52 per 100,000 population.


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    #715
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Overheal wrote: »
    What is the point of such a post of not to stoke the fire and fan the flames of division?

    What a coincidence, that's exactly what I thought when I read Omar's tweet saying Trump 'wants every black and brown person deported'. She knows that ain't true and so why would she say it if not wanting to surf the waves of division.


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    #716
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    alastair wrote: »
    That’s pretty disingenuous - trying to pass off a brief aberration as the norm.

    Who said it was the norm?

    I think you are the one being disingenuous.


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    #717
    briany
    Registered Users Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭briany


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    No I just have a deeper perception of the reality.

    You have a good brain and you say a lot of things.

    You also appear to have much time on your hands, racking up a post count in 3 months that it takes other users years to do.

    What is it with these busy beavers of posters who've only signed up recently and already have a tonne of posts? Coincidence?


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    #718
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Who said it was the norm?

    I think you are the one being disingenuous.

    You did. And nope - it’s you alright.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110838302&postcount=659


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    #719
    TeaBagMania
    Registered Users Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭TeaBagMania


    Overheal wrote: »
    You have convinced me: we don’t need immigration laws because illegals don’t follow the law anyway

    Yes, comparing laws that infringe upon our constitutional rights is the same as immigration laws :rolleyes:

    although, if we had a wall manned by military personnel and high caliber weapons we might not need those immigration laws


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    #720
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    alastair wrote: »
    You did. And nope - it’s you alright.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110838302&postcount=659

    What exactly are you trying to point out?


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    #721
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    mad muffin wrote: »
    What exactly are you trying to point out?
    mad muffin wrote:
    London for the first time has a higher murder rate than NYC.

    No it doesn’t. It’s far lower. You’re attempting to pass off a one-time aberration as the new norm. You’re being disingenuous. This isn’t rocket science. You know what you’re doing, and you know what I’m pointing out.


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