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US congresswoman states America should be "more fearful of white men"

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    #1142
    Overheal
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    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    That should be copied and pasted every time steddy brings up that topic.

    Still needs fact checking and is again misleading; median values are more often referenced.


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    #1143
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    That should be copied and pasted every time steddy brings up that topic.

    In those "rich" states that are democrat controlled, the "Rich" are often referred to as the "House Poor."

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1144
    Overheal
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    In those "rich" states that are democrat controlled, the "Rich" are often referred to as the "House Poor."

    I take it you don’t actually intend to supply the median values or the link that you use to source those values?


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    #1145
    Overheal
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Is US dollars...

    Rich:
    Average salary in New Jersey $64,621. Average cost of home in New Jersey $300,000. Average property tax bill in New Jersey $8,690.

    Poor:
    Average salary in Mississippi $43,529. Average cost of home in Mississippi $98,000. Average property tax bill in Mississippi $508.

    Now... who is really rich and who is really poor?

    It’s still Republican states.

    These bean counters did the math for us adjusting for inflation and consumer cost of living indices that find that indeed, Republican states are poorer, both earning less and affording disproportionately less, having worse spending power.

    http://money.com/money/5177566/average-income-every-state-real-value/

    Also: median income in MS is $42k, NJ is $76.5k. Actually shows more than half of NJ households are quite well off.


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    #1146
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    That should be copied and pasted every time steddy brings up that topic.

    SW if you actually look into this stuff you'll be in for a surprise. They're not just the poorest states. They have the lowest quality of life, education and health care. Before you say anything of course there are outliers. California has relatively low access to health care but you don't base your life choices based on the outliers do you?
    On the low end of the scale it's Mississippi. They rank just 3.81 out of 10 with an average life expectancy of 75, 76% of the student aged population (3-24) are in school and only 12% with a bachelor's degree. Just 7% of the state have advanced degrees and 19% have less than a high school education. That state is run by Republicans except for one Democrat in the House of Representatives.


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    #1147
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    So guys just to ask. A few of you have been lamenting the possibility that the Democrats would take power and "screw the economy". So we know that Republicans control 18/19 (94%) of the poorest states in America with the worst quality of life in terms of education, health and life span.

    Where in the name of "grab them by the p"ssy" are you getting your information from? Where did you get the idea that the ones running the richest states with the best quality of life will ruin the economy?


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    #1148
    Outlaw Pete
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    Overheal wrote: »
    I think you were right about gullible conservatives, Steddyeddy
    Ah now, you're hardly one to talk about anyone being gullible as only the past week you were saying it was "troubling" that Trump called himself the 'chosen one' when he clearly said it tongue in cheek ffs. Troubling :P

    Oh and liberals all bought into the Russian Collusion Hoax with little or no evidence of it and many still do. All going around talking about pee tapes and the like. You can't get more gullible than that.


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    #1149
    notobtuse
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    So guys just to ask. A few of you have been lamenting the possibility that the Democrats would take power and "screw the economy". So we know that Republicans control 18/19 (94%) of the poorest states in America with the worst quality of life in terms of education, health and life span.

    Where in the name of "grab them by the p"ssy" are you getting your information from? Where did you get the idea that the ones running the richest states with the best quality of life will ruin the economy?
    Because Democrats love to tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend… and are fond of massive job killing regulations. Are any of the democrat hopefuls promising anything different then these?

    If I'm wrong please provide me with how any of the cookie cutter candidates are proposing anything different.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1150
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Because Democrats love to tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend… and are fond of massive job killing regulations. Are any of the democrat hopefuls promising anything different then these?

    If I'm wrong please provide me with how any of the cookie cutter candidates are proposing anything different.

    And do you know why I haven't got a problem with tax N? It's because it's working!

    Democrat states are richer with a better quality of life and Republican states are the opposite.


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    #1151
    Overheal
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    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Ah now, you're hardly one to talk about anyone being gullible as only the past week you were saying it was "troubling" that Trump called himself the 'chosen one' when he clearly said it tongue in cheek ffs. Troubling :P
    Uh, Jury is still out on that. The POTUS doesn't get to joke around from that platform about things like 'I am the Chosen One,' etc. more than he does, 'Steal the land and I will pardon you,' to build a wall.
    Oh and liberals all bought into the Russian Collusion Hoax with little or no evidence of it and many still do. All going around talking about pee tapes and the like. You can't get more gullible than that.

    Collusion was not disproved. Obstruction of Justice was substantiated. Activity from Russia was substantiated.

    Something becomes forever labeled a 'hoax' when it is definitively disproved to be plausible - eg. Ashley Todd hoax.


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    #1152
    Overheal
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Because Democrats love to tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend… and are fond of massive job killing regulations. Are any of the democrat hopefuls promising anything different then these?

    If I'm wrong please provide me with how any of the cookie cutter candidates are proposing anything different.

    There's another drone mantra.

    Republicans cut taxes then imposed tariffs - paid by the same people who, incidentally, pay tax. Since 1995, Republicans have had majority control of both chambers of congress all but 10 of those 24 years, and 6 of those years were a split house where Republicans couldn't work across the aisle; in 5 of those years the GOP controlled all 3 branches of government for f'sake. Only in 4 out of 24 years have Democrats controlled enough of Congress to dictate what went into the spending bill, but the GOP drones have the gall to lay the blame at the feet of Democrats for the tax code and spending of the country? That, is grade B horse****.


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    #1153
    batgoat
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    She's in trouble. And she knows it. Using campaign funds to pay for trips for her bit on the side.

    Think is, a rumour is transformed into a legitimation of unethical treatment.. Which is all kinds of dumb.
    notobtuse wrote: »
    If allegations are correct relations BEFORE taking office... unlike Bill Clinton, Lyndon B Johnson and John F Kennedy who seemingly treated the oval office as their private sex dens.

    The weirdest thing is, you really seem to think Trump can be treated as if he's classy, given all the **** he has done... While president.


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    #1154
    steddyeddy
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    Anyway let's hope the Democrats don't get their hands on more states in America or else they'll end up like Republican states!


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    #1155
    notobtuse
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    batgoat wrote: »
    The weirdest thing is, you really seem to think Trump can be treated as if he's classy, given all the **** he has done... While president.
    I never implied Trump was classy. I just pointed out, in response to an attack on Trump here, the one main and importance difference between alleged Trump’s antics and other president’s amorous antics. Trump is a roll around down in the mud scraper. With all the democratic and media grotesque hatred towards GOP presidents that has existed since GW Bush, a bare-knuckle fighter is what is needed. Democrats and the media hate it because they no longer control the entire message stream due to the rise of social media... and why their minions in social media are now working overtime to stifle republican and conservative thought.

    Supposedly, DOJ reports about illegalities by democratic appointees in the FBI and DOJ will be coming out soon. Early reporting suggests all four FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign were illegal, based on false information supplied to the FISA Court. And that that Inspector General Michael Horowitz has concluded that all four FISA warrants were illegal from the get-go. It could potentially go all the way up to Obama, while he was in office during the campaign and directly after Trumps win, if communications between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page turn out to be accurate.

    I’m torn on what to do about Obama if it turns out to be true he used Stalinistic tactics and weaponized the FBI and DOJ against a political opponent. On one hand if criminal charges are brought against Obama it would tear the country apart more than it already has. On the other hand if nothing is done it opens the door to future abuses by presidents knowing Obama got away with it.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1156
    James Brown
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    I never implied Trump was classy. I just pointed out, in response to an attack on Trump here, the one main and importance difference between alleged Trump’s antics and other president’s amorous antics. Trump is a roll around down in the mud scraper. With all the democratic and media grotesque hatred towards GOP presidents that has existed since GW Bush a bare-knuckle fighter is what is needed. And Democrats and the media hate it because they no longer control the entire message stream because of social media... and why their minions in social media are now working overtime to stifle republican and conservative thought.

    Supposedly, DOJ reports about illegalities by democratic appointees in the FBI and DOJ will be coming out soon. Early reporting suggests all four FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign were illegal, based on false information supplied to the FISA Court. And that that Inspector General Michael Horowitz has concluded that all four FISA warrants were illegal from the get-go. It could potentially go all the way up to Obama, while he was in office during the campaign and directly after Trumps win, if communications between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page turn out to be accurate.

    I’m torn on what to do about Obama if it turns out to be true he used Stalinistic tactics and weaponized the FBI and DOJ against a political opponent. On one hand if criminal charges are brought against Obama it would tear the country apart more than it already has. On the other hand if nothing is done it opens the door to future abuses by presidents knowing Obama got away with it.

    By amorous do you mean 'likes getting peed on'?
    I think you mean swamp dwelling, racist, bigoted, spoiled brat, kick you from behind kind of dirty fighter.

    Speaking of insecurity, Obama is gone, get over it already, jeez....


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    #1157
    notobtuse
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    I think you mean swamp dwelling, racist, bigoted, spoiled brat, kick you from behind kind of dirty fighter.

    Speaking of insecurity, Obama is gone, get over it already, jeez....
    Sorry to inform you the statute of limitations on these types of crimes haven’t run out yet. Do you believe in justice?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1158
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Sorry to inform you the statute of limitations on these types of crimes haven’t run out yet. Do you believe in justice?

    I don't care about Obama. He use to be president of a different country. What happens to him will have little effect either way on the world stage. Try score pointless points elsewhere.


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    #1159
    notobtuse
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    By amorous do you mean 'likes getting peed on'?
    I think you mean swamp dwelling, racist, bigoted, spoiled brat, kick you from behind kind of dirty fighter.

    Speaking of insecurity, Obama is gone, get over it already, jeez....
    Doesn't pushing lies ever get tiring?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1160
    notobtuse
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    I don't care about Obama. He use to be president of a different country. What happens to him will have little effect either way on the world stage. Try score pointless points elsewhere.
    Then why are you posting here? Just to score pointless points of your own? Obama's potential illegalities would have a major impact on the 2020 election and therefore would affect the world stage.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1161
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    Just reading up on the Trump affair with the pornstar. Disgraceful carry on really.

    Must be tough for the conservatives* who defend Trump to ignore those things. I guess you just have to as you've picked that team or whatever.

    * as I presume Christian values go hand in hand with that? or is it different? Like would Trump declare his love of the God and the bible etc?


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    #1162
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Doesn't pushing lies ever get tiring?

    Trump or Sarah Saunders might help you there. Or Conway's 'alternative facts'. :)
    Give over.
    Trump and people like you try tell people not to trust the media, like we can trust self interested shills.


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    #1163
    James Brown
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    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    Just reading up on the Trump affair with the pornstar. Disgraceful carry on really.

    Must be tough for the conservatives* who defend Trump to ignore those things. I guess you just have to as you've picked that team or whatever.

    * as I presume Christian values go hand in hand with that? or is it different? Like would Trump declare his love of the God and the bible etc?

    The Evangelical lobby are hypocrites. They'll ignore Trump's many flaws once they get their way. Same with the Republican party. No ethics or morals.


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    #1164
    notobtuse
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    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    Just reading up on the Trump affair with the pornstar. Disgraceful carry on really.

    Must be tough for the conservatives* who defend Trump to ignore those things. I guess you just have to as you've picked that team or whatever.

    * as I presume Christian values go hand in hand with that? or is it different? Like would Trump declare his love of the God and the bible etc?
    Did you suddenly find religion?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1165
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Then why are you posting here? Just to score pointless points of your own? Obama's potential illegalities would have a major impact on the 2020 election and therefore would affect the world stage.

    Calling out propagandist bullcrap. It must confuse you that I'm not backing Obama or Warren etc.
    I don't think anything anyone has done or will do can compete with Trump.


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    #1166
    Overheal
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    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    Just reading up on the Trump affair with the pornstar. Disgraceful carry on really.

    Must be tough for the conservatives* who defend Trump to ignore those things. I guess you just have to as you've picked that team or whatever.

    * as I presume Christian values go hand in hand with that? or is it different? Like would Trump declare his love of the God and the bible etc?

    His love of two corinthians has already been espoused.


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    #1167
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Did you suddenly find religion?

    Hey, some of your own medicine. Hold the dems to a standard you don't hold your own party to, well the Evangelicals and Republican's aren't being very christian or in some cases conservative. Greedy and self involved.


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    #1168
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Did you suddenly find religion?

    I don't get you?


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    #1169
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    The Evangelical lobby are hypocrites. They'll ignore Trump's many flaws once they get their way. Same with the Republican party. No ethics or morals.

    And is Trump considered a conservative?


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    #1170
    James Brown
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    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    And is Trump considered a conservative?

    I don't think they consider him such. He is on the ticket but it's like getting in a ringer. As long as he sits in the WH he's their man. Low grade folk.


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    #1171
    notobtuse
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Hey, some of your own medicine. Hold the dems to a standard you don't hold your own party to, well the Evangelicals and Republican's aren't being very christian or in some cases conservative. Greedy and self involved.
    When have I ever tried to hold Dems to christian values?

    As for some Christians and Evangelical support for Trump I believe they’ve come to terms with accepting the good with the bad. They see a president who acts like a bully but is fighting for them. A president who sees America like they do... a menacing place where Christians feel mocked and threatened for their beliefs. And a president who’s against abortion, and who has the economy humming making life better for everyone. In 2019 almost 70% of Evangelicals approve of Trump’s performance in office.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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