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Ridiculous Moderation on Current Affairs/IMHO

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    #62
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,065 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes Joey. I can.

    Pandering to people is disrespectful. I don't consider a trans woman to be the same as a woman. It's not disrespectful to act accordingly.

    If I self identify as respectful, then would you accept it?

    No

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #63
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,065 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Dehumanised is a strong word, calling a male a male is not dehumanising them. Trans women are being utterly selfish demanding absolute equal rights with women if they were born with a 3 piece suite.
    It's easy wash your hands of JY, she's a pedo nothing to do with us. She's only enforcing the rights trans people fought for. I fully believe you want her to win this case against the women regardless of what you think of her personally.

    Yes dehumanising is a strong word and you even seemed to acknowledge that above. I think you entirely missed the point I made in this discussion. Calling a person "it" is dehumanising. This discussion here is about moderation not JV so I won't discuss that here.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #64
    The Specialist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    Tikki Wang Wang wrote: »
    Could these be considered?


    Ze/Per/Hir/They – Pronouns used in the trans community instead of “he/she” or “him/her.” These pronouns offer inclusion and accuracy for someone who doesn’t identify by the male/female gender classifications. Note: Not all trans people use these pronouns; many use “he” or “she.”

    [Hir: (here) A non-gender specific pronoun used instead of “her” and “him.”

    Sie or Ze: (see or zee) A non-gender specific pronoun used instead of “she” and “he.”

    Ve: (vee) A non-gender specific pronoun used instead of “she” and “he.”]


    https://www.wou.edu/wp/safezone/pronouns/

    Ah no, this isn’t lord of the rings.


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    #65
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,192 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Tikki Wang Wang wrote: »
    Could these be considered?


    Ze/Per/Hir/They – Pronouns used in the trans community instead of “he/she” or “him/her.” These pronouns offer inclusion and accuracy for someone who doesn’t identify by the male/female gender classifications. Note: Not all trans people use these pronouns; many use “he” or “she.”

    [Hir: (here) A non-gender specific pronoun used instead of “her” and “him.”

    Sie or Ze: (see or zee) A non-gender specific pronoun used instead of “she” and “he.”

    Ve: (vee) A non-gender specific pronoun used instead of “she” and “he.”]


    https://www.wou.edu/wp/safezone/pronouns/

    They don't want be be a ze, hir or any other made up words. They want full recognition of their adopted sex and all the rights that grants. That's what they have in Canada and hence there now the laughing stock of the world. Were only 1 clause in legislation from granting full women's rights to transpeople here.
    Were dehumanising, transphobic and being selfish bigots by not granting those rights if your to put on your trans hat.


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    #66
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Zaph wrote: »
    Given that much of this discussion is about a person that you're unlikely ever to meet, why are you taking such an entrenched view on it? How is it going to affect you personally if a person asks that they be referred to as her/she? It's going to have about as much impact on you as if I insisted that you from now on only refer to me as Bob. The only difference is that Bob is not part of my identity, so it really doesn't bother me if you do that or not. But identity is everything to a transgender person, so referring to them by something other than the pronoun that they have chosen for themselves and have asked people to use when referring to them does bother them. Your world isn't going to cave in if you accede to that request, however repeated denials of the request may ultimately cause theirs to collapse as they fight for acceptance. You don't even have to believe that it's the right word to use, but at the end of the day it's just a word that you've been asked to use, so why not use it?

    I don’t accept that vaccinating children is very dangerous.
    Because it’s not dangerous.
    For some people it is literally a matter of life and death that we all accept that vaccines are dangerous.
    But instead of the majority of people capitulating to the ant vaxxers and agreeing with them we stand firm and don’t buy into the craziness.
    Why are we buying into this craziness?!?
    A biological man cannot be a woman any more then “big pharma” are poisoning our kids.
    In fact there’s more logic in the big pharma nonsense.
    It’s not as if pandering to the demands of trans activists is doing them any good.
    Suicide levels are just as terrifying as ever.
    Why have transgender people been singled out for the emperors new clothes treatment?


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    #67
    [Deleted User]
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    ...the emperors new clothes treatment?

    Well put.


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    #68
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,192 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Calling a person "it" is dehumanising. This discussion here is about moderation not JV so I won't discuss that here.

    It's mildly offensive at best. Dehumanising should be saved for things like FGM/C which is something happens to women here and from a conversation I had with an African a few weeks ago it's happening boys too.
    The discussion here is about boards freedom of speech, were told we can't identify a male as male. We've to respect their chosen gender/sex?
    Nobody is calling you an IT, your just Joey here. Your being offended on JY's behalf.

    If I was trans limited to human gender identification only i'd gladly be calling her a man, what the hell do the trans movement want to do with respecting her rights.
    The trans community is very silent on this case. They hate this is the bulldozer to do it with but they want the win all the same.


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    #69
    [Deleted User]
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    Joeytheparrot wrote:
    No

    Well then Joey, you are just as close minded as you try to represent me to be.

    Hypocrisy at its finest.


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    #70
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,065 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    They don't want be be a ze, hir or any other made up words. They want full recognition of their adopted sex and all the rights that grants. That's what they have in Canada and hence there now the laughing stock of the world. Were only 1 clause in legislation from granting full women's rights to transpeople here.
    Were dehumanising, transphobic and being selfish bigots by not granting those rights if your to put on your trans hat.

    What clause are you on about?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #71
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Reported this disgusting post earlier:
    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    Can we get rid of those Gender Studies terms? Why legitimize those terms. Let's call "cisgender" people exactly what they are. Normal and sane.

    Can a mod or admin explain why nothing was done about it?


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    #72
    The Specialist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    Reported this disgusting post earlier:



    Can a mod or admin explain why nothing was done about it?

    There’s nothing “disgusting” about it - it’s 100% fact. Jog on with your offense.


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    #73
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Deleted User wrote: »
    none of your examples map over to instructing people to use what they believe to be the wrong pronouns for others against their wishes.


    I answered the question asked. And it doesn't amp over for you because you don't believe it's an insult, much like those previous words were not considered insults by many, until they were.

    Deleted User wrote: »
    'gender as a protected status' is nonsense word salad in this context.


    Discrimination on the grounds of gender is prohibited under the equal status act.


    Deleted User wrote: »
    this is a topical issue, in no way agreed upon as resolved in our wider society and enforcement of it in this heavyhanded dictat approach is a total misstep from boards.

    do you have to agree to enforce this approach to become/remain a mod of CA/IMHO?


    Not from what I've seen on the thread in question.

    Deleted User wrote: »
    I am referring to a person's biological sex. Not their gender.

    "It" isn't a word I would use. But it's just as accurate as calling a biological man "she". I do respect transgender people. I just disagree that someone who is born a man can ever be a woman or vice versa.


    You quite obviously don't respect transgender people.

    derfderf wrote: »
    There is no scenario where using these terms are acceptable though. "It" is pretty disgusting too. He/She are not insults though. It's not a good comparison.


    Not any more, no.


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    #74
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,192 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

    Can a mod or admin explain why nothing was done about it?

    I'm not a mod but under article 40.6.1 of the constitution they did nothing wrong and neither did anyone in the JY thread.

    Boards policy should be in line with our rights as Irish citizens, it's not.


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    #75
    [Deleted User]
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    Yer Da sells Avon wrote:
    Can a mod or admin explain why nothing was done about it?

    Because that person finds "cis" to be an offensive pronoun to describe themselves.

    Surely you can respect that.


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    #76
    The Specialist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    Reported this disgusting post earlier:



    Can a mod or admin explain why nothing was done about it?

    And I’d put it to you that labeling biological male and females as “cis” is misgendering - men and women end of story.


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    #77
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Because that person finds "cis" to be an offensive pronoun to describe themselves.

    Surely you can respect that.

    I'm sure it's possible to find the term offensive without also feeling the need to claim that transgender people aren't 'normal' or 'sane'.


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    #78
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I'm not a mod but under article 40.6.1 of the constitution they did nothing wrong and neither did anyone in the JY thread.

    Boards policy should be in line with our rights as Irish citizens, it's not.


    There's a clause in that right. "Subject to public order and morality." It also has to be balanced against the other personal rights of citizens. Until the Eqaul Status Act or Gender Recognition Act is found to be unconstitutional, Boards seem to be on the right side of the constitution

    Deleted User wrote: »
    Because that person finds "cis" to be an offensive pronoun to describe themselves.

    Surely you can respect that.


    It's not a pronoun though is it? In any case, I agree with you on that one. I don't see the need for that particular word to be used.


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    #79
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,065 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well then Joey, you are just as close minded as you try to represent me to be.

    Hypocrisy at its finest.

    No I'm not closed minded at all. It's this simple. Refusing to use a trans persons preferred pronouns is disrespectful. You disrespect trans people by refusing to use their pronouns.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #80
    [Deleted User]
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    Yer Da sells Avon wrote:
    I'm sure it's possible to find the term offensive without also feeling the need to claim that transgender people aren't 'normal' or 'sane'.

    Perhaps. Being transgender certainly isn't normal by definition. I can see the problem with sane, although up until recently I believe gender dysphoria was a mental condition (open to correction)

    Are you telling me that transgenderism is now normalised as in it is just as normal for a man to be a woman as it is for a man to be a man?

    Get away.


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    #81
    TCM
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭TCM


    Boards.ie: Niamh wrote:
    The mod asked that users, when referring to Yaniv, use Yaniv's chosen pronouns. This is the correct and most respectful way to address or discuss a trans person - any trans person - by using the pronouns that reflect their own gender identity.


    Any person with male genitalia is a man. Period.


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    #82
    [Deleted User]
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    Joeytheparrot wrote:
    No I'm not closed minded at all. It's this simple. Refusing to use a trans persons preferred pronouns is disrespectful. You disrespect trans people by refusing to use their pronouns.

    Brilliant.

    "No I'm not closed minded at all" followed by "it's this simple, refusing to use a trans persons pronouns is disrespectful"

    Ironically, having no regard for a dissenting opinion... That makes you close minded.

    I don't think it is as simple as you make it out to be. In my opinion, using the correct pronouns when addressing a man or a woman is respectful. Expecting me to change what pronouns I use based on how you see yourself, is disrespectful to me. You call yourself whatever you want, but don't think you can tell me what I can or can't say.

    I don't force trans women to call themselves men, I won't feel pressured into calling them women.

    Some people here object to the word cis when describing their gender. Are you prepared to call people who use that word disrespectful?


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    #83
    The Specialist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    I’ve been banned for a week for stating facts again. Done with boards now, you can keep your echo chamber. Just remember reality is waiting just outside the screen and i for one will now be fighting tooth and nail against any sort of trans acceptance in Ireland. Your moderation does no favors for this group and reality will not be constrained by your woke rules on here.


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    #84
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Refusing to use a trans persons preferred pronouns is disrespectful. You disrespect trans people by refusing to use their pronouns.

    There's merit in the argument that it's disrespectful to refer to someone using a pronoun that they've asked you not to use. However, for a mod to demand that people use the correct pronoun is out of line. It's not factually correct. Or if we're going on a feelings basis, a lot of people feel it's not correct. It's advocating wrongspeak/rightspeak essentially. The instruction should have been to use the preferred pronoun and it should've been a request more than a demand IMHO.


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    #85
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,192 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Refusing to use a trans persons preferred pronouns is disrespectful. You disrespect trans people by refusing to use their pronouns.

    Yet you refer to us as Cis and yourselves as men and women. That's disrespectful as we really don't like it. It offends us you won't use the accepted pronouns.
    We've no right to protest yet you have every right. Were getting banned your not. Trans rights before men, women and children's rights is the order of the day.


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    #86
    [Deleted User]
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    Yer Da sells Avon wrote:
    Reported this disgusting post earlier:

    Yer Da sells Avon wrote:
    Can a mod or admin explain why nothing was done about it?

    Congrats. You got people banned because you didn't like their words. The trans people are safe again. 10 virtue points to you. Not all heroes wear capes.


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    #87
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Congrats. You got people banned because you didn't like their words. The trans people are safe again. 10 virtue points to you. Not all heroes wear capes.

    I didn't get anyone banned. As far as I know, the poster I reported got away with an on-thread warning.

    In any case, you can't 'get' someone banned. You're responsible for what you post.


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    #88
    klaaaz
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    The Specialist wrote: »
    Just remember reality is waiting just outside the screen and i for one will now be fighting tooth and nail against any sort of trans acceptance in Ireland.
    drunkmonkey wrote:
    Were getting banned your not. Trans rights before men, women and children's rights is the order of the day.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Congrats. You got people banned because you didn't like their words. The trans people are safe again. 10 virtue points to you. Not all heroes wear capes.

    The mask has slipped. Ye and others who posted here never had acceptance of transgender people in Ireland in the first place.


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    #89
    jaxxx
    Registered Users Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    No I'm not closed minded at all. It's this simple. Refusing to use a trans persons preferred pronouns is disrespectful. You disrespect trans people by refusing to use their pronouns.


    F*ck their preferred terms, what about basic biology?? I sympathise with people who think they should have been born the opposite gender, really I do, but the reality is you are what you are. Regardless of what engineering you do to your body, the difference is cosmetic only! Your DNA is still the same as you were born as! This isn't closed-minding thinking, it's an understanding of the natural world!! You cannot change your gender anymore than a leopard can change its spots! We do not have the natural ability to change gender, hence why I used the term 'engineering' because it is exactly that! We are obsessed as humans in trying to control nature, but it is not something that can be controlled, and this is just another perfect example of our continued rape of the natural world!



    And now it's Boards' policy to bend over to the will of left/right/whichever directional wing thinking, and to hell with those of us who dare question basic logic! Absolutely pathetic, unless of course it's Boards' intention to go in a Fascist path towards the future? Or are you gonna ban me too simply because I dare question things in a politically correct era?? Pathetic.


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    #90
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,751 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    So the bans have started.
    In the name of tolerance and respect ;)

    I'm finding myself over on Reddit more and more these days and after the clusterfúck display of moderation on the JY thread and a couple of others recently I can only see that time elsewhere growing.

    Not a huge loss to many I'd suppose...
    But while I can honestly accept boards not being a free speech site, I'm not going to have what is and is not acceptable, moral or scientifically correct dictated to me by a team of "socially woke" mods or be policed by SJWs!


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    #91
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    klaaaz wrote: »
    The mask has slipped. Ye and others who posted here never had acceptance of transgender people in Ireland in the first place.

    Forgive me but I honestly thought that was another pronoun I hadn't heard of within Trans community :o


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