Merchants Quay Dublin Injection Center Rejected

Samuel T. Cogley

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

There isn’t though.

There is though.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/St+Audoen's+National+School/@53.3440857,-6.2764119,18z/data=!4m8!1m2!2m1!1smerchants+quay+schools!3m4!1s0x0:0x72b988dfaec589c1!8m2!3d53.3443139!4d-6.274454

Stop moaning ffs

Mrsmum wrote: »

I guess it's like the previous poster said - why would the addicts bother going out to the outskirts. They are happy enough down an alley in the city centre. But like everyone else I would prefer never having to see it.

I agree. So let’s contain it. And the try help them out if it.

Mrsmum

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

I agree. So let’s contain it. And the try help them out if it.

On balance I think I agree with that,

mad muffin

Anto Lynch wrote: »

"DUBLIN CITY COUNCIL has refused planning permission for Ireland’s first supervised injecting facility, saying that opening it would be bad for the area and bad for tourism in the capital. "

Because having them injecting on the streets in full view of tourists is grand.

Idiots running the show in this country.

No injection anywhere. Why have we become a nation of enablers?

skooterblue2

cjmc wrote: »

736 deaths last year ! Jays I didn't realise it was that high

Yeah you would be surprised but where do you think universities and medical companies get bodies to play with? Who would have thought Heroin would be a killer?

Spanish Eyes

Would mobile units be a compromise I wonder? Visiting high drug use areas every day. The word will get out though and I suppose objections will fly in or something.

It's a difficult issue, but I am sticking by my guns. The location of MQI at the moment is bad enough, but add in an injection centre and dealing outside all day long, possible overdosing and dying on the street outside, around the corner from Christchurch, opposite the Four Courts, on a narrow enough footpath on the very busy South Quays is not on.

There has to be a better solution. Oh and I would move the drug treatment centres out of the city centre areas too. There are far too many of them in a concentrated area and the citizens are expected just to put up with the mayhem they cause. Nope. Treat them, I'm paying for it anyway, but get a plan in place that suits all of us.

skooterblue2

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Would mobile units be a compromise I wonder? Visiting high drug use areas every day. The word will get out though and I suppose objections will fly in or something.

It's a difficult issue, but I am sticking by my guns. The location of MQI at the moment is bad enough, but add in an injection centre and dealing outside all day long, possible overdosing and dying on the street outside, around the corner from Christchurch, opposite the Four Courts, on a narrow enough footpath on the very busy South Quays is not on.

There has to be a better solution. Oh and I would move the drug treatment centres out of the city centre areas too. There are far too many of them in a concentrated area and the citizens are expected just to put up with the mayhem they cause. Nope. Treat them, I'm paying for it anyway, but get a plan in place that suits all of us.

The only solution I could think of is sending them to Junkie camps in the Dublin mountains and let them dose themselves to death. There is no point in throwing good money after bad and trying to get them off it when they have no intention of it. All we can do is focus on the youth with after hours homework clubs and weekend sports.

Once the needle goes in the soul goes out.

Spanish Eyes

skooterblue2 wrote: »

The only solution I could think of is sending them to Junkie camps in the Dublin mountains and let them dose themselves to death. There is no point in throwing good money after bad and trying to get them off it when they have no intention of it. All we can do is focus on the youth with after hours homework clubs and weekend sports.

Once the needle goes in the soul goes out.

Quite a sad, but true statement.

Look I am not a hard hearted person, but the point of no return is approaching and addicts will take over our city. They are nearly there as it is.

I don't know what the solution is, I don't think anyone does dozens of years down the road either. But one thing I am sure of, treatment facilities should NOT be anywhere near the city centre. I know that many addicts come from inner city complexes and so on, but I doubt they ALL do. Red Line Luas will tell you all you need to know about that one.

It's a tough call, but citizens have a right to a pleasant environment in their city too don't they?

skooterblue2

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

It's a tough call, but citizens have a right to a pleasant environment in their city too don't they?

How much money do we spend on education ....."Dont do drugs, cannabis is a gateway drug, You will die on heroin".

If you arent smart enough to pick up on this stuff you arent smart enough to live. Saying that a few of my classmates from school (havent seen them in 30 years) are after suddenly dying. These lads were life and souls of the party. Absolute assholes in real life at school. Teachers never missed them

hetuzozaho

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Once the needle goes in the soul goes out.

People get through it though and come out the other side.
The soul must stay intact somewhere during it. There's always hope.

Fair play to the people who do such work, it can't be easy!

lawlolawl

hetuzozaho wrote: »

People get through it though and come out the other side.

A tiny amount get through it.

Markcheese

I don't blame any individual or company who doesn't want a shooting gallery anywhere near them, I wouldn't be mad on a homeless hostel next door to my place either...
But there going to need to go somewhere, which isn't easy..
How about access via mini bus only, the centre could be anywhere around Dublin, a minibus could do pick ups, and drop offs in the certain spots, drive through a gate, avoids junkies or dealers hanging around...

hetuzozaho

lawlolawl wrote: »

A tiny amount get through it.

What are the percentages out of interest?

skooterblue2

hetuzozaho wrote: »

People get through it though and come out the other side.
The soul must stay intact somewhere during it. There's always hope.

Fair play to the people who do such work, it can't be easy!

At what cost? I cannot get a metric from any health professional.
"its very vague and what you consider success?"
I consider success the same metric as the Rehab industries, out into the workforce with ya and start contributing to society.

Once again all very very vague. It cost a fortune while the money would be better spent on homework clubs and weekend sports

hetuzozaho

skooterblue2 wrote: »

At what cost?

No idea sorry, was just responding to you saying once it's started it's over. Not the case always is all.

14dMoney

Markcheese wrote: »

I don't blame any individual or company who doesn't want a shooting gallery anywhere near them, I wouldn't be mad on a homeless hostel next door to my place either...
But there going to need to go somewhere, which isn't easy..
How about access via mini bus only, the centre could be anywhere around Dublin, a minibus could do pick ups, and drop offs in the certain spots, drive through a gate, avoids junkies or dealers hanging around...

Send them all to the Aran Islands and let them build their own little junkie civilization. We shouldn't have to put up with this scourge.

hetuzozaho

14dMoney wrote: »

Send them all to the Aran Islands and let them build their own little junkie civilization. We shouldn't have to put up with this scourge.

Would the Aran Islands not pose the same problem you're complaining about? haha

skooterblue2

hetuzozaho wrote: »

No idea sorry, was just responding to you saying once it's started it's over. Not the case always is all.

Well I can tell you psychotherapy 10 years ago was billed to the HSE as €80 an hour. €80 an hour would rent and heat and insure and pay a supervisor for a homework club for the night (2 hours) for 20 students!!! Now that is money well spent.
What about the cost of these dirty fuppers and their syringes, crapping in door ways? I feel sick just typing about it!!!!

skooterblue2

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Would the Aran Islands not pose the same problem you're complaining about? haha

Can we just come to an agreement that nobody wants them on their door step literally?!??!?

Spanish Eyes

14dMoney wrote: »

Send them all to the Aran Islands and let them build their own little junkie civilization. We shouldn't have to put up with this scourge.

I don't think Aran Islanders would agree :rolleyes: But Dublin citizens must agree of course, they have had no choice up to now. This is the first time I have heard of planning permission being required for a treatment centre.

I know it is a medically serviced injection centre, but still, all the treatment centres with the resulting mayhem just happened AFAIS and we are left with the aftermath.

Treatment centres are all around the city and in the tourist heartlands too. I put citizens first, and visitors second. We deserve a pleasant environment. We are paying for it all. But few are listening.

Treatment and injection centres are not location dependent really if the will was there to sort it out.

hetuzozaho

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well I can tell you

I never asked though? Maybe a bit of a mix up.

hetuzozaho

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Can we just come to an agreement that nobody wants them on their door step literally?!??!?

Can we agree there's lots of things we don't want on our doorstep, but unfortunately living in a society involves dealing with the issues that living in a society brings.

Spanish Eyes

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Can we just come to an agreement that nobody wants them on their door step literally?!??!?

Realistically, with the best will in the world, who would?

I bet the CEO of MQI and many others blathering on in favour of this don't live anywhere near it either. That kind of gets my blood up to be honest.

Easy to preach from afar isn't it?

skooterblue2

hetuzozaho wrote: »

No idea sorry, was just responding to you saying once it's started it's over. Not the case always is all.

Ever seen the movie "Adam and Paul"? It is horribly depressing. Its about two best friends on a type of "Homers Odyssey" around Dublin. They have been best friends since they were kids and did everything together.

To cut a long story short..... One of them overdoses and the other rather than get help or alert someone ...... goes through his coat with him just barely cold to find some hidden Heroin.

skooterblue2

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Can we agree there's lots of things we don't want on our doorstep, but unfortunately living in a society involves dealing with the issues that living in a society brings.

This problem wasnt here in this volume 30, 20 or even 5 years ago. There are certain things in society we can make allowances for and then there are somethings that are unacceptable. You make a choice to take heroin, you are responsible for that siht, it is of you own free will.

hetuzozaho

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Ever seen the movie "Adam and Paul"? It is horribly depressing.

I've seen it yes. I love Mark O'Halloran's latest work with Shane Meadows too actually. Very moving stuff indeed. Addiction is such an awful thing.

Spoiler tags though! Someone might want to watch it.

skooterblue2

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Realistically, with the best will in the world, who would?

I bet the CEO of MQI and many others blathering on in favour of this don't live anywhere near it either. That kind of gets my blood up to be honest.

Easy to preach from afar isn't it?

Actually I live in a nice upper working class, lower middle class private housing estate. Certain elements have arrived from Dublin. The "soldiers" are handing out "samples" to the teenagers. I dread to think what the estate will be like in 10 years time. I know I will be gone by then.

hetuzozaho

skooterblue2 wrote: »

You make a choice to take heroin, you are responsible for that siht, it is of you own free will.

I would be of the opinion that it's a bit more nuanced than that, unfortunately.

Spanish Eyes

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Actually I live in a nice upper working class, lower middle class private housing estate. Certain elements have arrived from Dublin. The "soldiers" are handing out "samples" to the teenagers. I dread to think what the estate will be like in 10 years time. I know I will be gone by then.

Parental supervision is the key. Know where your kids are and who they are with. Surely most parents care about their kids. But I suppose once they are over 18 anything goes really, that is frightening.

Sorry to hear of this happening where you are, but it is absolutely everywhere now. Even on the Aran Islands Sadly.

skooterblue2

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Parental supervision is the key. Know where your kids are and who they are with. Surely most parents care about their kids. But I suppose once they are over 18 anything goes really, that is frightening.

Sorry to hear of this happening where you are, but it is absolutely everywhere now. Even on the Aran Islands Sadly.

Happens younger than that, its open season on teenagers in my estate. I saw a disgarded needle the other day.

Bloody seals shooting up on the Aran Islands? I knew those big glossy eyes were too good to be true.

skooterblue2

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I've seen it yes. I love Mark O'Halloran's latest work with Shane Meadows too actually. Very moving stuff indeed. Addiction is such an awful thing.

Spoiler tags though! Someone might want to watch it.

Ahh All junkies end up in the same place, some just get there faster than others

14dMoney

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I would be of the opinion that it's a bit more nuanced than that, unfortunately.

In this age, with all the information readily available, anybody who takes heroin is a weak, degenerate loser.

hetuzozaho

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Ahh All junkies end up in the same place, some just get there faster than others

You mean the same place we all end up?

Or you mean they never recover - because we've been through this I felt?

skooterblue2

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Or you mean they never recover

thats a Bingo on both!

skooterblue2

14dMoney wrote: »

In this age, with all the information readily available, anybody who takes heroin is a weak, degenerate loser.

And the lights are burning brightly for the masses!!!

hetuzozaho

skooterblue2 wrote: »

thats a Bingo on both!

Nope.

Anyway I see you thanked the "degenerate loser" post. I will leave you to it. Have a nice evening.

skooterblue2

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Nope.

Anyway I see you thanked the "degenerate loser" post. I will leave you to it. Have a nice evening.

Well itsnt like they were going to ever find a cure for cancer.

Markcheese

14dMoney wrote: »

Send them all to the Aran Islands and let them build their own little junkie civilization. We shouldn't have to put up with this scourge.

Well it'd have to be another island cos the local population already have a tourist industry, the plus side is though the smaller and craggyer the island is, the higher the "natural wastage" levels would be among junkie residents...

skooterblue2

Markcheese wrote: »

Well it'd have to be another island cos the local population already have a tourist industry, the plus side is though the smaller and craggyer the island is, the higher the "natural wastage" levels would be among junkie residents...

May I suggest Rockall? unpolluted, fresh air, undisturbed by post modern architecture. Just get the Air Corps to literally drop them off there twice a week.

Graces7

lawlolawl wrote: »

A tiny amount get through it.

stats?

skooterblue2

Graces7 wrote: »

stats?

You have to remember this report is based on the ones that go for treatment.

"Following discharge 103 (94%) of the 109 patients interviewed reported
a lapse,"

What about the ones that dont go for treatment? They dont even bother.
"Of the 160 patients who were admitted to Cuan Dara during the study
period, 149 were eligible to participate in the study, the remaining
eleven being admitted to stabilise on methadone. Of the 149 patients,
five patients died during the follow-up period and thirty-five could
not be traced. We interviewed 109 (76%) of those who were still alive"

https://www.lenus.ie/bitstream/handle/10147/110022/Article5260.pdf;jsessionid=FE1920F6E4FEA3D36D3E376D50B74B9A?sequence=1

ILoveYourVibes

cjmc wrote: »

736 deaths last year ! Jays I didn't realise it was that high

That is horrendous!

Graces7

skooterblue2 wrote: »

May I suggest Rockall? unpolluted, fresh air, undisturbed by post modern architecture. Just get the Air Corps to literally drop them off there twice a week.

Given your.... problems.. with these folk, ( and we have talked on this before) Rockall is somewhere you might find peace and be happy.

Graces7

mad muffin wrote: »

No injection anywhere. Why have we become a nation of enablers?

It works in other countries eg Canada, these sites work

https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/canadas-first-safe-injection-site-struggles-with-the-rise-of-fentanyl/

getting clear is not easy and keeping folk safe from themselves and from others is right and good.

It is not "enabling" but damage limitation and winning trust from addicts without which they will never have any hope

The folk running these centres and places like White oak in Donegal, believe this . So do many of us.

skooterblue2

Graces7 wrote: »

Given your.... problems.. with these folk, ( and we have talked on this before) Rockall is somewhere you might find peace and be happy.

The major difference between me and them is, I am not taking harmful illegal drugs and leaving the needles and syringes for all and sundry to find, with no intention to get off social welfare and being a general blight on the landscape.

hetuzozaho

Graces7 wrote: »

Given your.... problems.. with these folk, ( and we have talked on this before) Rockall is somewhere you might find peace and be happy.

I think this might be the solution for people who don't want to be around societies problems, and people do this and are quite happy for it.

skooterblue2

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I think this might be the solution for people who don't want to be around societies problems, and people do this and are quite happy for it.

I am not the problem. I am a law abiding citizen. We need to stop enabling this pathetic behaviour. Most people are not happy with junkies...*shudders*. We are sick of their dirty behaviour.

skooterblue2

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I think this might be the solution for people who don't want to be around societies problems, and people do this and are quite happy for it.

Why do I have to move? When I have settled in my community and am making contributions to society and working in gainful employment and trying to improve my property and then Junkies start invading the town spreading their poison and bringing down the community. Shouldnt we resist this behaviour?

Dont we have the right to protect our youth and property from this plague of zombies?

hetuzozaho

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Most people are not happy with junkies

Ah I'm probably a bit bias with addicts, I've always loved a lot of their work, starting with my childhood hero Slash back '88.

Some great people became addicts and kicked it. Fair play to people who help them through it.

skooterblue2

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Ah I'm probably a bit bias with addicts, I've always loved a lot of their work, starting with my childhood hero Slash back '88.

Some great people became addicts and kicked it. Fair play to people who help them through it.

Yeah I love fairy tales too ..... back to the real world. They are filthy and disease ridden and blight on society.