Tour stage 19: Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne > Tignes 126km

kmart6

Can't argue with this.....

https://twitter.com/SInow/status/1154768983469502464?s=20

Lumen

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Going to be a lot of unhappy french fans I think

I don't think there's much cause for complaint. JA had fairly and squarely lost 2 minutes, and wasn't making much of it back up on the descent with another hard climb ahead.

Panrich

Road blocked by a landslide so no way to continue in any case

neris

landslide on teh road aswell

Lumen

Lumen wrote: »

I don't think there's much cause for complaint. JA had fairly and squarely lost 2 minutes, and wasn't making much of it back up on the descent with another hard climb ahead.

disagree. stage in progress still and the climb at Tignes is not as hard and would have allowed JA to get some strength back in his legs and Bernal would likely to lose some time on the flatter parts at the end of descent and start of climb.

but not sure what else could be done under the circumstances.

walshb

Lumen wrote: »

I don't think there's much cause for complaint. JA had fairly and squarely lost 2 minutes, and wasn't making much of it back up on the descent with another hard climb ahead.

Yes

A better rule would be to make the whole stage null and void.....

What we do know is that JA was definitely 90 seconds ahead at the start of stage. We cannot know the times at the end of the stage, because it was abandoned...

neris

glasso wrote: »

disagree. stage in progress still and the climb at Tignes is not as hard and would have allowed JA to get some strength back in his legs and Bernal would likely to lose some time on the flatter parts at the end of descent and start of climb.

but not sure what else could be done under the circumstances.

they werent getting to the climb, theres a landslide blocking the road

odyssey06

If the weather is so unpredictable and can change with this amount of notice, should the climb really be scheduled in the race - if at all - for such a decisive stage?

neris

neris wrote: »

they werent getting to the climb, theres a landslide blocking the road

I didn't say that were going to.

talking about if stage played out normally there which it didn't obv.

Chips Lovell

It's the Alps. Extreme weather is always a possibility. The only way to completely avoid it would be not to go there at all.

walshb

walshb wrote: »

Yes

A better rule would be to make the whole stage null and void.....

What we do know is that JA was definitely 90 seconds ahead at the start of stage. We cannot know the times at the end of the stage, because it was abandoned...

I agree. but it's all a mess now.

tuxy

walshb wrote: »

Yes

A better rule would be to make the whole stage null and void.....

What we do know is that JA was definitely 90 seconds ahead at the start of stage. We cannot know the times at the end of the stage, because it was abandoned...

Bernal putting in a massive effort like that and not improving his GC time is unfair too.

equivariant

Lumen wrote: »

I don't think there's much cause for complaint. JA had fairly and squarely lost 2 minutes, and wasn't making much of it back up on the descent with another hard climb ahead.

??? Its pretty clear that he would have taken back a lot of time on the descent - he is a much faster descender and he had just started the descent when it was called

retalivity

I would laugh so hard if they abandoned the whole stage, and took the times from this morning.
Sure let pinot back in as well!!!

Djoucer

glasso wrote: »

disagree. stage in progress still and the climb at Tignes is not as hard and would have allowed JA to get some strength back in his legs and Bernal would likely to lose some time on the flatter parts at the end of descent and start of climb.

but not sure what else could be done under the circumstances.

JA would’ve dropped off of the podium if race continued up last climb.

He was losing so much time on the climbs between today and yesterday.

All of which highlights why it’s such a pity for stage to be cancelled. Puts a dampener on what has been the best tour in years.

kilns

In all reality this is a win for JA even though he loses the Yellow Jersey, he most likely would have lost more time on the last climb and could have ended the day back in 4th

Inquitus

I guess taking the times at the top of the Iseran is the fairest thing to do, JA would have gained time on the descent but lost more on the final climb, so net net its hard to know if he's better or worse off. I would guess we'll be left with Bernal v Thomas racing for the win tomorrow, my money would be on Bernal.

Wiggo was saying it was a freakishly localised hailstorm when he drove through on the moto.

Djoucer

Djoucer wrote: »

JA would’ve dropped off of the podium if race continued up last climb.

He was losing so much time on the climbs between today and yesterday.

All of which highlights why it’s such a pity for stage to be cancelled. Puts a dampener on what has been the best tour in years.

we'll never know.

the flat section.... descent.... could have pulled a Stephen Roche '87 and even better have been ready to go with a bird/ femme "tout de suite" at the end.

neris

https://twitter.com/trondiversen/status/1154771153736671232?s=19

Bernal deserving winner if he holds on. He's attacked in the mountains which is what we want to see, no?
He hasn't gained a load of time in a time trial and ridden conservatively to Paris.

And on the plus side his emergence as a true contender might mean the end of Froome

equivariant

interesting development there - they may not have times from the top of l'Iseran.

Neutralise the whole stage? Ala back in yellow?

gmacww

Well this is interesting. There was no official timer at the top of that climb so technically they are not allowed to use that as a final timer!

This could get real interesting. Would not be surprised to see this stage scrubbed.

kilns

neris wrote: »

https://twitter.com/trondiversen/status/1154771153736671232?s=19

Run for safety but make sure you get it on camera first...

red_ken

red_ken wrote: »

Bernal deserving winner if he holds on. He's attacked in the mountains which is what we want to see, no?
He hasn't gained a load of time in a time trial and ridden conservatively to Paris.

And on the plus side his emergence as a true contender might mean the end of Froome

he has signed up to a really long contract with Skinnyos - will just be sky train with Bernal winning instead of Froome for years / longer - what's the plus side there?

gmacww

gmacww wrote: »

Well this is interesting. There was no official timer at the top of that climb so technically they are not allowed to use that as a final timer!

This could get real interesting. Would not be surprised to see this stage scrubbed.

really?

clusterfook if the case

neris

its this years equivilant of Froome running up Ventoux

the.red.baron

red_ken wrote: »

Bernal deserving winner if he holds on. He's attacked in the mountains which is what we want to see, no?
He hasn't gained a load of time in a time trial and ridden conservatively to Paris.

And on the plus side his emergence as a true contender might mean the end of Froome

Still think Froome would have won this year


There's nothing wrong with winning on a time trial and holding that lead whatsoever


If nobody can take that time of your then thats their problem


being an amazing climber and amazing at the ITT or vice versa without showing weakness in the mountains is very suspicious

Gerianam

Bernal in yellow!

glasso

glasso wrote: »

he has signed up to a really long contract with Skinnyos - will just be sky train with Bernal winning instead of Froome for years / longer - what's the plus side there?

He'll have to be able to obliterate the opposition in time trials to be able to take advantage of an Ineos train.

And with the train that Jumbo Visma are steadily assembling for Dumoulin, he's gonna have to attack to win in future editions.