Tour stage 19: Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne > Tignes 126km

letape

glasso wrote: »

I mean that landslide shown was not actually remotely dangerous. This is France, not Bolivia, so the roads are actually not situated in precarious situations in 2019.

and the road was fine on the descent which would have been the dangerous part.

nobody is going to get seriously hurt in any way slogging uphill through a bit of slush.

Absolute nonsense. This is the alps not Paris.

odyssey06

What's the profile for tomorrow's stage, much chance for change at the top of the GC?

godtabh

https://twitter.com/bastietema/status/1154772202346156032?s=21

letape

letape wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. This is the alps not Paris.

it's a road at 1600 to 2000m , not the north face of Mont-Blanc

balderdash.

Wiggins went through it and said that it was only badish / snowy for a few hundred metres really.

and that was on the flat / very start of Tignes climb

I stand by saying that it would have been fecking brilliant instead of this anti-climatic deflation feeling.

Inquitus

Sadly it has kind of gift wrapped the Tour for Bernal, would have been much more interesting had it played out on the final slope up to Tignes! Hard to see beyond #1 Bernal #2 Thomas #3 Kruijswijk, Buchmann or Alaphilippe after tomorrow.

1 Egan Bernal (Col) Team Ineos
2 Julian Alaphilippe (Fra) Deceuninck-QuickStep 00:00:45
3 Geraint Thomas (GBr) Team Ineos 00:01:03
4 Steven Kruijswijk (Ned) Jumbo-Visma 00:01:15
5 Emanuel Buchmann (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe 00:01:42

gordongekko

Don't know if ja has anything left in the tank. But let's hope he attacks on a decent and goes for broke tomorrow

gordongekko

gordongekko wrote: »

Don't know if ja has anything left in the tank. But let's hope he attacks on a decent and goes for broke tomorrow

hope I'm wrong but likely any sniff with be closed down by skinnyos and it will play out a totally boring stage.

Inquitus

gordongekko wrote: »

Don't know if ja has anything left in the tank. But let's hope he attacks on a decent and goes for broke tomorrow

Its the long final climb with no chance of pulling back time on a descent that will put paid to JA you'd feel!



The bookies think its a done deal at this point, hard to disagree:

He'd have to do a Landis / Giro Froome!

robinph

glasso wrote: »

letape wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. This is the alps not Paris.

it's a road at 1600 to 2000m , not the north face of Mont-Blanc

balderdash.

Wiggins went through it and said that it was only badish / snowy for a few hundred metres really.

and that was on the flat / very start of Tignes climb

I stand by saying that it would have been fecking brilliant instead of this anti-climatic deflation feeling.

Well you wouldn't have seen any of it on TV as the camera bikes wouldn't have got through. Then when everyone gets a puncture 100m further up the road there would be no team cars there with new wheels.

Lumen

glasso wrote: »

it's a road at 1600 to 2000m , not the north face of Mont-Blanc

balderdash.

Wiggins went through it and said that it was only badish / snowy for a few hundred metres really.

Is there some part of "landslide" that you are misunderstanding?

It's not wacky races.

dastardly00

Inquitus wrote: »

Sadly it has kind of gift wrapped the Tour for Bernal, would have been much more interesting had it played out on the final slope up to Tignes! Hard to see beyond #1 Bernal #2 Thomas #3 Kruijswijk, Buchmann or Alaphilippe after tomorrow.

1 Egan Bernal (Col) Team Ineos
2 Julian Alaphilippe (Fra) Deceuninck-QuickStep 00:00:45
3 Geraint Thomas (GBr) Team Ineos 00:01:03
4 Steven Kruijswijk (Ned) Jumbo-Visma 00:01:15
5 Emanuel Buchmann (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe 00:01:42

The pessimist in me thinks the following for tomorrow:

JA probably has nothing left in the tank (when going uphill)
Thomas won't be able to attack because of team orders
Kruijswijk doesn't seem to want to attack at all
Buchmann will only be aiming for a podium spot

Lumen

Lumen wrote: »

Is there some part of "landslide" that you are misunderstanding?

It's not wacky races.

could have waded through a bit of muck - did you actually see it? - it was not the explosion of Mount Etna.

bit of muck goes across the road on an innocuous flat section- they probably could have walked around it to the right.

looked pretty tame to me.

doesn't even look like it was on the main road ffs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r0sUH7ASoc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwB9fB4y22o

robinph

glasso wrote: »

Lumen wrote: »

Is there some part of "landslide" that you are misunderstanding?

It's not wacky races.

could have waded through a bit of muck - did you actually see it? - it was not the explosion of Mount Etna.

bit of muck goes across the road on an innocuous flat section- they probably could have walked around it to the right.

looked pretty tame to me.

Nobody was walking around that, it's a cliff on the other side of that crash barrier.

https://twitter.com/ProCyclingStats/status/1154766627369603072?s=09

here is an actual photo of the "mega landslide"

tame as feck.

about 8 inches deep of muck on the left side

lizzylad84

What a day to get a power cut. Sky unable yo record the stage.....stupid work

retalivity

I heard a stat on eurosport the last day, steven kruijswijk has only 1 win in his career! Checked it, and all i can see is the gc from the arctic tour of norway, and a stage in the 2011 tour de suisse.
I like the guy, would like to see him win, but he is the epitome of diesel/wheel sucking climber - he will do nothing tomorrow but hang on.
Only hope for excitement tomorrow is thomas attacks bernal, or movistar do something crazy/stupid again.

gordongekko

glasso wrote: »

here is an actual photo of the "mega landslide"

tame as feck.

about 8 inches deep of muck on the left side

It's time to drop it. It's been explained to you loads of times at this stage

gordongekko

gordongekko wrote: »

It's time to drop it. It's been explained to you loads of times at this stage

picture says it all - it was minor at most.

gordongekko

glasso wrote: »

picture says it all - it was minor at most.

Seriously these are professional athletes not some Mickey mouse A4 race in Cavan. They don't have to put there safety at risk for your pleasure.

c.p.w.g.w

Still think taking the time at the bottom of the descent would have been a whole lot fairer.

But now all we can hope for is someone to actually attack early doors...could Bora do anything for buchmann

Mint Sauce

glasso wrote: »

doesn't even look like it was on the main road ffs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r0sUH7ASoc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwB9fB4y22o

You must missed the helicopter pictures then of the Plough/JCB trying to clear the road. It was WHITE!

Mint Sauce

Mint Sauce wrote: »

You must missed the helicopter pictures then of the Plough/JCB trying to clear the road. It was WHITE!

apparently that was only for a very short section.

Wiggins actually went through all the way to the finish at the time on a moped (was stopped for 10 mins then let through) and it was a case of only a very small section apparently - described it as a "micro climate" (few 100 metres) that would have been cleared.

he initially said that the riders should have gone through before towing the party line on Eurosport later.

also uphill so no speed involved.

now that the mega-landslide argument has been debunked all I'm saying is yes they took the precautionary approach but it may not have been all that serious.

Inquitus

retalivity wrote: »

I heard a stat on eurosport the last day, steven kruijswijk has only 1 win in his career! Checked it, and all i can see is the gc from the arctic tour of norway, and a stage in the 2011 tour de suisse.
I like the guy, would like to see him win, but he is the epitome of diesel/wheel sucking climber - he will do nothing tomorrow but hang on.
Only hope for excitement tomorrow is thomas attacks bernal, or movistar do something crazy/stupid again.

Cadel Evans had a very good career being a Kruijswijk like Diesel, Steven is doing something wrong!

Mint Sauce

glasso wrote: »

apparently that was only for a very short section.

Wiggins actually went through all the way to the finish at the time on a moped (was stopped for 10 mins then let through) and it was a case of only a very small section apparently - described it as a "micro climate" (few 100 metres) that would have been cleared.

he initially said that the riders should have gone through before towing the party line on Eurosport later.

also uphill so no speed involved.

now that the mega-landslide argument has been debunked all I'm saying is yes they took the precautionary approach but it may not have been all that serious.

Apparently, suggests you did not see it. I suggest you watch it, either YouTube, or Highlights later, and get back to us.

Mint Sauce

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Apparently, suggests you did not see it. I suggest you watch it, either YouTube, or Highlights later, and get back to us.

I did see it.

"apparently" refers to the fact that was a small section.

Inquitus

https://twitter.com/2sporten/status/1154771037927682049

Inquitus

Inquitus wrote: »

https://twitter.com/2sporten/status/1154771037927682049

seems dramatic with lots of animated shouting but the aftermath at that exact spot is not dramatic

the left side of the road could be cleared / pushed aside of muck by a jcb in a few minutes for a car to get though

Lumen

How can you have standing water on a 10% mountain. ILLUMINATI!!!!