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Tour stage 19: Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne > Tignes 126km

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    #242
    MPFGLB
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    glasso wrote: »
    LA on his podcast was arguing that the KOM basis should be changed as most years the best climber doesn't actually win KOM and that it's pretty irrelevant as is.


    KOM is fine the way it is ....best climber wins the yellow
    Without KOM then climbers wont go for it in breaks ..and many stages will lack good climbers attacking in breaks ..Its another race within a race and fine

    Lance Armstrong with his penchant for calling anyone who doesnt win a loser is another thing that gets on my wick ..ie "first loser" =2nd , "second loser =3rd"
    Spoken by a man who did anything to win including cheating,lying and bullying
    Why anyone would listen to that charlatan is beyond me..


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    #243
    letape
    Registered Users Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭letape


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    KOM is fine the way it is ....best climber wins the yellow
    Without KOM then climbers wont go for it in breaks ..and many stages will lack good climbers attacking in breaks ..Its another race within a race and fine

    Lance Armstrong with his penchant for calling anyone who doesnt win a loser is another thing that gets on my wick ..ie "first loser" =2nd , "second loser =3rd"
    Spoken by a man who did anything to win including cheating,lying and bullying
    Why anyone would listen to that charlatan is beyond me..

    Lance is probably the only other person that thinks the riders should have ridden through the landslide lol


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    #244
    Angliru
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    59km stage tomorrow LOL


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    #245
    [Deleted User]
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    MPFGLB wrote: »
    KOM is fine the way it is ....best climber wins the yellow
    Without KOM then climbers wont go for it in breaks ..and many stages will lack good climbers attacking in breaks ..Its another race within a race and fine

    Lance Armstrong with his penchant for calling anyone who doesnt win a loser is another thing that gets on my wick ..ie "first loser" =2nd , "second loser =3rd"
    Spoken by a man who did anything to win including cheating,lying and bullying
    Why anyone would listen to that charlatan is beyond me..

    I don't like the guy at all but do listen the odd time after an interesting stage.

    I get the get the race within the race as it's largely the same case with the green jersey but anyways.

    they also have his old cheat manager Johan Bruyneel on doing another podcast under the same name and if you were betting on his stage winner predictions you would have done very well.


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    #246
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    letape wrote: »
    Lance is probably the only other person that thinks the riders should have ridden through the landslide lol

    and Wiggins....

    maybe they should cancel Paris Roubaix next year if a little rain is forecast!

    Sean Kelly wouldn't have any of this nonsense in his day.


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    #247
    letape
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    glasso wrote: »
    and Wiggins....

    maybe they should cancel Paris Roubaix next year if a little rain is forecast!

    Sean Kelly wouldn't have any of this nonsense in his day.

    The same Wiggins that lost his nerves descending in the 2013 Giro - in his words he “descended a bit like a girl”. Yep I could see him going through the mud alright.


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    #248
    Large bottle small glass
    Registered Users Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    glasso wrote: »
    and Wiggins....

    maybe they should cancel Paris Roubaix next year if a little rain is forecast!

    Sean Kelly wouldn't have any of this nonsense in his day.

    Sean Kelly isn't the bar dude

    https://rouleur.cc/editorial/riding-in-the-zone-rouge/


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    #249
    DanDublin1982
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    Disappointing way for this year's tour to wind up after such great scenes through the last three weeks.

    Can't argue with Bernal though, held on all this time and then went for it over two of the toughest days in the tour. He seemed like he absolutely had more in his tank too.

    Just watching the highlights on Eurosport and good to see that Wiggans is keeping his crap jacket policy going.


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    #250
    TheBlaaMan
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    glasso wrote: »

    I stand by saying that it would have been fecking brilliant instead of this anti-climatic deflation feeling.

    Doubling down on your knobbish statement


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    #251
    retalivity
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    Angliru wrote: »
    59km stage tomorrow LOL

    Bring back the F1 Grid starting positions!!


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    #252
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    TheBlaaMan wrote: »
    Doubling down on your knobbish statement

    Apt username


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    #253
    eagle eye
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    This is a real anti-climax to a great tour. Personally I think they should have gathered them at the bottom and restarted the race with the time gaps.

    Like we have no clue how this thing would have turned out had it not been cancelled.
    Did Bernal burn himself out with that breakaway? Had Thomas kept himself in better condition to go attack on the last climb? What about Kruijswijk, had he something left for the last climb?
    I feel very sorry for Alaphilippe too, I think he would have cut into the lead on the descent but I think he'd have lost more time on the last climb too.

    Tomorrow could be insane. I think the stage might be a good one for Alaphilippe as it's so short. We have no idea what's going on with Ineos, I think the two top men have license to do their own thing. I certainly don't expect the defending champion to lie down and play super domestique.


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    #254
    Mefistofelino
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    Rewatching it this evening, JA made precisely none seconds back on Bernal over 10 km on the descent. That road is not technical enough for the likes of JA to make inroads, no matter how much he threw the bike around the place.

    He's just lucky he didn't lose 4 of 5 minutes today.


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    #255
    topnotch
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    Start change for stage 20. Distance reduced to 59km. :eek:
    Up on official tdf site.


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    #256
    neris
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    topnotch wrote: »
    Start change for stage 20. Distance reduced to 59km. :eek:
    Up on official tdf site.

    That could make things very interesting with JA. Would think the shorter distance with the climbs would suit him better and he can put out more power without killing himself but there,ll be chaos to as teams try to shut down breaks and other riders


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    #257
    EC1000
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    Only 59km but retains the final 33km ascent. Could still be fireworks.


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    #258
    CramCycle
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    glasso wrote: »
    fair enough if so - I haven't seen the follow up full picture - do you have a link?

    From a friend there on whatsapp (on holiday in rural land so internet is poor enough) but pretty sure if you look at the side of the road on the most common videos on google, you will see the same, most of the pics here it was already above two foot.


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    #259
    plodder
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    Tough on Alaphilippe. I wonder why they didn't run it further to the point where the bad weather hit as he seemed to be recovering some time on the Iseran descent.


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    #260
    tuxy
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    https://twitter.com/NOSsport/status/1154849512793497601

    I don't see the issue, Wiggins could just trade in the scooter for a scrambler. Once he can make it through the full stage should go ahead.


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    #261
    beggars_bush
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    Was only up on the Col d'Iseran two weeks ago and the pass was closed due to a boulder rolling onto the road during a severe thunderstorm


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    #262
    Itziger
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    plodder wrote: »
    Tough on Alaphilippe. I wonder why they didn't run it further to the point where the bad weather hit as he seemed to be recovering some time on the Iseran descent.
    By my estimate he'd clawed back 4 or 5 seconds in 10k. So, no.
    Not to mention that there was a climb still to come. Whatever about Bernal, he would have lost more time to Thomas and co for sure. He was almost certainly looking at 3 or 4 mins lost.


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    #263
    De Bhál
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    tuxy wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/NOSsport/status/1154849512793497601

    I don't see the issue, Wiggins could just trade in the scooter for a scrambler. Once he can make it through the full stage should go ahead.

    Fake NEWS! that's the Tour of Bolivia


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    #264
    CramCycle
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    Itziger wrote: »
    By my estimate he'd clawed back 4 or 5 seconds in 10k. So, no.
    Not to mention that there was a climb still to come. Whatever about Bernal, he would have lost more time to Thomas and co for sure. He was almost certainly looking at 3 or 4 mins lost.

    The official timers were way out, he'd basically caught the lads in front of him before it was neutralised, definitely back on to them before the end. His descending was insane, he went all out, comparing the different sections via video, he was gaining a second every 100m with the speed of him (second bottle of wine estimations). He probably would have lost a tone more time on the next climb but on that descent, he gave up everything, including his sanity.


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    #265
    at1withmyself
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    So if Bernal wins today he could have the yellow, white & polka for jersey. Bardet has to come top 6 so that'll be an interesting one!


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    #266
    Itziger
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    CramCycle wrote: »
    The official timers were way out, he'd basically caught the lads in front of him before it was neutralised, definitely back on to them before the end. His descending was insane, he went all out, comparing the different sections via video, he was gaining a second every 100m with the speed of him (second bottle of wine estimations). He probably would have lost a tone more time on the next climb but on that descent, he gave up everything, including his sanity.

    I haven't seen any evidence that he was about to catch the main men. Was catching up with lads in between, yes. If anybody thinks he would have been better with the race going full distance you need to watch the last 30 years of the TdF. When a non-climber loses time on the strong men in week 3 there is one very simple reason for that. If you don't agree, take a peek at Saturday's stage.


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