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Woman convicted for false rape allegation against 12 men in Cyprus (Overturned in Jan22)

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    #92
    Moghead
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    antix80 wrote: »
    The video evidence likely helped prove their innocence. Otherwise it was just their word against hers.

    That doesn't make it right for them to video it without consent. Should we all secretly record any sexual act just in case?

    As an aside, what's the deal with videoing you and your mates all having sex with someone? I'm no prude and was as randy as the next lad when I was a teenager but it's just weird.


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    #93
    antix80
    Registered Users Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭antix80


    Moghead wrote: »
    That doesn't make it right for them to video it without consent. Should we all secretly record any sexual act just in case?

    As an aside, what's the deal with videoing you and your mates all having sex with someone? I'm no prude and was as randy as the next lad when I was a teenager but it's just weird.

    Different times i guess.

    If someone can destroy someone's life based on a false accusation i think at least recording some audio is worth considering


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    #94
    py2006
    Registered Users Posts: 9,847 ✭✭✭py2006


    Never in a million years would I have sex with a girl with other guys watching or sharing. It's just weird.

    It's one on one for me but that is becoming an increasingly risky interaction for normal decent guys in current climate.


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    #95
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Moghead wrote: »
    That doesn't make it right for them to video it without consent. Should we all secretly record any sexual act just in case?

    As an aside, what's the deal with videoing you and your mates all having sex with someone? I'm no prude and was as randy as the next lad when I was a teenager but it's just weird.

    An increasing number of US politicians and public figures are refusing to even be in a room alone with a woman they don’t know never mind go to a bedroom with one to have sex.
    It’s not worth the risk.
    You can lose everything, your family your career everything if the woman decides to make an allegation for any reason afterwards.
    Best to either record the whole encounter or simply insist that she bring a male chaperone of her choice. That leaves both parties free to discuss whatever was on the agenda.
    This was always going to be one of the natural consequences of the #metoo #ibelieveher movements. It’s really no big deal.


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    #96
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    py2006 wrote: »
    Never in a million years would I have sex with a girl with other guys watching or sharing. It's just weird.

    It's one on one for me but that is becoming an increasingly risky interaction for normal decent guys in current climate.
    Definitely don’t be tempted to be alone with any girl you don’t know well enough to trust, drunk or sober any more. It’s too risky.


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    #97
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    antix80 wrote: »
    Different times i guess.

    If someone can destroy someone's life based on a false accusation i think at least recording some audio is worth considering

    Well if you are afraid they will destroy your life with false accusations then the best course of action is not to have sex.


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    #98
    meeeeh
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    Definitely don’t be tempted to be alone with any girl you don’t know well enough to trust, drunk or sober any more. It’s too risky.

    Yes better to be careful and not to talk to women at all and just sit at home and call them lying sluts. Isn't that what beta men do now days?

    Anyway I'm glad it was cleared up fairly quickly and this kind of false accusations do deserve custodial sentence.


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    #99
    Atlantic Dawn
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    This makeruper got 18 years, she should get more...
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/26/carl-beech-vip-paedophile-ring-accuser-jailed-for-18-years


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    #100
    antix80
    Registered Users Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭antix80


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Yes better to be careful and not to talk to women at all and just sit at home and call them lying sluts. Isn't that what beta men do now days?

    Anyway I'm glad it was cleared up fairly quickly and this kind of false accusations do deserve custodial sentence.

    There's an empty bottle if i ever heard one. Vague, throwing shade, no opinion worth voicing..


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    #101
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    This makeruper got 18 years, she should get more...
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/26/carl-beech-vip-paedophile-ring-accuser-jailed-for-18-years

    And thats because she is a woman? She should got more than paedophile who fraudulently obtaine 20k, possessed child abuse images and caised a lot more damage with his false accusations. At least you are honest that you think paedophilia is less despicable than what she did.


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    #102
    racso1975
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    Jez you'd swear there was never a rape case where the defendant was found innocent prior to the one up the north.

    People using the metoo movement is total bull****. Recording was going on well before that.

    No matter what sentance she gets she'll still have to face everyone afterwards which im sure will be a lot harder.

    But the fact remains and is shown in this thread people judged her cause she had an orgy and that's obviously what she feared most. People judging others lifestyle choice


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    #103
    Sorry about that
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    Undoubtedly this girl has made a total mess of things, and hopefully justice will be served for the sake of the guys she lied about.

    The issue is that she lied, not that she had sex with them. Some of the posts here, calling her a slut, and sneering at feminism, make for very enlightening if uncomfortable reading. No doubt softly spoken gents in the real world.


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    #104
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Sorry about that wrote: »
    Undoubtedly this girl has made a total mess of things, and hopefully justice will be served for the sake of the guys she lied about.

    The issue is that she lied, not that she had sex with them. Some of the posts here, calling her a slut, and sneering at feminism, make for very enlightening if uncomfortable reading. No doubt softly spoken gents in the real world.

    Plus false allegations make it a lot harder for actual victims of rape to be believed too. I have no sympathy for her but a bit of perspective is needed. The accused boys were cleared in a few days, Carl Beech in comparison destroyed lives.


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    #105
    antix80
    Registered Users Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭antix80


    Sorry about that wrote: »
    The issue is that she lied, not that she had sex with them. Some of the posts here, calling her a slut, and sneering at feminism, make for very enlightening if uncomfortable reading. No doubt softly spoken gents in the real world.

    I suppose the question is what do you mean by slut? Where do you draw the line?


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    #106
    antix80
    Registered Users Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭antix80


    meeeeh wrote: »
    . The accused boys were cleared in a few days, Carl Beech in comparison destroyed lives.

    Sorry didn't rake through the entire thread but wtf does Carl beech have to do with anything? Is he a Cypriot?

    Anyway

    The accused boys were cleared because it's cyprus and not the uk

    They'd be cleared in italy, spain, portugal, israel, South america.... But not ireland, canada, the u.s,, well any woke English-speaking country that the metoo hashtag isn't used ironically


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    #107
    Sleeper12
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    meeeeh wrote:
    Plus false allegations make it a lot harder for actual victims of rape to be believed too. I have no sympathy for her but a bit of perspective is needed. The accused boys were cleared in a few days, Carl Beech in comparison destroyed lives.


    Her lies were so outlandish that her story fell apart quickly. What if she only accused the three that she actually had sex with? There would be a court case & they might have been found guilty.

    I don't agree with some that they should throw away the key but she definitely needs to be charged & brought through the court system with some punishment if found guilty.


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    #108
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    antix80 wrote: »
    Sorry didn't rake through the entire thread but wtf does Carl beech have to do with anything? Is he a Cypriot?

    Anyway

    The accused boys were cleared because it's cyprus and not the uk

    They'd be cleared in italy, spain, portugal, israel, South america.... But not ireland, canada, the u.s,, well any woke English-speaking country that the metoo hashtag isn't used ironically

    I'll ignore your Twitter induced frustrations in last paragraph but someone about 5 post above claimed she deserves higher penalty than Carl Beech. You don't need to rake through the whole thread just read the posts you are actually replying to.


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    #109
    Ecce No Homo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 129 ✭✭Ecce No Homo


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Well if you are afraid they will destroy your life with false accusations then the best course of action is not to have sex.

    I think it's a given that the pitiful collection of beta males, dweebs, losers and men's rights activists in this thread are not having sex in any case.


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    #110
    antix80
    Registered Users Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭antix80


    A fair penalty is the sentence the people she falsely accused would have got if found guilty.


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    #111
    Sorry about that
    Closed Accounts Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Sorry about that


    antix80 wrote: »
    I suppose the question is what do you mean by slut? Where do you draw the line?

    The word slut is a derogatory term used to describe a person who has casual sex with different partners. I don't refer to anyone as a slut, so there is no line. It's none of my business.

    I don't believe that any girl/woman really wants group sex, and I think she'd have regretted it even if she hadn't created the rest of the mess that she stupidly did. I think that sexual promiscuity is a really bad idea for many reasons, but name calling, not for me.


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    #112
    antix80
    Registered Users Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭antix80


    Ecce No Homo wrote: »
    I think it's a given that the woeful collection of beta males, dweebs, losers and men's rights activists in this thread are not having sex in the any case.

    What's with the homophobic username?

    It's funny how so-called feminists try to shame men using crude, sexual terms ("oh you don't get any, you're an incel, probably **** in your parents basement") when the tables are turned they get all precious about how we must believe the lies of some of the nastiest and skankiest women and how it's all the fault of toxic masculinity. Well, women can be pretty toxic too


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    #113
    antix80
    Registered Users Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭antix80


    Sorry about that wrote: »
    The word slut is a derogatory term used to describe a person who has casual sex with different partners. I don't refer to anyone as a slut, so there is no line. It's none of my business.

    I don't believe that any girl/woman really wants group sex, and I think she'd have regretted it even if she hadn't created the rest of the mess that she stupidly did. I think that sexual promiscuity is a really bad idea for many reasons, but name calling, not for me.

    No you're right. Labelling is bad form.

    Why use a noun when a long-winded dictionary definition is kinder?

    He's not a rapist. That's name calling. He's a man who likes penetration without consent.

    I do believe some people, male and female, want group sex. I believe many will regret it, especially if someone finds out. If the worst that comes out of it is name calling you're doing alright.


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    #114
    Atlantic Dawn
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    What first attracted her on her own to 12 males that she later thought raped her?


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    #115
    Sorry about that
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    antix80 wrote: »
    No you're right. Labelling is bad form.

    Why use a noun when a long-winded dictionary definition is kinder?

    He's not a rapist. That's name calling. He's a man who likes penetration without consent.

    I do believe some people, male and female, want group sex. I believe many will regret it, especially if someone finds out. If the worst that comes out of it is name calling you're doing alright.

    You asked me what I meant by slut, and now you're being sarcastic when I give you the accepted meaning. Rapist isn't a derogatory term.

    I don't believe you want a discussion, your post reads as an annoying wind up. I'm out.


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    #116
    antix80
    Registered Users Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭antix80


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    What first attracted her on her own to 12 males that she later thought raped her?

    She placed her worth in her perceived desirability, which she judged by the amount of men who wanted to do her at the same time. I'd say she decided to lower her inhibitions by consuming alcohol.


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    #117
    Atlantic Dawn
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    antix80 wrote: »
    She placed her worth in her perceived desirability, which she judged by the amount of men who wanted to do her at the same time. I'd say she decided to lower her inhibitions by consuming alcohol.


    Inhibitions by consuming alcohol would imply her 'friends' thought she was perfectly sober. Or was she in Ayia Napa the party capital of Cyprus on her own?


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    #118
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Yes better to be careful and not to talk to women at all and just sit at home and call them lying sluts. Isn't that what beta men do now days?

    Anyway I'm glad it was cleared up fairly quickly and this kind of false accusations do deserve custodial sentence.

    Oh talking to women and having the craic where there’s other people around is fine and should be encouraged. That’s how you get to know people.


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    #119
    antix80
    Registered Users Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭antix80


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Inhibitions by consuming alcohol would imply her friends thought she was perfectly sober.

    I think inhibitions are a very personal thing.


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    #120
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    What first attracted her on her own to 12 males that she later thought raped her?

    Their seems to have been a mutual desire to have an orgy of penetrative sex.


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    #121
    antix80
    Registered Users Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭antix80


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Their seems to have been a mutual desire to have an orgy of penetrative sex.

    A form of bonding i suppose. Similar to how cavemen may have socialised by spit-roasting a boar. Time for bed I think. Sayonara


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