Serbia thanks Russia for military assistance.

Jimmy Garlic

A wise decision by the proud nation of Serbia. It is clear why Serbia chooses to align itself with the Russian Federation considering the way it was demonised and scapegoated for the Yugoslav wars. Hopefully it will remain a bastion against NATO in the Balkans for a long time to come.

https://www.apnews.com/f16d99a1a5a74f2fbae828d5760af33a

Stevieluvsye

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

A wise decision by the proud nation of Serbia. It is clear why Serbia chooses to align itself with the Russian Federation considering the way it was demonised and scapegoated for the Yugoslav wars. Hopefully it will remain a bastion against NATO in the Balkans for a long time to come.

https://www.apnews.com/f16d99a1a5a74f2fbae828d5760af33a

Corrupt as fcuk, even more so than Croatia

jam_mac_jam

Serbia has been aligned with Russia for over a hundred years. It is a historical traditional link that goes back much further then the nineties. Was a major contribution to the start of the first world war.

Markcheese

Why "the proud nation" of Serbia.? any more or less proud than any other nation...
I've no major problem with any country improving its defence capabilities.. Although if it destabilises its neighbours and increases the likely hood of conflict.. Its not great

mad muffin

Well they are both Slavs.

Gatling

Serbia with its sizeable far right groups aligned to Moscow you can see how this goes .

NKante

What we did to the Serbs was disgusting. They were allied with us in WWII as well.

People tend to forget why Slobo was elected in the first place. When I say "forget", I mean purposely mislead and ignore.

Chris_Heilong

NKante wrote: »

What we did to the Serbs was disgusting. They were allied with us in WWII as well.

People tend to forget why Slobo was elected in the first place. When I say "forget", I mean purposely mislead and ignore.

Who is us? In WW2 we were neutral, we were not on any side.

riffmongous

NKante wrote: »

What we did to the Serbs was disgusting. They were allied with us in WWII as well.

People tend to forget why Slobo was elected in the first place. When I say "forget", I mean purposely mislead and ignore.

We, they, us, who are you referring to with any of this?

Moghead

NKante wrote: »

What we did to the Serbs was disgusting. They were allied with us in WWII as well.

People tend to forget why Slobo was elected in the first place. When I say "forget", I mean purposely mislead and ignore.

What did we do to the Serbs?

banie01

NKante wrote: »

What we did to the Serbs was disgusting. They were allied with us in WWII as well.

Who is this we?

riffmongous

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

A wise decision by the proud nation of Serbia. It is clear why Serbia chooses to align itself with the Russian Federation considering the way it was demonised and scapegoated for the Yugoslav wars. Hopefully it will remain a bastion against NATO in the Balkans for a long time to come.

https://www.apnews.com/f16d99a1a5a74f2fbae828d5760af33a

They heavily deserve all the demonisation they got! And far more. Now the scapegoating is slightly different alright, Croatia got off very lightly for it's crimes because it was on the right side.. same with it's crimes in WW2 that are almost unknown and we are seeing the fruit of that now with the high rates of far-right nationalism in the country. Still doesn't excuse Serbia and the Serbs though.

As for the article itself.. Serbia should be wary of NATO alright at this point in all honesty, they brought it on themselves but still that's the reality now

NKante

Moghead wrote: »

What did we do to the Serbs?

Bombed the crap out of them mate.


When I said "us". I meant the allies against the Germans.

Stevieluvsye

NKante wrote: »

Bombed the crap out of them mate.


When I said "us". I meant the allies against the Germans.

We were Neutral mate!

Moghead

NKante wrote: »

Bombed the crap out of them mate.


When I said "us". I meant the allies against the Germans.

Did the Allies bomb Serbia in WW2?

riffmongous

NKante wrote: »

Bombed the crap out of them mate.


When I said "us". I meant the allies against the Germans.

What are you on about?

banie01

NKante wrote: »

Bombed the crap out of them mate.


When I said "us". I meant the allies against the Germans.

"We" weren't part of the allied forces tho?
We were neutral and didn't contribute forces to any side let alone the allies in WW2, or in the NATO action because funnily enough...
"We" aren't in NATO!

NKante

Hate to break it to you guys....


But....



I'm a Brit.



We weren't neutral, we took on evil and defeated it.:cool:

iamwhoiam

NKante wrote: »

Hate to break it to you guys....


But....



I'm a Brit.



We weren't neutral, we took on evil and defeated it.:cool:

Then speak for yourself

NKante

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Then speak for yourself

No worries mate, forgot where I was.

Apologies if the flag is a bit triggering.

banie01

NKante wrote: »

Hate to break it to you guys....


But....



I'm a Brit.



We weren't neutral, we took on evil and defeated it.:cool:

That's great for you and all but claiming a royal "we" on Ireland's biggest chat forum is going to lead to plenty of WTF's...

So enjoy your reminiscing of Empire, the Congress of Europe and the creation of the Balkan crisis thru to the NATO actions...
But that wasn't a "we" action, it was a "you and yours" one

Elmer Blooker

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

We were Neutral mate!

We weren't neutral in 1995 when the EU by looking the other way and remaining silent supported the ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of Serb civilians by Croatian ultra-right Ustase forces.
The Croats are the 'good guys' now so that little episode of ethnic cleansing of civilians can now be forgotten and erased from history.

riffmongous

You seem to have the famous British* grasp of international history anyway





*Apologies to all the regular British people here

Stevieluvsye

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

We weren't neutral in 1995 when the EU by looking the other way and remaining silent supported the ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of Serb civilians by Croatian ultra-right Ustase forces.
The Croats are the 'good guys' now so that little episode of ethnic cleansing of civilians can now be forgotten and erased from history.

What's that go to do about being Neutral during the World Wars?

Gatling

Should be interesting in a few years Serbia wants to join the EU , wants to be more a European state ,
Russia and it's far right groups don't ,
Will we see a serb civil war at the behest of Moscow to maintain a say in the country

ILoveYourVibes

NKante wrote: »

What we did to the Serbs was disgusting. They were allied with us in WWII as well.

People tend to forget why Slobo was elected in the first place. When I say "forget", I mean purposely mislead and ignore.

Firstly there was no Serbia then only Yugoslavia.
Secondly No they weren't. They signed up the Tripartite Pact.

What happened was Germany didn't honor the pact they invaded Yugoslavia.

The Serbian PM (Milan Nedic)at the time was absolutely loyal to Hitler.

DimitrijeLjotic raised support for the Nazi invasion and called for people to volunteer for active service with the Germans. He said resistance of militias was unpatriotic.

Serbian Newspapers like Nasa Borba and Obnova wrote ''
"Serbs should not wait for the Germans to begin the extermination of the Jews."

An outright declaration of what was going to happen to jews. So they can't say they didn't know.



Quote from the SS

"Serbia is the only country in which the Jewish question and the Gypsy question has been solved."

The serbian people however helped to save many thousands of jews. And they formed militias.

Serbia and Croatia both have a history of siding with the 'big man'.

NKante

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Firstly there was no Serbia then only Yugoslavia.
Secondly No they weren't. They signed up the Tripartite Pact.

What happened was Germany didn't honor the pact they invaded Yugoslavia.

The Serbian PM (Milan Nedic)at the time was absolutely loyal to Hitler.

DimitrijeLjotic raised support for the Nazi invasion and called for people to volunteer for active service with the Germans. He said resistance of militias was unpatriotic.

Serbian Newspapers like Nasa Borba and Obnova wrote ''
"Serbs should not wait for the Germans to begin the extermination of the Jews."

Not even in Germany do you get such and outright declaration of what was going to happen to jews.



Quote from the SS


The serbian people however helped to save many thousands of jews. And they formed militias.

Serbs have a history of siding with the 'big man'.

I'm pretty sure the Serbs fought with the allies and the Croats fought with the Germans.

Are you getting confused between the two? The Serbs were occupied.

ILoveYourVibes

NKante wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the Serbs fought with the allies and the Croats fought with the Germans.

Are you getting confused between the two? The Serbs were occupied.

No. I am not.

Nedic and Ljotic are serbs not croatians.

Both Croatians and Serbs fought with the Germans.

.

jam_mac_jam

NKante wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the Serbs fought with the allies and the Croats fought with the Germans.

Are you getting confused between the two? The Serbs were occupied.

No, not always on the side of the allies. More complicated. The Chetniks collaborated with the Germans and Italians at various points. They were more interested in killing Bosnians.


The British withdrew their support in favour of the communist partisans due to this. The Serbs were occupied though, they became part of Croatia. There was no Serbia at the time. The croats were on the side of the Germans though and committed horrible crimes against the Serbs.

ILoveYourVibes

NKante wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the Serbs fought with the allies and the Croats fought with the Germans.

Are you getting confused between the two? The Serbs were occupied.

It was one country back then.

Croatians were occupied too.

They both helped the Germans.

And Yugoslavia signed the

Also please notice my edit to the post

You do get outright declarations of what will happen to Jews in German newspapers.
They signed up the Tripartite Pact.

ILoveYourVibes

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

No, not always on the side of the allies. More complicated. The Chetniks collaborated with the Germans and Italians at various points. They were more interested in killing Bosnians.


The British withdrew their support in favour of the communist partisans due to this. The Serbs were occupied though, they became part of Croatia. There was no Serbia at the time. The croats were on the side of the Germans though and committed horrible crimes against the Serbs.

They were not at all on the side of the allies.

NKante

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No. I am not.

Nedic and Ljotic are serbs not croatians.

Both Croatians and Serbs fought with the Germans.

.

The Croats massacred the Serbs. There were Chetniks who were Serbs and they fought with the allies.

ILoveYourVibes

By the way Serbia and Croatia have both been accused of Holocaust denial.

I wouldn't trust anything their govts or embassies say.

jam_mac_jam

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They were not at all on the side of the allies.

Sorry, who wasn't? The chetniks? The communists?

NKante

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

By the way Serbia and Croatia have both been accused of Holocaust denial.

I wouldn't trust anything their govts or embassies say.

Disappointing, I love Djokovic.

Still, if I had to choose it would be Serbs for me. Croats still have a larger Nazi problem despite the left telling us it's the Serbs.

I remember a few years ago deciding I was going to study the whole Yugoslav region and find out about all the various ethnics and the tensions between..

I think I gave up. Just a complete mess.

ILoveYourVibes

NKante wrote: »

The Croats massacred the Serbs..

That was long after ww2.

There were Chetniks who were Serbs and they fought with the allies

They didn't fight with the allies. They were resisting communists. They were primarily fighting a civil war with Yugoslav communist guerrillas, the Partisans.

.

Gatling

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

By the way Serbia and Croatia have both been accused of Holocaust denial.

I wouldn't trust anything their govts or embassies say.

They both tried to have each other prosecuted for war crimes and genocide but neither had any real evidence to support their claims

ILoveYourVibes

NKante wrote: »

Disappointing, I love Djokovic.

Still, if I had to choose it would be Serbs for me. Croats still have a larger Nazi problem despite the left telling us it's the Serbs.

I remember a few years ago deciding I was going to study the whole Yugoslav region and find out about all the various ethnics and the tensions between..

I think I gave up. Just a complete mess.

Why can't you still love Djokovic?

He seems a nice guy

It would be like saying you can't like Diane Kruger.

jam_mac_jam

NKante wrote: »

Disappointing, I love Djokovic.

Still, if I had to choose it would be Serbs for me. Croats still have a larger Nazi problem despite the left telling us it's the Serbs.

I remember a few years ago deciding I was going to study the whole Yugoslav region and find out about all the various ethnics and the tensions between..

I think I gave up. Just a complete mess.

The left? Why would the left be pro Croat?
They are all right wing.

Does left now mean anyone I don't agree with?

ILoveYourVibes

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

The left? Why would the left be pro Croat?
They are all right wing.

Does left now mean anyone I don't agree with?

Yep.

It was THAT kind of nationalism and nationalist separatism.

And for all that Germany invaded them anyway and shot 100 serb men for every German soldier killed by any resistance.

And still the PM helped the Germans.

NKante

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

The left? Why would the left be pro Croat?
They are all right wing.

Does left now mean anyone I don't agree with?

Well it was primarily the left that sold us the NATO war on Serbia. So in order to gain public support, we were inundated for months/years with ant-Serb propaganda.

mcmoustache

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

The left? Why would the left be pro Croat?
They are all right wing.

Does left now mean anyone I don't agree with?

My impression is that yes, that's what it means. It's all over this forum with all sorts of generalisations about this "Left". It's getting tiresome.

ILoveYourVibes

NKante wrote: »

Well it was primarily the left that sold us the NATO war on Serbia. So in order to gain public support, we were inundated for months/years with ant-Serb propaganda.

I think it was anti milosevic

I am certainly not anti serbian.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Europe as a whole needs to get off the American tit and embrace mother Russia and the belt and road initiative.

jam_mac_jam

NKante wrote: »

Well it was primarily the left that sold us the NATO war on Serbia. So in order to gain public support, we were inundated for months/years with ant-Serb propaganda.

What are you talking about?


Seriously, this was not left wing driven at all, do you honestly think Nato are Left wing, seriously? This happened in the nineties, just after the cold war. What do you think Nato was set up for? The US were the main supports of the bombing.


Really you need to read up on some of what went on. Not saying the Croats also didn't commit war crimes, they did. But anti Serb propaganda, come on. If anything Nato should have done more sooner. To both sides.

ILoveYourVibes

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Europe as a whole needs to get off the American tit and embrace mother Russia and the belt and road initiative.

I think embracing Russia and embracing the Russian govt are two totally different things.

If they embraced Russian Business more then they would actually have leverage over putin.

I do think the west swallows the anti russian thing whole though.

meeeeh

Ah good. They managed to be involved in 5 wars in 20th century. You can't keep up that kind of average without tanks.

ILoveYourVibes

Ireland has been in relatively few wars.

meeeeh

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Ireland has been in relatively few wars.

Ireland has only one neighbour and it's in the corner if Europe. There were no marching pats from Framce to Russia ir from Turkey to Vienna there.

ILoveYourVibes

meeeeh wrote: »

Ireland has only one neighbour and it's in the corner if Europe. There were no marching pats from Framce to Russia ir from Turkey to Vienna there.

Iceland has had 3 in the 20th century none of them to do with world wars.

They actually let someone die over cod.

Gatling

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Ireland has been in relatively few wars.

But you will find hundreds of thousands of Irish have been involved in every conflict from the Americas to European Africa , south east Asia ,and middle East .

We maybe non aligned but that means very little