Sexual assaults in Courtown - see OP for mod warning - updated 01/08/19

expectationlost

strandroad wrote: »

Teenagers were questioned, some articles say.

which articles?

Beechwoodspark

Boggles wrote: »

Where did I say that?

I posted a link from the Irish Times that stated the guards did not have detailed descriptions yet as they were waiting for the girls to come out of shock and be interviewed with a specialist team.

Why are you making things up?

What description did your local contacts give you by the way?

So now u DO want me to post up local rumours?

I can’t win either way with u can I

alastair

Anto Lynch wrote: »

What should we be seeing here?

Accusations against the direct provision residents in the context of the rapes in Courtown. It’s hardly dogwhistle stuff. Nor does it support the whole “who mentioned direct provision?” contention.

alastair

expectationlost wrote: »

which articles?

The ones linked in this thread.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110843761&postcount=282

Roger Hassenforder

Pissartist wrote: »

Let me guess, you an el bee are mid twenties with no kids

Where did you derive such a view?

Both of us thinking parents need to be more responsible means Im a kid myself?

Pissartist

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Where did you derive such a view?

Both of us thinking parents need to be more responsible means Im a kid myself?

I still think blaming the parents is pathetic in all honesty, the kids could have snuck out for all we know, it’s a tragedy this and the focus should be on the perps with descriptions given so we can protect all our kids, this silly petty argument is just bs of the highest order

joesoap667

alastair wrote: »

Seems legit to register to tell this tale. 🙄

i know its really uncomfortable, i actually ended up getting really bad mental health problems ( already had them ) from this ordeal ( i was almost attacked by them , pulled into their apartment) im not looking for validation, as i said just passing on some stories from under the rug. Im strongly liberal and have friends from all the continents of the world who i grew up with. Sorry if i offended anyone

Roger Hassenforder

Pissartist wrote: »

I stand corrected so, me too by the way which is why this has upset me so much

Fair enough pissartist!

If one of mine was so attacked in such circumstances (that we know of), i know I'd feel i failed them. Doesnt mean i am responsible for their rape.

Roger Hassenforder

Pissartist wrote: »

I still think blaming the parents is pathetic in all honesty, the kids could have snuck out for all we know, it’s a tragedy this and the focus should be on the perps with descriptions given so we can protect all our kids, this silly petty argument is just bs of the highest order

but questioning parental care/supervision isnt victim blaming

Pissartist

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

but questioning parental care/supervision isnt victim blaming

It is when we don’t know any details, you know what teens are like, you fall asleep on the couch and they’re gone or they get in a hormonal mood and they’re gone, you can’t always control them and that goes for most families I know anyway

Ballso

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

but questioning parental care/supervision isnt victim blaming

It's not direct victim blaming no, but it's the first step down that road. The victims come from **** working class families who don't care about their kids. Same sneering **** we had with anyone who spoke up against rapists in the church or the rape gangs in the UK, castigating the families of the victims.

Someone will be along to question the sexual history of the victims next.

El_Bee

Pissartist wrote: »

It is when we don’t know any details, you know what teens are like, you fall asleep on the couch and they’re gone or they get in a hormonal mood and they’re gone, you can’t always control them and that goes for most families I know anyway

you sound like a fantastic parent

jam_mac_jam

El_Bee wrote: »

you sound like a fantastic parent

Because they fall asleep? The horror, should be locked up.

jam_mac_jam

Ballso wrote: »

It's not direct victim blaming no, but it's the first step down that road. The victims come from **** working class families who don't care about their kids. Same sneering **** we had with anyone who spoke up against rapists in the church or the rape gangs in the UK, castigating the families of the victims.

Someone will be along to question the sexual history of the victims next.

Its also completely irrelevant, it could have happened at eight o clock, what would people have to blame the parents then?


What difference does it make only to decrease the crime of the rapist. People have been raped in the morning at all times of the day, it doesn't matter what the parents did or did not do.

Roger Hassenforder

Ballso wrote: »

It's not direct victim blaming no, but it's the first step down that road. The victims come from **** working class families who don't care about their kids. Same sneering **** we had with anyone who spoke up against rapists in the church or the rape gangs in the UK, castigating the families of the victims.

Someone will be along to question the sexual history of the victims next.

How in the name of jesus christ is saying parents need to be more responsible '"a step down the road" to victim blaming, particularly after what I've also said?

How in the aforementioned name, have you jumped to a tirade, replete with ****s, that theres some veneer of a sneering class attitude in my post? You know nothing about me, my circumstances, yet have gone full outraged for some reason. Yours is the first mention of sexual history of the victims, no one had raised it. Because its irrelevant.

joesoap667

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Nobody is remotely offended by your story so there is no need to keep apologizing.


Maybe you should start another relevant thread as your story is not really anything to do with the story being discussed.

.......... :L thanks but im trying to move on from my next door grooming gang ordeal, and get back to a normal life with mental wellness. im off anyway thanks guys and @Boards

El_Bee

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Because they fall asleep? The horror, should be locked up.

yeah that's what I was pointing out, not the "ah sure we're powerless" mentality

joesoap667

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Dude, this is boards...

As you might have just realised, people arent interested in personal stories, unless you can produce a peer reviewed journal by sectoral experts to support your point. Even articles in certain newspapers are insufficient.
And never apologise in here, its like chumming sharks

Other than that, its a welcoming site.

i like the sophistication in that statement, makes me feel more like the blue collar peasant i am :L its all fine and dandy till its one of your loved ones that gets caught up in this stuff, remember that. Ive overstayed here anyway i didnt intend on writing this many comments sorry @boards im off peace guys

splinter65

Pissartist wrote: »

this response is just shocking, but continue to shield the RAPISTS with this ridiculous point scoring argument over victim blaming.

What’s shocking? The idea that parents are responsible for the whereabouts of their 14 year olds?

Beechwoodspark

Yep I’ve heard rumblings of stories about grooming in diff parts of “culturally enriched” Ireland over the last while.

FWIW I know of a journalist for a National paper investigating such cases.

Pissartist

El_Bee wrote: »

you sound like a fantastic parent

you sound like a very intelligent, empathetic person

expectationlost

not sure exactly when these articles were published but

https://kilkennynow.ie/garda-hunt-focused-on-kilkenny-after-three-teens-report-gang-sex-attack-in-wexford/

The Garda spokesperson told KilkennyNow.ie they were not aware of this, and there has been no contact from the gardai in Wexford.

https://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/home/435007/breaking-garda-probe-kilkenny-teenagers-in-connection-to-courtown-sex-attacks.html

Gardapoke to a number of Kilkenny teenagers yesterday in connection with alleged sex attacks in Courtown in the early hours of Sunday morning.

It is understood that the young men, all of whom are juveniles, were in the Courtown area at the time of the alleged attacks.

IT still describing them as men https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/specialist-garda%C3%AD-interview-girls-at-centre-of-courtown-sex-assault-allegations-1.3973029

Roger Hassenforder

And i want to hear about the Lithuanian neighbour

El_Bee

Pissartist wrote: »

you sound like a very intelligent, empathetic person

I have empathy for those girls, no one should go what they have gone through, and I wish we lived in a country with a functional judicial system so that the men responsible don't get a light or suspended sentence, but there is a responsibility to parents to know where their children are after a certain time. if this happened in broad daylight then yes, it would not be reasonable to demand that parents know where 14 year olds are at all times during the day, especially on holiday, but after midnight? no being on holiday is no excuse, there's no holiday from being a good parent.

InTheShadows

El_Bee wrote: »

if you think letting children out till 5am is a good idea then I pray you never have children.

Iv'e two girls and they are outstanding human beings.

Where did i say i'd let them out until 5am. I said i should be able to without fear of them being raped. It's just the usual tripe from people like yourself deflecting from the actions of the criminal.

Boggles

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

So now u DO want me to post up local rumours?

They are only rumours, they were pretty solid when you were smearing them on the thread earlier. :pac:

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Sorry you havnt a clue on this one boggles

Have plenty of local contacts in courtown from the wife’s family.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

the kk thing is a diversion from what I’ve heard from local contacts

If you could link to where I said this I would appreciate it.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

You would have to tell us why you don’t want descriptions of the suspects out there.

Or you know retract it and apologize.

El_Bee

InTheShadows wrote: »

Iv'e two girls and they are outstanding human beings.

Where did i say i'd let them out until 5am. I said i should be able to without fear of them being raped. It's just the usual tripe from people like yourself deflecting from the actions of the criminal.

InTheShadows wrote: »

The girls should be allowed sit outside until 5am if they see fit without fear of been raped.

here, you said it right here.

Beechwoodspark

Boggles

I have local contacts.

Mod has instructed no speculation so I will follow that instruction.

InTheShadows

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

If parents did more "parenting", we wouldnt have half the social ills we have.

Are the parents responsible for the rape/sex assault of those kids? No. The only people responsible are the perpetrators.

But if the parents were skulling pints "fúck it, i'm on me 'ollidays", and neglecting their responsibilities to make sure their kids were safe (as far as reasonably practical), its not VICTIM BLAMING to ventilate a view that parents may not have been as responsible as they might.

Yes its unfortunate, and why if you dont want such responsibility, you shouldnt have kids.

What a load of utter scutter. The parents of these kids bear zero responsibility for their children being sexually assaulted and raped.

I'm out. This thread is a birds eye view and Irish society and tbh it hasn't moved on that much at all.

Boggles

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Boggles

I have local contacts.

Mod has instructed no speculation so I will follow that instruction.

Your mother in law or brother in law living there is not a "contact" FFS. :rolleyes:

Stop clogging up the thread with your complete spoofing.