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Sexual assaults in Courtown - see OP for mod warning - updated 01/08/19

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    #812
    kona
    Registered Users Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    splinter65 wrote: »
    This wasn’t “grabbing”. Modern “grabbing” is now pre arranged between the young people and involves a perfectly willing girl being grabbed by the object of her desire, usually at a family wedding, then screaming that her honour has been violated. Her father then appears on the scene, fetched by her brothers, and the violater agrees to put things right by marrying her.
    This incident was rape. A totally different scene.

    Wow i didnt think my opinion of their culture could drop even further!


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    #813
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    splinter65 wrote: »
    This wasn’t “grabbing”. Modern “grabbing” is now pre arranged between the young people and involves a perfectly willing girl being grabbed by the object of her desire, usually at a family wedding, then screaming that her honour has been violated. Her father then appears on the scene, fetched by her brothers, and the violater agrees to put things right by marrying her.
    This incident was rape. A totally different scene.

    Am I correct in assuming you are describing ritualised 'sexual assault'? That's some level of bs and yet we are expected to respect this as part of a defined culture.


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    #814
    satguy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭satguy


    I'm really sorry to see that the Traveller Community are adding sexual abuse to their long list of miss deeds.

    Arbour Hill Prison was the last prison in Ireland that was not accommodating disproportionate numbers of that culture.
    Looks like it will now fall in line with all our other prisons.


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    #815
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Sexual assault has always been a problem in the travelling community but its seen as part of life, one of those things you have to deal with when you're a woman. A bit like domestic violence.


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    #816
    HailSatan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 328 ✭✭HailSatan


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Am I correct in assuming you are describing ritualised 'sexual assault'? That's some level of bs and yet we are expected to respect this as part of a defined culture.

    kenny_indo


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    #817
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Am I correct in assuming you are describing ritualised 'sexual assault'? That's some level of bs and yet we are expected to respect this as part of a defined culture.

    Where do you see the sexual assault here?I’m interested. The boy and the girl pre arrange the “grab”. The grab takes place. Boy and girl are now engaged. That was the mutual objective of the plan. Can you identify the point at which either of them were sexually assaulted?!?


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    #818
    HailSatan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 328 ✭✭HailSatan


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Where do you see the sexual assault here?I’m interested. The boy and the girl pre arrange the “grab”. The grab takes place. Boy and girl are now engaged. That was the mutual objective of the plan. Can you identify the point at which either of them were sexually assaulted?!?

    So it's a false claim of sexual assault?


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    #819
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Where do you see the sexual assault here?I’m interested. The boy and the girl pre arrange the “grab”. The grab takes place. Boy and girl are now engaged. That was the mutual objective of the plan. Can you identify the point at which either of them were sexually assaulted?!?

    I read an article in the Indo where a traveller girl described 'grabbing' as assault. It's not their purses or jewerly the lads are interested in. Assault particularly sexual assault whether real or pretend is nothing to be celebrated or emulated.


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    #820
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users Posts: 86,777 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    Four teenagers have been arrested on suspicion of rape
    https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2019/1003/1080823-courtown-wexford/

    Only 1 scumbag rapist is 18, the others minors :eek:
    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #821
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Only 1 scumbag rapist is 18, the others minors :eek:

    alleged


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    #822
    randd1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭randd1


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    alleged

    Alleged with good reason.


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    #823
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    HailSatan wrote: »
    So it's a false claim of sexual assault?

    What is?


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    #824
    HailSatan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 328 ✭✭HailSatan


    splinter65 wrote: »
    What is?

    Indeed.

    What is it that they get so excited about?


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    #825
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users Posts: 86,777 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    randd1 wrote: »
    Alleged with good reason.

    Why would anyone lie about rape, maybe I'm naive but if it's a lie those girls then should be prosecuted

    I assume the victim(s) were examined and sufficient evidence for the DPP to bring a case
    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #826
    HailSatan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 328 ✭✭HailSatan


    Splinter65 is accusing traveller girls of false accusations here if I'm reading his posts correctly.


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    #827
    RebelButtMunch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,384 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    On the radio; all released without charge.


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    #828
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    HailSatan wrote: »
    Splinter65 is accusing traveller girls of false accusations here if I'm reading his posts correctly.

    No your not reading my posts correctly. Quote my post where I accused a traveller girl of making a false accusation. Or apologise. Thanks


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    #829
    HailSatan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 328 ✭✭HailSatan


    splinter65 wrote: »
    No your not reading my posts correctly. Quote my post where I accused a traveller girl of making a false accusation. Or apologise. Thanks

    You're welcome.
    splinter65 wrote: »
    This wasn’t “grabbing”. Modern “grabbing” is now pre arranged between the young people and involves a perfectly willing girl being grabbed by the object of her desire, usually at a family wedding, then screaming that her honour has been violated. Her father then appears on the scene, fetched by her brothers, and the violater agrees to put things right by marrying her.


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    #830
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    HailSatan wrote: »
    You're welcome.

    Now how will she get out of that one?


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    #831
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    HailSatan wrote: »
    You're welcome.

    You’re either stupid or your pretending to be stupid so that you can be seen to be right.
    Let’s see now which it is.
    Ok.
    I arrange an experiment with my friend.
    We are researching if strangers will come to my aid if I’m in distress.
    I’m walking on a busy street and I ask my friend to run past and snatch my iPhone out of my hand and continue to run and I’ll scream and collapse to the street etc..
    Do you think that I have been mugged?


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    #832
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Now how will she get out of that one?

    See below.


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    #833
    lleti
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 271 ✭✭lleti


    Overheal wrote: »
    Perhaps they feel the description would send the mob after the wrong sort of people.

    Oh **** did I spoil the dogwhistle of this thread. **** I’m sorry lads.

    This is very odd considering they give descriptions of criminals all the time.


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    #834
    HailSatan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 328 ✭✭HailSatan


    splinter65 wrote: »
    You’re either stupid or your pretending to be stupid so that you can be seen to be right.

    Was there a violation of the "grabbed" girl's honour?


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    #835
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    HailSatan wrote: »
    Was there a violation of the "grabbed" girl's honour?

    If you can’t answer the question I asked you then the answer is “I don’t know”.
    In the scenario I gave you, was I mugged or not?
    Last chance for you to answer either yes or no,


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    #836
    HailSatan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 328 ✭✭HailSatan


    splinter65 wrote: »
    If you can’t answer the question I asked you then the answer is “I don’t know”.,

    Don't you hashtag believe her?


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    #837
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,642 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    splinter65 wrote: »
    You’re either stupid or your pretending to be stupid so that you can be seen to be right.
    Let’s see now which it is.
    Ok.
    I arrange an experiment with my friend.
    We are researching if strangers will come to my aid if I’m in distress.
    I’m walking on a busy street and I ask my friend to run past and snatch my iPhone out of my hand and continue to run and I’ll scream and collapse to the street etc..
    Do you think that I have been mugged?


    If you are screaming about being mugged and passers-by believe you have been mugged, even though you and your 'mugger' friend know you have not actually been mugged, that's a false claim of mugging, surely. You are claiming something happened to you which did not happen to you, and which you know did not happen to you.

    Similarly, if the girl is screaming about her honour being violated and others believe that, because the whole point of the plan is to trick the girl's father and brothers to believe it and then trick them into forcing the guy to marry the girl (even if the guy himself is in on the plan), it's still a false claim of assault, surely.


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    #838
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    splinter65 wrote: »
    You’re either stupid or your pretending to be stupid so that you can be seen to be right.
    Let’s see now which it is.
    Ok.
    I arrange an experiment with my friend.
    We are researching if strangers will come to my aid if I’m in distress.
    I’m walking on a busy street and I ask my friend to run past and snatch my iPhone out of my hand and continue to run and I’ll scream and collapse to the street etc..
    Do you think that I have been mugged?

    Oh dear.

    Yes, people would think you have been mugged. Purely because you have acted like, and claim to have been mugged. You haven't though. That's why it is a FALSE accusation.

    Dig up.


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    #839
    ToBeFrank123
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    This will no doubt start a feud in the south east region, to go with the feuds in the north east and midlands.

    The Garda armed response unit has its hands full with these feuds.

    But sure its all part of the culture.


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    #840
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    splinter65 wrote: »
    See below.

    You still haven't extracted yourself from your nonsense. Try again...


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    #841
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    HailSatan wrote: »
    Don't you hashtag believe her?

    Good. You’ve admitted you are wrong. I accept your apology. Try to do better in future.


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