Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2019/2020

chicorytip

D'Agger wrote: »

Clean sheet deserved for Kelleher, well played. Elliot unlucky to score and looks very good, Hoever also looks well capable. A bit disappointed with Jones & Brewster but more to come hopefully

None of those will ever play in the Premiership. If Kelleher is good enough why was Adrian signed on a free transfer. Liverpool have rarely promoted those from the youth or reserve ranks to the first team. Apart from Alexander Arnold the current first choice eleven are expensive purchases. This is how the club has operated for decades now. Lads like Brewster and Jones will end up being sold to Championship or even lower level clubs.

Agent Coulson

A good run out for Nady.

Ox started shrug off the ring rust as the game went on.

Lallana as well got a run out.

Lovren and Gomez at times showed why the are well behind Matip and VVD.


The kids did well good to see Brewster get a game it will take him time.

Elliot has huge promise.

internelligent

chicorytip wrote: »

None of those will ever play in the Premiership. If Kelleher is good enough why was Adrian signed on a free transfer. Liverpool have rarely promoted those from the youth or reserve ranks to the first team. Apart from Alexander Arnold the current first choice eleven are expensive purchases. This is how the club has operated for decades now. Lads like Brewster and Jones will end up being sold to Championship or even lower level clubs.

You're being silly. All terrible arguments but you know that. Stop being silly.

giveitholly

chicorytip wrote: »

None of those will ever play in the Premiership. If Kelleher is good enough why was Adrian signed on a free transfer. Liverpool have rarely promoted those from the youth or reserve ranks to the first team. Apart from Alexander Arnold the current first choice eleven are expensive purchases. This is how the club has operated for decades now. Lads like Brewster and Jones will end up being sold to Championship or even lower level clubs.

Kelleher was injured at the start of the season but don't let the truth get in the way

ERG89

chicorytip wrote: »

Apart from Alexander Arnold the current first choice eleven are expensive purchases.

So much nope in this statement

Turtyturd

chicorytip wrote: »

None of those will ever play in the Premiership. If Kelleher is good enough why was Adrian signed on a free transfer. Liverpool have rarely promoted those from the youth or reserve ranks to the first team. Apart from Alexander Arnold the current first choice eleven are expensive purchases. This is how the club has operated for decades now. Lads like Brewster and Jones will end up being sold to Championship or even lower level clubs.

Hope it’s ok to point this out but you’re post here contains a load of rubbish.

TitianGerm

chicorytip wrote: »

None of those will ever play in the Premiership. If Kelleher is good enough why was Adrian signed on a free transfer. Liverpool have rarely promoted those from the youth or reserve ranks to the first team. Apart from Alexander Arnold the current first choice eleven are expensive purchases. This is how the club has operated for decades now. Lads like Brewster and Jones will end up being sold to Championship or even lower level clubs.

Bullsh*t. To say none of those players will ever play in the PL is nonsense.

Nice run out for the kids. Elsewhere scare avoided!

Onto Sheffield Utd next.

Agent Coulson

Man it's great to be one of the best two teams in the world.

Speak Now

chicorytip wrote: »

None of those will ever play in the Premiership. If Kelleher is good enough why was Adrian signed on a free transfer. Liverpool have rarely promoted those from the youth or reserve ranks to the first team. Apart from Alexander Arnold the current first choice eleven are expensive purchases. This is how the club has operated for decades now. Lads like Brewster and Jones will end up being sold to Championship or even lower level clubs.

Your knowledge of liverpool seems quite limited. Last week you were citing a phantom Watford collapse from last season and now you're puzzled as to why Adrian was signed lol.
Suck it up lad 6 times!

Muahahaha

Only just saw the highlights now as getting streams to work midweek is hell with everyone on the mobile network at the same time.
Cant believe how good Eliot looked and its hard to get over that he is just 16, we've some player on our hands there.

How did Naby get on, any good moments?

8-10

internelligent wrote: »

You're being silly. All terrible arguments but you know that. Stop being silly.

giveitholly wrote: »

Kelleher was injured at the start of the season but don't let the truth get in the way

ERG89 wrote: »

So much nope in this statement

Turtyturd wrote: »

Hope it’s ok to point this out but you’re post here contains a load of rubbish.

TitianGerm wrote: »

Bullsh*t. To say none of those players will ever play in the PL is nonsense.

Speak Now wrote: »

Your knowledge of liverpool seems quite limited. Last week you were citing a phantom Watford collapse from last season and now you're puzzled as to why Adrian was signed lol.
Suck it up lad 6 times!

That had the desired effect then! Don't let the lad go hungry

rizzodun

chicorytip wrote: »

None of those will ever play in the Premiership. If Kelleher is good enough why was Adrian signed on a free transfer. Liverpool have rarely promoted those from the youth or reserve ranks to the first team. Apart from Alexander Arnold the current first choice eleven are expensive purchases. This is how the club has operated for decades now. Lads like Brewster and Jones will end up being sold to Championship or even lower level clubs.

Matip - Free
Milner - Free
Robertson - £8m

Hon ta **** with that nonsense.

Agent Coulson

GBX

Jones was nervous . No stutter.


https://twitter.com/curtisjr_10/status/1176982600805703680?s=19

Decent result for the kids. And Milner

monkey9

chicorytip wrote: »

None of those will ever play in the Premiership. If Kelleher is good enough why was Adrian signed on a free transfer. Liverpool have rarely promoted those from the youth or reserve ranks to the first team. Apart from Alexander Arnold the current first choice eleven are expensive purchases. This is how the club has operated for decades now. Lads like Brewster and Jones will end up being sold to Championship or even lower level clubs.

Then I must have just imagined the likes of Fowler, Marsh, McManaman, Carragher, Owen, Gerrard, Warnock, Sterling, TAA etc over the last two or three decades.

TitianGerm

rizzodun wrote: »

Matip - Free
Milner - Free
Robertson - £8m

Hon ta **** with that nonsense.

Adrian - free
TAA - academy

amber69

TitianGerm wrote: »

Adrian - free
TAA - academy

Virgil. Mo. Mane. Ali. All bargains as well

Osmosis Jones

Most of the youth to play tonight are younger than Gerrard was when he made his debut.

rossie1977

chicorytip wrote: »

None of those will ever play in the Premiership. If Kelleher is good enough why was Adrian signed on a free transfer. Liverpool have rarely promoted those from the youth or reserve ranks to the first team. Apart from Alexander Arnold the current first choice eleven are expensive purchases. This is how the club has operated for decades now. Lads like Brewster and Jones will end up being sold to Championship or even lower level clubs.

Sterling, Fowler, Owen, Carragher, McManaman, Gerrard were all promoted from youth or reserve ranks over past 2.5 decades.

Not sure about current crop but the likes of Hoever, van den Berg, Elliott and Brewster have the potential to make an impact at Liverpool over next 5 years.

retalivity

Why wasnt shaq playing tonight?

amber69

retalivity wrote: »

Why wasnt shaq playing tonight?

Injured training Monday afaik

Harry Palmr

You'll be be thrilled to know I got my video streaming to work again. For reasons impissible to understand the flasher got disarmed.

amber69

Harry Palmr wrote: »

You'll be be thrilled to know I got my video streaming to work again. For reasons impissible to understand the FLASHER got disarmed.

Wrong tread Harry

shamrock55

Elliot is gonna be a serious player and I've no doubt whatsoever he will be a Liverpool regular in no time

Utopia Parkway

shamrock55 wrote: »

Elliot is gonna be a serious player and I've no doubt whatsoever he will be a Liverpool regular in no time

Yeah he's always taking the ball on the half turn and has lovely balance to him. Can shoot (not a bad effort with his weaker foot tonight) and can pick out a pass.

He won't even be 20 for another 4 years which is mad. He'll be really really good by then.

Harry Palmr

Often with these kid it's their body strength that reveals their lack of preparedness but Elliott looks like he's ready to do battle with gnarled centre backs.

facehugger99

Would like to see a good few of the lads last night given a chance in a glamour tie at home to Arsenal in the next round.

Overall I thought it was a very impressive performance, far less disjointed than I was expecting.

Entertaining match - could have finished 2-5.

fyfe79

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Good man. This stuff is their kryptonite. It'll help keep them away for another while...

fyfe79

facehugger99 wrote: »

Would like to see a good few of the lads last night given a chance in a glamour tie at home to Arsenal in the next round.

Overall I thought it was a very impressive performance, far less disjointed than I was expecting.

Entertaining match - could have finished 2-5.

This was the best part of last night - you can see that the youth players are drilled in the same style of play as the seniors. There's a cohesion and definitive approach which seems to run through the whole club as a philosophy. Bodes very well for the future.

As for the League Cup, wouldn't be upset if we lose any game up until the quarters. If we get to, and win, the quarter final then we need to win the competition, simple as, to justify the extra two semi-final fixtures.

rob316

The standard of the youth players technical skill is far higher now. Full of flair, good first touch, a far cry from the likes of Randall.

rob316

I would be all for Elliott getting more game time, playing with and against the best will only aid his development. You would be worried about throwing in very young players but he's not short of confidence and has the body strength to deal with been kicked around. If your good enough your old enough.

I'm really excited about this player, its my 3rd post on him since the game :pac:

MD1990

id rather Curtis Jones coming on in midfield than Lallana.

Lallana looks finished.

Boom_Bap

I thought Lallana slotted into the 6 position very well last night, he did fade probably due to lack of game time. He picked up the ball, wriggled out of tough spots and got a pass off.

MD1990

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I thought Lallana slotted into the 6 position very well last night, he did fade probably due to lack of game time. He picked up the ball, wriggled out of tough spots and got a pass off.

would get destroyed in the PL playing in that role.

He has done nothing in nearly 3 years. Very lucky to still be at the club.

Alonso77

Lallana's a handy player to have when he's up to speed and fit but unfortunately it always seems like a cycle of injury-getting up to speed -injury.

He'll be gone next Summer.

Boom_Bap

MD1990 wrote: »

would get destroyed in the PL playing in that role.

He has done nothing in nearly 3 years. Very lucky to still be at the club.

I'm not so sure about that. He was being man marked most of the game as well and still was able to work the ball up the pitch...if anything, i think the ball moving up the pitch was quicker last night with him and Hoever and Kelleher as well.


I would worry that he wouldn't be breaking up play very well, but sometimes that's not needed against some teams.


I obviously don't see him as a replacement for Fab or a long term solution, but it's an option.

steve_r

re Lallana I think injuries have taken their toll on him, and he doesn't offer much these days. He struggled at times last night against their midfield - that's a game he should be running the show in.

Similar with Ox - we keep talking about him needing minutes, that was he's 7th appearance of the season and he's had 334 mins (basically 3.5 full games), and he's still looking poor. He reminded me of how he played for Arsenal - not really tuned in to everyone else.

Worth noting that the style of play and tempo changed a lot last season to the season before where both of them were more involved, think they are struggling to adjust to that.

I was delighted with the kids last night, but it's telling we are all talking about them getting minutes - none of the established players or the normal subs for the first team have really made their case to break into the starting XI

Fitz*

Lallana could play there, at home against a team that just want's to shut up shop and hold on for a 0-0.

Let's just say hypothetically we are 0-0 at home to Burnley in the 70th minute, it might not be the worst option in the world to take off Matip, and bring Lovren on. Have VVD play on his own at CB with Fabinho performing a dual CB/6 role, with Lallana beside him trying to probe and make an opening.

I do think he'll be released come the end of his contract tho.

AndyBoBandy

steve_r wrote: »

Similar with Ox - we keep talking about him needing minutes, that was he's 7th appearance of the season and he's had 334 mins (basically 3.5 full games), and he's still looking poor. He reminded me of how he played for Arsenal - not really tuned in to everyone else.

It took him a lot longer than 3.5 games to get up to speed in his 1st season with us, and even then he wasn't coming off the back of 1 year out with a serious injury!!

I'd be waiting until at least the end of the season before passing judgment on him.

chicorytip

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rossie1977 wrote: »

chicorytip wrote: »

None of those will ever play in the Premiership. If Kelleher is good enough why was Adrian signed on a free transfer. Liverpool have rarely promoted those from the youth or reserve ranks to the first team. Apart from Alexander Arnold the current first choice eleven are expensive purchases. This is how the club has operated for decades now. Lads like Brewster and Jones will end up being sold to Championship or even lower level clubs.

Sterling, Fowler, Owen, Carragher, McManaman, Gerrard were all promoted from youth or reserve ranks over past 2.5 decades.

Not sure about current crop but the likes of Hoever, van den Berg, Elliott and Brewster have the potential to make an impact at Liverpool over next 5 years.

Yes, of course you will have the exceptionally good one's that make it but it's still a very small percentage in the overall context.

BullBlackNova

James Pearce wrote an interesting piece for the Athletic in the last week or two as to whether Chelsea was a better place to be a youngster than Liverpool at present. While it sounded a bit nonsense in the headline, he made some good points.

Granted, Chelsea's reliance on youth is only motivated by their transfer ban and the departure of some players but Lampard looks like he's doubling down on it - Tomori getting games over Zouma, for example.

The challenge, he argued, wasn't getting to make your debut for the first team but sticking it out from there.

Klopp has handed out 15 debuts to academy youngsters during his Anfield reign. Yet only Alexander-Arnold has managed to go beyond 20 first-team appearances. Getting there is one thing, staying there is another.

Now, as he pointed out, the club has refused to sell Grujic, Wilson, etc, believing they may have a future here, and there's no regrets over selling Jerome Sinclair, Brad Smith, Jordon Ibe, etc. There's also the fact that the club opted not to bring in back-up players in several positions as it would block the pathways of the next generation.

The question is whether the current crop of young players are better than the likes of Ibe, Solanke, etc and will make the grade here, or whether they will simply be a source of transfer funds.

Osmosis Jones

Lallana's fine as a holding mid as long as he literally never has to defend at all, the one moment he did have to challenge for the ball he got spun and we would have conceded if not for Kelleher's great save.

steve_r

On a positive note:

https://twitter.com/danielstorey85/status/1177163460720963586?s=20

.G.

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Instead of engaging with the trolls everybody should just reply to them with this.

Peatys

.G. wrote: »

Instead of engaging with the trolls everybody should just reply to them with this.

Or

54and56

Alonso77 wrote: »

Lallana's a handy player to have when he's up to speed and fit but unfortunately it always seems like a cycle of injury-getting up to speed -injury.

He'll be gone next Summer.

Bags this as my next Username

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

chicorytip wrote: »

9 Yes, of course you will have the exceptionally good one's that make it but it's still a very small percentage in the overall context.

I think the Youth Team set up and Reserves isn't exclusively about getting players into the first team. It's definitely the main priority, but not the only one.

There's the 'by-product' bonus of selling players like Danny Ward, Solanke and Ibe for 14, 18 and 19 million respectively as a good source of income for the club. Then selling someone like Danny Ings for 22 million is great financial business, although I know we brought him in as a 'finished' player and injuries stopped his chances.

Selling those four players (who are nowhere near the standard of our first 11) over the last couple of seasons is enough to pay for an Alisson.
Klopp and the Americans have been nothing short of brilliant in the transfer market for Liverpool.

brevity

I like this one

Fitz*

chicorytip wrote: »

9 Yes, of course you will have the exceptionally good one's that make it but it's still a very small percentage in the overall context.

Seeing as you talk about decades, here are a list of players that have played in the Liverpool academy, and were given opportunities to play in the PL in the last 10 years. They had an opportunity to make a name for themselves. Whether they make it or not is another question. Some have the talent but not the mindset.

Benitez:
Spearing
Ecclestone
Robinson
Pacheco
Ayala
Darby

Kenny:
Sterling
Spearing
Flanagan

Rodgers:
Coady
Wisdom
Kelly
Ibe
Rossiter
Ejaria
Sinclair

Klopp:
Ward
Chirivella
Ojo
Brannagan
Canos
Smith
Randall
TAA
Woodburn
Teixeira
Camacho

That's a fair big list, especially Klopp. It doesn't even include players who only played cup games. I know the list of players who have made it to the very top are low, but to be fair, most clubs probably have a similar turn around of players. There has been some excellent top level players come through the academy in recent years such as Sterling and TAA, with a number having strong PL level careers such as Coady, Kelly, Ibe, Ward, Harry Wilson etc.

You seem to want to put down the academy, which is weird given how well some of them played last night.