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Dutch "Burqa ban" comes into force from today

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    #122
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Talk about wanting your cake and eating it.


    There's more than one way to reach an intended outcome. While you may be fan of prohibition being used in this instance, I believe it's counter intuitive and only subjects the women in question to further control.

    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Someday, you might have to pull on your big boy pants, and take a stance on something for the greater good of the many, rather than your myopic view of the world where everyone is a bigot because they're not in agreement with you.

    I am taking a stance, against trying to control women. You're trying to change who controls them.


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    You disgraced yourself with your first response to me, let your proverbial kimono open to let everyone see you for what you are.


    Well if that's the case at least I only disgraced myself with one post, unlike yourself.


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    #123
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    MrFresh wrote: »
    There's more than one way to reach an intended outcome. While you may be fan of prohibition being used in this instance, I believe it's counter intuitive and only subjects the women in question to further control.

    I am taking a stance, against trying to control women. You're trying to change who controls them.
    MrFresh wrote: »
    I'm against a ban on it, not in favour of it being worn.

    While claiming "not to be in favour of it", here you are arguing with those who'd see it banned, based solely on some mental gymnastic feat worthy of a circus, dismissing advocates of a ban as an attempt to control women by controlling those who control them?

    Is that it? The substance of your argument?
    You really have nothing. I wont even ask why you're against the wearing of it.

    MrFresh wrote: »
    Well if that's the case at least I only disgraced myself with one post, unlike yourself.

    Jesus wept, the dialectics equivalent of "because your ma".


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    #124
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,867 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    At the risk of repeating myself, let's simplify this...

    This "dress code" comes from a culture wholly incompatible with Western European values and lifestyle. The ethos behind it is one that has no place in our cultures either.

    Worse again are the liberals who ironically are hastening the erosion of our values (and their own lifestyles) as they shout down anyone not bending over in the name of "tolerance". Don't believe me? Look at France, or Sweden, or parts of the UK where this is already happening.

    If you come to our homes, you adapt to our rules and way of life - not expect the locals to change for you.

    If you don't like that, there's plenty of places to go more in line with your expectations.

    If you don't like my attitude, tough! I've had enough of being told what is "acceptable" by those whose only objective seems to be to virtue signal among similar minded types for online kudos.

    For a variety of reasons, I can't see the EU surviving the next inevitable economic crash, but the migration policies of the last few years are hastening that split make no mistake.. But of course, here is good old subservient Ireland we'll no doubt cling on till the very end regardless of what it does at home.


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    #125
    hatrickpatrick
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    Anto Lynch wrote: »
    We are required to wear clothing in public or we'll be arrested. Same thing.

    Not everyone agrees with this. Personally I regard it as a fundamental violation of individual autonomy.


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    #126
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I must have missed the part that states the driver was from the middle east, can you link to it please?
    By the power of deduction.
    1 Malmo (more than half of the population is foreign background)
    2 The buss driver said the girl "shows too much skin"
    3 The Swedish papers always report ethnicity - if the perp is Swedish
    4 The driver's boss saying, "there are no religious concerns"... This would never have come up if the driver was Swedish.
    5 If this girl steps aboard your bus in shorts and small top fitting the 30c weather, would you seriously kick her off?

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    You know, if the driver is ethnic Swedish that would be first page news with name and pic of the guy, because then it would be sexist.


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    #127
    Dog Man Star
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 410 ✭✭Dog Man Star


    Most Irish birds should be forced to wear a burka, with their scouldy big white flabby heads.


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    #128
    lawlolawl
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    biko wrote: »
    5 If this girl steps aboard your bus in shorts and small top fitting the 30c weather, would you seriously kick her off?

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    I'd let her sit on my knees for the entire journey.


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    #129
    MrFresh
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    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    While claiming "not to be in favour of it", here you are arguing with those who'd see it banned, based solely on some mental gymnastic feat worthy of a circus, dismissing advocates of a ban as an attempt to control women by controlling those who control them?


    You do seem to having great difficulty seeing this as more than a binary issue. Like it or not, a ban on what clothing a woman can wear is the same thing as a requirement for them to wear something. That is why I am opposed to a ban on it. In addition, this is a measure that will only be effective in public places so women will have no protection in the place they need it most, their home. All you are doing is sweeping it under the rug. And you aren't doing it to protect women, you are doing it to protect your sensibilities because the sight of them offends you.


    As to the item of clothing itself, it is historically rooted in the oppression of women and is a sign of that oppression in modern times. But these are beliefs that are often shared by the women in question due to their religious upbringing. Telling them you are forcing them to do something against their beliefs for their own good is only going to breed animosity and resentment. The more effective approach would be education and supportive environment so they can come to their own decisions while feeling safe in doing so.

    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Is that it? The substance of your argument?
    You really have nothing. I wont even ask why you're against the wearing of it.


    I wouldn't expect you to. It'd burst the bubble.


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    #130
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Talk about wanting your cake and eating it.

    Someday, you might have to pull on your big boy pants, and take a stance on something for the greater good of the many, rather than your myopic view of the world where everyone is a bigot because they're not in agreement with you.

    You disgraced yourself with your first response to me, let your proverbial kimono open to let everyone see you for what you are.

    Im not really seeing ths problem here? One can not like it yet be happy for someone who wants to wear it to do so? I dont like heavy metal music yet I am in favor of people listening to it if they want


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    #131
    Stephen15
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    MrFresh wrote: »
    Would you be similarly upset if she was kicked off for wearing a head dress?

    You could be damn sure the driver would receive very different punishment if that was the case


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    #132
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,592 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    biko wrote: »
    By the power of deduction.
    1 Malmo (more than half of the population is foreign background)
    2 The buss driver said the girl "shows too much skin"
    3 The Swedish papers always report ethnicity - if the perp is Swedish
    4 The driver's boss saying, "there are no religious concerns"... This would never have come up if the driver was Swedish.
    5 If this girl steps aboard your bus in shorts and small top fitting the 30c weather, would you seriously kick her off?

    300@60.jpg

    You know, if the driver is ethnic Swedish that would be first page news with name and pic of the guy, because then it would be sexist.

    So thats a no?


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    #133
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Im not really seeing ths problem here? One can not like it yet be happy for someone who wants to wear it to do so? I dont like heavy metal music yet I am in favor of people listening to it if they want

    But are just women in certain parts of the world forced to listen to heavy metal, and punished/killed for not doing so, while their men folk can listen to what they like.
    Are women protesting against being forced to listen to light metal against their will, much less heavy metal?

    Shît analogy in fairness!


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    #134
    Jimmy McGill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 287 ✭✭Jimmy McGill


    Well done to Holland for standing up to the backwards cult that seems to be immune from criticism by the establishment.


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    #135
    Stephen15
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    Islam has no place in civilised Western societies


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    #136
    greencap
    Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


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    racist.

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    #137
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    So thats a no?
    If I remember you in a week when it's reported I'll come back and update.


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    #138
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,592 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    biko wrote: »
    If I remember you in a week when it's reported I'll come back and update.

    So that's still a no?


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    #139
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    But are just women in certain parts of the world forced to listen to heavy metal, and punished/killed for not doing so, while their men folk can listen to what they like.
    Are women protesting against being forced to listen to light metal against their will, much less heavy metal?

    Shît analogy in fairness!


    What about the women who want to wear it?


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    #140
    Rubberchikken
    Registered Users Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    we have at least one woman in our town who wears one. it seems oppressive to see her wearing it and the husband is strolling along in his shirt sleeves and the kids in summer clothes.
    religion hah!

    i admire the french willingness to bring in a ban. ireland and its government are without a backbone.


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    #141
    Jimmy McGill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 287 ✭✭Jimmy McGill


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    What about the women who want to wear it?

    Even the ones that say they want to wear it are lying. The reality is if they make a choice not to wear it they'll be branded a whore etc and will be shunned by friends and even family members. Thus being left out of the community and on their own essentially.

    Follow The Apostate Prophet on YouTube, he's an ex muslim and he gives a good insight into the bull**** the backwards desert cult spits out.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i8YluwJXB8k


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    #142
    greencap
    Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    What about the women who want to wear it?

    tough shyte.

    can't always get what you want. a billion alternatives available, pick one.

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    #143
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    greencap wrote: »
    tough shyte.

    can't always get what you want. a billion alternatives available, pick one.
    Jimmy McGill wrote: »
    Even the ones that say they want to wear it are lying. The reality is if they make a choice not to wear it they'll be branded a whore etc and will be shunned by friends and even family members. Thus being left out of the community and on their own essentially.

    Follow The Apostate Prophet on YouTube, he's an ex muslim and he gives a good insight into the bull**** the backwards desert cult spits out.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i8YluwJXB8k


    Just to be clear, I do not like burquas or any other religious head covering. The sight of the things disgusts me. Islam in general is a filthy, disgusting & stupid ideology. (Holy sh1t, discussion on Boards is becoming impossible)


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    #144
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    What about the women who want to wear it?

    Where it where its de rigeur or wear it at home


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    #145
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Jimmy McGill wrote: »
    Even the ones that say they want to wear it are lying.
    greencap wrote: »
    tough shyte.

    can't always get what you want.


    Remember lads, this is for their own good.


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    #146
    greencap
    Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Remember lads, this is for their own good.

    mmm, no, my good.

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    #147
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    greencap wrote: »
    mmm, no, my good.


    How would a ban benefit you?


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    #148
    greencap
    Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    MrFresh wrote: »
    How would a ban benefit you?

    face veils are only worn by the more extreme sects of Islam.
    and their philosophy is one of intolerance and conquest.

    aint room in this town.

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    #149
    robertpatterson
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    Dog Man Star wrote: »
    Most Irish birds should be forced to wear a burka, with their scouldy big white flabby heads.
    Your mother must be so proud


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    #150
    Woodsie1
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    greencap wrote: »
    face veils are only worn by the more extreme sects of Islam.
    and their philosophy is one of intolerance and conquest.

    aint room in this town.

    Surprised at Latvia and Estonia,wouldnt have thought there was too many Muslims in those parts.


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    #151
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    greencap wrote: »
    face veils are only worn by the more extreme sects of Islam.
    and their philosophy is one of intolerance and conquest.

    aint room in this town.


    OK, but how would it benefit you?


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