Sex and the City author "Truly alone"

Hobosan

How can people be so stupid as to state that the media and fictional characters don't influence people's decisions?

That Jesus character might be a bit of a giveaway if you're having doubts.

It's genuinely depressing that so many are incapable of recognising what for many are the most basic realities of life.

It's futile debating people like this. There are certain realities that must be acknowledged before meaningful dialogue can take place.

kikilarue2

Deleted User wrote: »

"Kikilarue": Self-appointed voice of the people. Sorry, people.

No, Kikilarue is the voice of kikilarue, and for some reason that really bothers you.

This is the second time in as many days that you’ve posted in a thread without responding to the OP or topic in any way just to attack me.

You’ve obviously taken a set against me and it’s sad. You have nothing to contribute but bile.

Reported and added to my ignore list, who could be arsed with you?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

suicide_circus wrote: »

Bushnell glamorised a kind of vacuous materialistic hedonism which ultimately leaves people unfulfilled, herself being a case in point. The character of Carrie Bradshaw, being semi-autobiographical, well if we ever wondered what happened to Carrie, now we know.

i'm not opposed to "wimmins choices" :rolleys:

i am however of the opinion that in the totally necessary and righteous act of slaying the daemons of the past and winning freedoms and liberties and choices that a certain amount of value has been lost. the baby has been thrown out with the proverbial. maybe SATC was a symbol rather than a driver.

Well, that probably depends on the person, doesn’t it?

Harvey Weinstein

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Women can have kids well into their 40s. There's this narrative that there's some massive drop in fertility or huge increase in birth defects after 35 (why that age, nobody seems to know) and it's all seriously overstated. The stats get misrepresented hugely. A great way to keep the ladies scared and compliant, I guess.

Any man I've known who had kids later in life has found the experience completely exhausting (and I just mean late 40's here), so I don't buy the idea they can wait around as long as they like.

There is a massive drop off in fertility after the age of 35, theres no point attempting to deny it, its the truth.
Its actually extremely damaging and I would even say immoral to try and convince Women otherwise. Its just biology, its nothing to do with men vs Women.

suicide_circus

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Well, that probably depends on the person, doesn’t it?

well yes but i thinks a reasonably safe rule of thumb

eviltwin

Thank god for the men of Boards to teach us about our fertility right girls? :rolleyes:

kikilarue2

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Women can have kids well into their 40s. There's this narrative that there's some massive drop in fertility or huge increase in birth defects after 35 (why that age, nobody seems to know) and it's all seriously overstated. The stats get misrepresented hugely. A great way to keep the ladies scared and compliant, I guess.

Any man I've known who had kids later in life has found the experience completely exhausting (and I just mean late 40's here), so I don't buy the idea they can wait around as long as they like.

There is a massive drop off in fertility after the age of 35, theres no point attempting to deny it, its the truth.
Its actually extremely damaging and I would even say immoral to try and convince Women otherwise. Its just biology, its nothing to do with men vs Women.

That information is outdated.

The drop in fertility is not as dramatic as once thought. However, the chances of a birth defect do rise dramatically after 40.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

There is a massive drop off in fertility after the age of 35, theres no point attempting to deny it, its the truth.
Its actually extremely damaging and I would even say immoral to try and convince Women otherwise. Its just biology, its nothing to do with men vs Women.

It has been exaggerated though. That is the reality. Two articles below with scientific studies referenced within. If you want to talk about the truth of the matter, you should get yourself up to speed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24128176
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/309374/

eviltwin

eviltwin wrote: »

Thank god for the men of Boards to teach us about our fertility right girls? :rolleyes:

i'm not sure they know about the risks found with paternal age

Harvey Weinstein

I used to watch it and enjoyed it a lot, much to the consternation of my friends.
It was very funny but I guess its probably a bit dated now.

It did however, promote and celebrate what can only be called wanton consumerism and materialism and it applied these to the girls approach to relationships..which is not a good thing. It also celebrated mindless promiscuity which ultimately can be damaging for people.
Obviously there are plenty of shows which promoted promiscuity in the male environment but the cold fact of the matter is in terms of fertility, Women have a shelf life and all that time going from relationship to relationship searching for something can often be time wasted. And pursuing a career to the detriment of everything else often leaves Women childless and alone and can often be something they bitterly regret.

Sardonicat

The only thing that SATC ever prompted me to do was change the channel, fast.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Autumn August wrote: »

Do you look for threads specifically to mock people?

New account no. 2, step right up!

Harvey Weinstein

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

It has been exaggerated though. That is the reality. Two articles below with scientific studies referenced within. If you want to talk about the truth of the matter, you should get yourself up to speed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24128176
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/309374/

I don't even know what to say to this, if you really believe this then fair enough.
To me its an unbelievable denial of reality but thats my opinion.

Without getting in to it I suggest you question the motives of those who tell you these kind of things. There is a massive push in the Western media to encourage Women to abandon the idea of having children and I would imagine the articles you linked have something to do with that.

kikilarue2

Some women don’t want kids.

Some women can’t.

Some women would very much like to have them but don’t meet the right person.

Womanhood and motherhood are intertwined but one doesn’t define the other.

No one’s writing any op eds about poor old childless Leo di Caprio.

bottlebrush

and people can end up alone anyway after their children have flown the nest

SEPT 23 1989

Women were sold a pup

Men knew you couldn’t have everything

We worked and missed many things with our children growing up

And it was always a regret

Why women wanted that made no sense to us

The only happy ones out of all this were the money men who rubbed their hands pricing things in for two incomes

kikilarue2

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Women were sold a pup

Men knew you couldn’t have everything

We worked and missed many things with our children growing up

And it was always a regret

Why women wanted that made no sense to us

The only happy ones out of all this were the money men who rubbed their hands pricing things in for two incomes

1937 called, it wants you back.

AtomicHorror

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

There is a massive drop off in fertility after the age of 35, theres no point attempting to deny it, its the truth.
Its actually extremely damaging and I would even say immoral to try and convince Women otherwise. Its just biology, its nothing to do with men vs Women.

Really? How massive? What numbers are you basing that on, specifically? Because what I've seen in the literature for women over 35 is really inconsistent, and suggests that confounding factors have been screwing with various of the studies historically.

The studies pre-1960's seem to get dragged out a lot to support the 35+ fertility cliff, but look at studies done in the last 20 years and it looks like fertility drops by about 3-5% between 35 and 40.

I don't call that "massive".

And as for "immoral"... you'd want to have your facts straight before you have the certainty to make that kind of claim.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

I don't even know what to say to this, if you really believe this then fair enough.
To me its an unbelievable denial of reality but thats my opinion.

Without getting in to it I suggest you question the motives of those who tell you these kind of things. There is a massive push in the Western media to encourage Women to abandon the idea of having children and I would imagine the articles you linked have something to do with that.

There are scientific journal articles cited in those articles. It kinda seems like you are the one with the beliefs. Did you even look at the links? I mean, if you didn’t, fine. But to judge the content, you need to read it.

“I would imagine” - okay, you didn’t look.

eviltwin

I don't know any woman who "wants it all" whatever that means

I manage to have a family and a full time job plus a social life and I'm going back to college next month. It can be done. Granted you have to be realistic about it and sacrifices have to be made but I can't think of any woman or man who isn't well aware of that.

Harvey Weinstein

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Really? How massive? What numbers are you basing that on, specifically? Because what I've seen in the literature for women over 35 is really inconsistent, and suggests that confounding factors have been screwing with various of the studies historically.

The studies pre-1960's seem to get dragged out a lot to support the 35+ fertility cliff, but look at studies done in the last 20 years and it looks like fertility drops by about 3-5% between 35 and 40.

I don't call that "massive".

And as for "immoral"... you'd want to have your facts straight before you have the certainty to make that kind of claim.

Ok fine, if thats what you want to believe then go for it.

kikilarue2

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Really? How massive? What numbers are you basing that on, specifically? Because what I've seen in the literature for women over 35 is really inconsistent, and suggests that confounding factors have been screwing with various of the studies historically.

The studies pre-1960's seem to get dragged out a lot to support the 35+ fertility cliff, but look at studies done in the last 20 years and it looks like fertility drops by about 3-5% between 35 and 40.

I don't call that "massive".

And as for "immoral"... you'd want to have your facts straight before you have the certainty to make that kind of claim.

Ok fine, if thats what you want to believe then go for it.

Given the choice between data from the 1800s and data from the last 50 years, I’ll choose the recent data every time.

AtomicHorror

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Women were sold a pup

Men knew you couldn’t have everything

We worked and missed many things with our children growing up

And it was always a regret

Why women wanted that made no sense to us

The only happy ones out of all this were the money men who rubbed their hands pricing things in for two incomes

Ah seriously. This reads like the central premise of almost any episode of Sex and the City. The whole point was that to have it all you'd need to be 4 completely different women.

The consequences and compromises needed for women to balance their lives were what drove the whole damn thing.

You and Harvey should probably watch the show instead of guessing what it's about. It's just embarrassing.

AtomicHorror

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

Ok fine, if thats what you want to believe then go for it.

That's a cop out.

You made a claim, back it up or drop it.

ToddyDoody

Here's one. Does anyone feel sorry for Enya, who never had kids or many relationships?

I've read the odd opinion piece voicing concern that she might regret not raising a family, but uit wasn't tabloid stuff.

Harvey Weinstein

AtomicHorror wrote: »

That's a cop out.

You made a claim, back it up or drop it.

Type in Fertility and age' into google and the vast vast majority of results confirm that fertility drops off around the mid 30's

If Women want to take that risk then fine, I'm not going to argue with you.

I'll say it again, I really think you should question the motives of those who tell you this.

lbc2019

Daily Mail pushes its 'traditional' agenda shocker

jackboy

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Really? How massive? What numbers are you basing that on, specifically? Because what I've seen in the literature for women over 35 is really inconsistent, and suggests that confounding factors have been screwing with various of the studies historically.

The studies pre-1960's seem to get dragged out a lot to support the 35+ fertility cliff, but look at studies done in the last 20 years and it looks like fertility drops by about 3-5% between 35 and 40.

I don't call that "massive".

And as for "immoral"... you'd want to have your facts straight before you have the certainty to make that kind of claim.

There is another extremely important factor. For woman with fertility issues, the later they start trying to have children the less time they have to succeed. Going through the options to deal with fertility issues can take years. Woman with baseline fertility issues will often reduce the odds of having children significantly each year they wait.

Of course lots of woman who wait will have no issues but there are added risks in waiting which women should be clearly informed about.

ToddyDoody

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Here's one. Does anyone feel sorry for Enya, who never had kids or many relationships?

I've read the odd opinion piece voicing concern that she might regret not raising a family, but uit wasn't tabloid stuff.

Is she not half elf or something?..can they even procreate at all?

Harvey Weinstein

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Ah seriously. This reads like the central premise of almost any episode of Sex and the City. The whole point was that to have it all you'd need to be 4 completely different women.

The consequences and compromises needed for women to balance their lives were what drove the whole damn thing.

You and Harvey should probably watch the show instead of guessing what it's about. It's just embarrassing.

I don't think you are reading my posts, I did watch the show and enjoyed it. I could probably quote it better than you could.
I'm not anti Women in any way, I have a lot of Women in my life, probably more than most men. What bothers me is that Women are being bullsh1tted in order to get them in into the workforce and away from childrearing and families. Telling them to have a career first and children later or not at all, which leaves many Women devastated. Which left many of the Women in my life devastated because they left it too late