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Mass shooting in el paso

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    #572
    skooterblue2
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    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    What makes America different to Switzerland then in your view, where these mass shooting don't happen on the regular?

    Loads of things. Population make up (monoculture). Media. healthcare, Diet, culture, religion, employment, history, climate, entertainment, exposure to conflict ........

    What makes Ireland different to South Africa ........... loads of stuff.


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    #573
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Loads of things. Population make up (monoculture). Media. healthcare, Diet, culture, religion, employment, history, climate, entertainment, exposure to conflict ........

    What makes Ireland different to South Africa ........... loads of stuff.

    It was a genuine question!


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    #574
    skooterblue2
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    tuxy wrote: »
    If people with licenced firearms in America carrying out mass shootings are not the problem then who should they be worried about?



    The gun polices of Dictators are not the issue, the issue is that they were dictators.

    You should be more worried about the numbers of incidents of single murders by licensed gun and more importantly why they couldnt get a license for a gun in the first place.

    Hitler was elected. Stalin rose to power after a revolution, much the same as Mao. All legitimate in my opinion, what they did after was a different story.


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    #575
    skooterblue2
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    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    It was a genuine question!

    You got a varied genuine answer. Too many variables to count. They are two different countries in two different parts of the world with two different cultures.


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    #576
    joe40
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    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    What makes America different to Switzerland then in your view, where these mass shooting don't happen on the regular?

    So if there are loads of guns in Switzerland, but they don't suffer from mass shootings in the same way as America, it must mean that America is inherently a more violent society.
    All the more reason to limit gun ownership there.


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    #577
    skooterblue2
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    joe40 wrote: »
    All the more reason to limit gun ownership there.

    Which part of society is more involved with gun violence? Give you a clue its not the legitimately registered NRA members who care for, and lock up their guns and declare they have guns. My friend in Vegas has a 1911, pump action shorty and AR-15. He does radiological medicine, works in a hospital, has to do regular drug tests and pay for his son education. He pays his range fees and for his ammo. This man isnt the problem.


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    #578
    tuxy
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Which part of society is more involved with gun violence? Give you a clue its not the legitimately registered NRA members who care for, and lock up their guns and declare they have guns. My friend in Vegas has a 1911, pump action shorty and AR-15. He does radiological medicine, works in a hospital, has to do regular drug tests and pay for his son education. He pays his range fees and for his ammo. This man isnt the problem.

    He sounds ok to me, I'm not sure about the registered gun owners that carry out these attacks though.


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    #579
    skooterblue2
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    joe40 wrote: »
    So if there are loads of guns in Switzerland, but they don't suffer from mass shootings in the same way as America, it must mean that America is inherently a more violent society.

    What do you think are the main differences between America and Switzerland are?


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    #580
    skooterblue2
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    tuxy wrote: »
    He sounds ok to me, I'm not sure about the registered gun owners that carry out these attacks though.

    Do you want to guess his ethnicity?


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    #581
    tuxy
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Do you want to guess his ethnicity?

    Only if it's relevant to this firearms licence application.


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    #582
    banie01
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    There is no responsible shooter shooting at that pace in real life, except in army (where they arent paying for their own ammo or replacing barrels) and dopes on youtube showing off to their friends. Not sure where you reading about guns?

    The only thing the shooters using the weapon in this manner is responsible for is death and maiming.

    This isn't a thread about responsible shooting is it?

    Am I supposed to critique a spree killers trigger discipline?
    Or actually point out what I believe to be a false equivalence in the post I was responding to?

    Luckily for the victims, those pesky spree killers exercise good trigger discipline, group their shots and rely on the good old double tap...

    Oh wait, they don't.
    They actually set out to put as much lead in the air as quickly as possible, my mistake.


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    #583
    joe40
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Which part of society is more involved with gun violence? Give you a clue its not the legitimately registered NRA members who care for, and lock up their guns and declare they have guns. My friend in Vegas has a 1911, pump action shorty and AR-15. He does radiological medicine, works in a hospital, has to do regular drug tests and pay for his son education. He pays his range fees and for his ammo. This man isnt the problem.
    If your friend from vegas was a decent human being he would forfeit his hobby for the greater good.
    Even if only one incidence of mass shooting was stopped it would be worth it.
    The selfishness of the gun lobby and gun owners are a problem. Glorifying a gun culture will always lead to incidents like this even if the majority of gun owners aren't a problem.


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    #584
    skooterblue2
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    tuxy wrote: »
    Only if it's relevant to this firearms licence application.

    Enough to say he doesnt have a criminal conviction.


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    #585
    batgoat
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Y'know who restricted gun ownership? Hitler, Mao, Stalin ..... guess what happened next?

    Gun control was stricter prior to the Nazis in Germany...
    https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2019/apr/08/viral-image/no-gun-control-regulation-nazi-germany-did-not-hel/


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    #586
    tuxy
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Enough to say he doesnt have a criminal conviction.

    Well you can be sure he has no felony conviction anyway.
    The same as the mass shooters we have been taking about.
    All legal firearms owners.


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    #587
    skooterblue2
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    joe40 wrote: »
    Glorifying a gun culture will always lead to incidents like this even if the majority of gun owners aren't a problem.

    And who is glorifying gun culture? In music videos? On television? having guns stuffed down the front of their pants(god bless their cotton socks)?


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    #588
    joe40
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    And who is glorifying gun culture? In music videos? On television? having guns stuffed down the front of their pants(god bless their cotton socks)?

    All part of the problem.


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    #589
    Guy:Incognito
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Loads of things. Population make up (monoculture). Media. healthcare, Diet, culture, religion, employment, history, climate, entertainment, exposure to conflict ........

    .

    Just to highlight this last part a bit. Serbia and Montenegro have about 1/3rd the ownership rates of America , why dont they have 1/3rd the mass shootings (per head)?

    They've seen a bit of conflict relatively recently.......


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    #590
    skooterblue2
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    tuxy wrote: »
    The same as the mass shooters we have been taking about.
    All legal firearms owners.

    Hmmm I have my suspicions about a few of the mass shooting. Some of them just seem to be too perfect. The school child with learning disabilities (got 1300 together to kit out an AR15?) and the accountant with 60, M-16 in Vegas?


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    #591
    banie01
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Hmmm I have my suspicions about a few of the mass shooting.

    Could you expand a little on this please?


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    #592
    joe40
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Hmmm I have my suspicions about a few of the mass shooting. Some of them just seem to be too perfect. The school child with learning disabilities (got 1300 together to kit out an AR15?) and the accountant with 60, M-16 in Vegas?

    Seriously, thats a real comment. You are suggesting the mass shootings are fake


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    #593
    tuxy
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Hmmm I have my suspicions about a few of the mass shooting. Some of them just seem to be too perfect. The school child with learning disabilities (got 1300 together to kit out an AR15?) and the accountant with 60, M-16 in Vegas?

    Sounds interesting can you elaborate? I've no idea what you are suspicious about.


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    #594
    skooterblue2
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    batgoat wrote: »
    Gun control was stricter prior to the Nazis in Germany...
    https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2019/apr/08/viral-image/no-gun-control-regulation-nazi-germany-did-not-hel/

    "By the time the Nazi Party came around in the early 1930s, a 1928 gun registration law had replaced the total ban and, instead, created a permit system to own and sell firearms and ammunition."

    You are talking about collecting guns from legitimate citizens, you mention nothing about illegally held guns.

    "Based on newly-discovered, secret documents from German archives, diaries and newspapers of the time, Gun Control in the Third Reich presents the definitive, yet hidden history of how the Nazi regime made use of gun control to disarm and repress its enemies and consolidate power. The countless books on the Third Reich and the Holocaust fail even to mention the laws restricting firearms ownership, which rendered political opponents and Jews defenseless. A skeptic could surmise that a better-armed populace might have made no difference, but the National Socialist regime certainly did not think so—it ruthlessly suppressed firearm ownership by disfavored groups. "

    Dont you think that if the Jews and the Mason had guns they would have used them earlier when they saw what was coming?
    https://www.independent.org/guncontrol/


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    #595
    tuxy
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    joe40 wrote: »
    Seriously, thats a real comment. You are suggesting the mass shootings are fake

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    #596
    lawlolawl
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    What do you think are the main differences between America and Switzerland are?


    Windmills.


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    #597
    skooterblue2
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    tuxy wrote: »
    Sounds interesting can you elaborate? I've no idea what you are suspicious about.

    I am suspicious about Nicholas Cruz. How a kid with a learning disability got a kitted out AR15 ($1300) and passed a NRA basic Elementary safety and firing course? No red flags were raised. How did a kid with learning disabilities get that amount of money and the Characters that appeared afterwards were suspicious too. One kid father was a FBI agent and his mother was in CNN wasnt even in the school that day.

    The second was the Vegas Shooting where the guy was a dodgy accountant and bought 60 M16s and then single handedly did the shooting where the audience were fenced in and the emergency escapes were blocked. The victims claimed there were three shooters at least.


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    #598
    skooterblue2
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    joe40 wrote: »
    Seriously, thats a real comment. You are suggesting the mass shootings are fake



    I never suggested that the bullets werent real or that real people didnt die. I am suggesting that they are too perfect. A bit like a sad sack like Lee harvey Oswald shooting Kennedy with a Carano. That sort of stuff doesnt happen.


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    #599
    tuxy
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    I am suspicious about Nicholas Cruz. How a kid with a learning disability got a kitted out AR15 ($1300) and passed a NRA basic Elementary safety and firing course? No red flags were raised. How did a kid with learning disabilities get that amount of money and the Characters that appeared afterwards were suspicious too. One kid father was a FBI agent and his mother was in CNN wasnt even in the school that day.

    His mother paid $50,000 to adopt him so why wouldn't she be unable to afford to buy him an AR-15 before her death?


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    skooterblue2
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Just to highlight this last part a bit. Serbia and Montenegro have about 1/3rd the ownership rates of America , why dont they have 1/3rd the mass shootings (per head)?

    They've seen a bit of conflict relatively recently.......

    I have no idea. But that is a very very different society.


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    #601
    skooterblue2
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    tuxy wrote: »
    His mother paid $50,000 to adopt him so why wouldn't she be unable to afford to buy him an AR-15 before her death?

    Nope doesnt ring right with me. Who sold him the gun? No gunshop is going to sell a gun to a suspicious person and then have the FBI come and revoke their lisence to sell guns the next day. Women dont buy their children guns. I couldnt see how he got an NRA certificate for competency. It doesnt look right to me on alot of fronts.

    The money you pay to adopt a child is not the same as the money you use to buy a fire arm. There are two completely different intents there.


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