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BattleCorp

notobtuse wrote: »

I’ve shown the sick nature and hypocrisy of the Left. The movie should never have been made in the first place.

I haven't even thought about the left or the right. I don't give a sh1te about that sort of stuff. Both extremes are pretty much the same in my mind.

My point is about violence in movies. Many action films have people hunting people. Hundreds actually.

If you are going to ban movies with violence, your choice of movies will be fairly limited.

And when the violence is gone, what is next on the list to be banned?

banie01

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Switzerland is a monoculture?

With 4 official languages, rabid religious differences and varying laws amongst the cantons and a federal government structure.

But it's not really comparable to any other place or country cos it's definitely a monoculture

Don't look here at a country that seems to have struck a reasonable balance between ownership and control.

The same poster has claimed the Swiss banned Mosques!
They didn't, they voted not to allow Minarets hardly the same thing.

Gatling

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Which part? One was 60 and the other was in his late teens.

Having ADHD and coming to the attention of the police very sweeping generalisation there,

Outside of Communist states America is one of the few western nations where people are spoon fed paronia from birth ,hence the need to guns to protect themselves against the government ,the Blackman ,the Mexicans the gangbangers ,the Russians,


all coming to take their guns and freedom

skooterblue2

banie01 wrote: »

With 4 official languages, rabid religious differences and varying laws amongst the cantons and a federal government structure.

But it's not really comparable to any other place or country cos it's definitely a monoculture

Don't look here at a country that seems to have struck a reasonable balance between ownership and control.

The same poster has claimed the Swiss banned Mosques!
They didn't, they voted not to allow Minarets hardly the same thing.

That is an awful lot closer to Swiss being christian, white and European(Celtic,Roman, Germanic) that America being European, Asian, African and Hispanic mix. America has much more diverse and assertive religious groups.

skooterblue2

Gatling wrote: »

Having ADHD and coming to the attention of the police very sweeping generalisation there,

That is strange because of of the 22 criteria from the diagnosis of ASD under the old ICD10/DSM-IV (not sure about DSM V) is they ask if you have come to the attention of the authorities (cautioned, picked up, arrested prosecuted). You will find many career criminal with IQs of 80 also have ADHD.

skooterblue2

banie01 wrote: »

The same poster has claimed the Swiss banned Mosques!
They didn't, they voted not to allow Minarets hardly the same thing.

Either way they dont seem to be keen on them else the place would be like Gaza

banie01

skooterblue2 wrote: »

That is an awful lot closer to Swiss being christian, white and European(Celtic,Roman, Germanic) that America being European, Asian, African and Hispanic mix. America has much more diverse and assertive religious groups.

Your assertion that Switzerland is a monoculture is wrong.
Don't back pedal and claim otherwise due to assertive religious groupings.
Zwinglii, Calvin and others who are amongst the founders of assertive Christianity did the bulk of their best work in Switzerland.
As is your claim they banned Mosques.

Your generalisation regarding those with ADD and ADHD is wrong too, and IMO if it was made about a race or gender would result in a card.

banie01

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Either way they dont seem to be keen on them else the place would be like Gaza

@425000 Muslims and a @150 mosques.
You are spinning a line of propaganda that the actual facts don't support.

banie01

skooterblue2 wrote: »

That is strange because of of the 22 criteria from the diagnosis of ASD under the old ICD10/DSM-IV (not sure about DSM V) is they ask if you have come to the attention of the authorities (cautioned, picked up, arrested prosecuted). You will find many career criminal with IQs of 80 also have ADHD.

Which also equates to...
Stupid people fail.
The less intelligent plan poorly and are caught while the more intelligent are successful and escape detection longer.

Gatling

skooterblue2 wrote: »

That is strange because of of the 22 criteria

As I said a sweeping generalisation.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

skooterblue2 wrote: »

That is an awful lot closer to Swiss being christian, white and European(Celtic,Roman, Germanic) that America being European, Asian, African and Hispanic mix. America has much more diverse and assertive religious groups.

The term “white” there is doing a lot of work. As is Christian. Neither white nor Christian are mono cultures and Europe has the bloody historical battlefields to prove it. I don’t really have an explanation as to why Switzerland is successful with controlling guns while the US isn’t but being a mono culture isn’t the reason

skooterblue2

banie01 wrote: »

Your generalisation regarding those with ADD and ADHD is wrong too, and IMO if it was made about a race or gender would result in a card.

No it is not, because I was asked it at my diagnosis and was later told by one of the top psychologists in that area, that many of the low IQ prisoners have undiagnosed Autism in his "professional" opinion being as he is only one of 4 or 6 psychologist recommended in his area.

How are you going to "thought police" me? For being biased against Autistic people?

skooterblue2

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

I don’t really have an explanation as to why Switzerland is successful with controlling guns while the US isn’t but being a mono culture isn’t the reason

Did you ever hear of a guy called Jordan Petersen? He is this great professor ,see and he does all these Ted Talks and interviews and people are very divided on his opinions...... I could go on...........

banie01

skooterblue2 wrote: »

No it is not, because I was asked it at my diagnosis and was later told by one of the top psychologists in that area, that many of the low IQ prisoners have undiagnosed Autism in his "professional" opinion being as he is only one of 4 or 6 psychologist recommended in his area.

How are you going to "thought police" me? For being biased against Autistic people?

You know I was going to add how I thought you'd respond to the end of my post but didn't because I thought better of mentioning your diagnosis.

But as you have raised it, you are a sample size of one.

I am male,my Gonads do not entitle me to make sweeping statements as to how males should act.

Also if we are to take that the disorders are in actuality a spectrum...

By default, generalisation doesn't work when applied to a spectrum.

skooterblue2

banie01 wrote: »

Which also equates to...
Stupid people fail.
The less intelligent plan poorly and are caught while the more intelligent are successful and escape detection longer.

hmmm now there is a general sweeping statement. Malcom McArthur was very intelligent, he was caught. I would say that Steve jobs had some sort of Autism and Paris Hilton who has ADHD is far from stupid is probably a highly intelligent sociopath. The issue isnt really intelligence as in IQ its an in social intelligence that they fail at.

Gatling

skooterblue2 wrote: »

told by one of the top psychologists in that area, that many of the low IQ prisoners have undiagnosed Autism in his "professional" opinion

And it's even more likely they never met a prisoner or observed a prisoner to make that claim.

banie01

skooterblue2 wrote: »

hmmm now there is a general sweeping statement. Malcom McArthur was very intelligent, he was caught. I would say that Steve jobs had some sort of Autism and Paris Hilton who has ADHD is far from stupid is probably a highly intelligent sociopath. The issue isnt really intelligence as in IQ its an in social intelligence that they fail at.

It's a paraphrasing of your own statement regarding criminals.
I didn't bring social intelligence or EQ into it, you made a specific statement regarding the criminality of ADHD and Low IQ.

Are Malcolm or Steve low IQ?
Because unless they are, I fail to see how they are relevant to your point regarding Low IQ criminals, or the relationship of ADHD to criminality?

Is your point that ADHD are more likely to be criminal?
Unless they are high functioning in which case they are socially awkward but successful?

Or could it be more along the lines of people afflicted fall on a spectrum and as such tend to fill many boxes?
That some Low IQ folk who are convicted criminals, is true.
Bit it is also true that many other people on the spectrum are not criminals, nor afflicted with low IQ?

martingriff

Overheal wrote: »

That musket talking point is dated as hell, and frankly not valid.
Good luck changing 2A

Your right I shouldn't have said it like that. Now I am not a ban all guns person because quiet frankly that would be nuts. Controls licences register the guns but and here is the sticking point there need to be a minimum federal law and some state politicians may hate that.

Different guns would need a different licence and maybe some you have to show a reason for wanting x type of gun. I think there is more will in the people for this then in the parties and the courts due to big business for anything meaningful to happen

skooterblue2

banie01 wrote: »

You know I was going to add how I thought you'd respond to the end of my post but didn't because I thought better of mentioning your diagnosis.

But as you have raised it, you are a sample size of one.

I am male,my Gonads do not entitle me to make sweeping statements as to how males should act.

Also if we are to take that the disorders are in actuality a spectrum...

By default, generalisation doesn't work when applied to a spectrum.

Yes but I have had 2 years of psychotherapy and two years of experience as working as a psychologists assistant (incredible experience). That gives me a lot of experience of working with autistic individuals. But in order to get a diagnosis you need to get certain minimum amount of criteria to achieve a diagnosis from a specific amount of conditions.

I was watching Judge Judy this morning on the Oxford Union. "I cant define Porn but I know what it is when I see it". I think I have enough experience to talk about Autism. I am not one of those guys who sits at home, I get out and do stuff (in all fairness I am on Holidays now).

martingriff

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Would you honestly like to depending on the Police anywhere? I certainly wouldnt. There is a lot more to soldiering than just guns. obviously if the army turns up with spotter plane, Lazer designator and a truck load of 81mm mortars in support then it is game over. There are certain terrains that where technology doesnt give you an advantage and equipment fails. But for local defence the Militia can be a wonderful asset.

So you be up for people allowed to bear arms in Ireland and form militia.

martingriff

skooterblue2 wrote: »

they cannot take away your gun but they can screw with your ammo imports and supply and charge you a dollar a round with tax.

I think that was tried in some states and a thing the courts voted it out

martingriff

tuxy wrote: »

Do countries with high level of legally held firearms have higher rates of gun violence?
Or is it the other way around inherently violent cultures also have high levels of legally owned guns.

Isn't Canada pretty low on gun violence or is that mass shootings and you can bear weapons there

skooterblue2

Gatling wrote: »

And it's even more likely they never met a prisoner or observed a prisoner to make that claim.

.
Take it up with the Registered Psychologist. I am sure it wasnt earned easily for him to make that statement

martingriff

Overheal wrote: »

They held the building for a month and one guy did a suicide by cop. Fun had by all. Stark contrast to how pipeline protesters were treated at the time. This was 2015 I think, so not exactly “recent”

Was that not down more to the FBI did not want to raid and cause loss of life due to explosives might be around. Might be thinking of another and people were defecting all the time

skooterblue2

martingriff wrote: »

Your right I shouldn't have said it like that. Now I am not a ban all guns person because quiet frankly that would be nuts. Controls licences register the guns but and here is the sticking point there need to be a minimum federal law and some state politicians may hate that.

Different guns would need a different licence and maybe some you have to show a reason for wanting x type of gun. I think there is more will in the people for this then in the parties and the courts due to big business for anything meaningful to happen

Once again it not the vast majority of the licensed holders you have to worry about ..... its the ones that illegally held that are causing most of the problems. Tackle them first.

martingriff

markodaly wrote: »

You are new to this debate it seems.
The SCOTUS has rules what arms are permitted and it includes modern-day guns, like handguns and rifles.

I know what SCOTUS has said by there interpretation in a few years in may change. That's the thing with the US constitution being so old it is vague in todays terms (and in its day also) that anyone can say it means this

skooterblue2

martingriff wrote: »

So you be up for people allowed to bear arms in Ireland and form militia.

Different country, different laws, different cultures. But when they were needed the RDF/LDF/FCA/SM all performed well to aid the civil power or in times of emergency when they were called up. I would rather live in a society with no guns at all but thanks to the criminal fraternity and paramilitaries and criminals disguised as paramilitaries and an ineffective justice system, we unfortunately have a short fall.

martingriff

BattleCorp wrote: »

Is there a will in the States to get rid of the 2nd Amendment? I very much doubt it.

I can't see many gun owners wanting to get rid of it. And I personally know three Americans who don't own guns that wouldn't want to get rid of it.

If there's a threat to ban certain guns, the American public rush out and buy loads of those guns. Following Sandy Hook, I think pretty much every gunshop was cleaned out by people fearful that they wouldn't be able to buy AR15s or other types of guns. Even supplies of ammo ran out.

Any attempt to change the 2nd Amendment would lead to the best gun sales drive in history.

Don't you mean is there a will in the parties and the supreme court. Also I never said get rid I said amend. There is no way in hell it will be got rid off most people on the guns are bad side know this which is why licences for different guns, training, restriction due to certain reasons and registers are been suggested

martingriff

notobtuse wrote: »

I’ve shown the sick nature and hypocrisy of the Left. The movie should never have been made in the first place.

A lot of sick movies should not be made is just not by the Left. Also since you know so much about the movies does it glorify killing or is it made to make people think

Edit never mind just saw other post on the plot of the movie and looked it up. YEP nothing like what you said

banie01

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Once again it not the vast majority of the licensed holders you have to worry about ..... its the ones that illegally held that are causing most of the problems. Tackle them first.

You have said the bolded a few times now and you have yet to validate the claim.

I did ask you earlier, but it was likely missed given how busy this thread is.

banie01 wrote: »

Even disregarding Spree shootings do you have any numbers to back up that assertion?

The number of people killed by illegally held firearms versus those killed by legally held?

Even those spree shooters with arguably "illegally obtained" weapons?
Weapons that they bought via illegal channels, rather than took from home?