Prosecution for neglecting a goldfish

hgfj

I honestly don't know whether to find this amusing or shocking.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/first-ever-prosecution-planned-over-guinea-pig-goldfish-neglect-1.3978815


Mad to think you could get 5 years for not looking after a guinea pig or a goldfish properly.

Timberrrrrrrr

hgfj wrote: »

I honestly don't know whether to find this amusing or shocking.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/first-ever-prosecution-planned-over-guinea-pig-goldfish-neglect-1.3978815


Mad to think you could get 5 years for not looking after a guinea pig or a goldfish properly.

Proper order, animal cruelty is not just for cute ponies/dogs/cats etc.

Atoms for Peace

About time people start doing time for cruelty. For a rural country that is so dependent on agriculture we have an appalling record when it comes to animal welfare.

whiskeyman

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

About time people start doing time for cruelty. For a rural country that is so dependent on agriculture we have an appalling record when it comes to animal welfare.

Our record on human welfare isn't great either...

aaqil jettson

“The goldfish is doing well; he is staying with me. It took him a day or two to settle down, but thankfully he survived the transition. It must have been a breath of fresh air for him to have clean accommodation and food,” said Ms O’Donovan.

dan1895

She actually said "a breath of fresh air" in relation to a fish.

Signore Fancy Pants

So many fcuking d1ckheads out there.

hgfj

How much time should someone do for a goldfish?
A goldfish that didn't die and which more than likely has forgotten all about it five minutes after it was rescued.

Timberrrrrrrr

hgfj wrote: »

How much time should someone do for a goldfish?
A goldfish that didn't die and which more than likely has forgotten all about it five minutes after it was rescued.

So its only cruelty if the animal dies?

hgfj

No, but it's just a goldfish.

Do you reckon someone should do jail time for a goldfish?

Timberrrrrrrr

hgfj wrote: »

No, but it's just a goldfish.

Do you reckon someone should do jail time for a goldfish?

Yes i think they should.

By your logic i can burn a baby with a cigarette, sure he's only 2 weeks old he will soon forget it.

Do you think people who neglect cattle, dogs, horses, cats etc should be jailed for neglecting them?

hgfj

By your logic you equate a goldfish with a baby.

And I'm not talking about cats, dogs, horses, etc.

I'm talking about a goldfish.

Timberrrrrrrr

hgfj wrote: »

By your logic you equate a goldfish with a baby.

Nope, just pointing out why your argument is flawed. You see the neglect of a goldfish as minor and not worthy of jail time whereas i believe all animal neglect should be prosecuted.

branie2

Bizarre, if you ask me

The chan chan man

So if i catch a fish, crack its head with a hammer and slice its belly open with a rusty hunting knife, that’s ok. But if I let Mister Puddlesworth’s water go a little green, I’m facing 5 years hard time?

beertons

I'd love a bit of sushi now.

hgfj

So how long would you send someone to prison for a goldfish, (that didn't even die). 5 years? 3 years?

Poor Uncle Tom

The chan chan man wrote: »

So if i catch a fish, crack its head with a hammer and slice its belly open with a rusty hunting knife, that’s ok. But if I let Mister Puddlesworth’s water go a little green, I’m facing 5 years hard time?

Dramatic much?

My knife is never rusty...........

greencap

OK look there is something bizarre about this if you believe in a food-chain.

5 years is a bit mental for a goldfish, but if nothing else maybe such a headline and a debate will be a good thing and raise awareness, cause there are fcked up people out there that need to learn the difference between sentient beings and inanimate objects.

theres a mentality out there that equates pets and animals to things, a puppy or a horse is the same as a bike or a playstation to some people. a consumerist ignorance that cares only about the availability and novelty.

maybe some sliver of awareness will be brought to them through the likes of this that living things feel.

hgfj

Doing prison time for a goldfish is ridiculous.

anewme

Op, you are not telling the truth about this story. Why would that be? Change your title to the real facts maybe?

What were actually found abandoned and starving were four guinea pigs alive, one dead guinea pig and one goldfish.

Do you think guinea pigs live on fresh air?

Only a cruel useless knut would wilfully allow animals starve to death.

Shame on you for trying to get a cheap laugh and make excuses for animals suffering.

bertsmom

hgfj wrote:

Do you reckon someone should do jail time for a goldfish?

Yes! Cruelty is cruelty. Horrible despicable human that thinks its of no consequence to treat any creature cruelly.
Mankinds arrogance and cruelty will be its own downfall.

Ecce No Homo

Glad to see things are changing. Fine the pricks a few thousand euro and give them a week inside.

hgfj

Shame on you for making me out to be a knut because I reckon doing prison time for not looking after a goldfish is OTT. I'm a lifelong animal lover though i'm not vegetarian. I'm currently feeding 4 feral cats because I pity them. Yes, people who are cruel to animals are pricks and are probably cruel to humans as well. To the best of my knowledge I have never been cruel to an animal. I never said it was of no consequence to treat any creature cruelly. I made a flippant remark regarding a goldfishes memory. And yes, I do believe people should do jail time for animal cruelty, IF THE NATURE OF THE CRUELTY WARRANTS IT. One dead guinea pig and a traumatised goldfish do not warrant jail time. It is OTT.

anewme

Sure its great that you registered just to tell us about this topic.

Pity you could not have told the truth in your first thread.

hgfj

anewme wrote: »

Sure its great that you registered just to tell us about this topic.

Pity you could not have told the truth in your first thread.

This was my first post -


"I honestly don't know whether to find this amusing or shocking.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/envi...lect-1.3978815


Mad to think you could get 5 years for not looking after a guinea pig or a goldfish properly. "


What did I say in that post that was a lie?

Airyfairy12

I can never understand why people get pets if theyre not willing to look after them. It good to see the courts making an example out of them, animal cruelty is stupidly common in Ireland and its about time they started cracking down on it.

Omackeral

People who hurt defenseless creatures are warped cowardly scrotes. Serial killers often start out by hurting animals.

Ecce No Homo

Omackeral wrote: »

People who hurt defenseless creatures are warped cowardly scrotes. Serial killers often start out by hurting animals.

User name checks out.

LadySkunk

hgfj wrote: »

Shame on you for making me out to be a knut because I reckon doing prison time for not looking after a goldfish is OTT. I'm a lifelong animal lover though i'm not vegetarian. I'm currently feeding 4 feral cats because I pity them. Yes, people who are cruel to animals are pricks and are probably cruel to humans as well. To the best of my knowledge I have never been cruel to an animal. I never said it was of no consequence to treat any creature cruelly. I made a flippant remark regarding a goldfishes memory. And yes, I do believe people should do jail time for animal cruelty, IF THE NATURE OF THE CRUELTY WARRANTS IT. One dead guinea pig and a traumatised goldfish do not warrant jail time. It is OTT.

You say that you’re a lifelong animal lover yet see no crime in a guinea pig dying needlessly. Where do you draw the line so? I’m sure if it was a kitten or puppy you’d be breaking out your violin.

At the end of the day those animals where the responsibility of the scumbag owner who left them all there to die. If you think somebody like that who has no value for life regardless of how small should be walking the streets then I’m sorry but you need a serious look at yourself in the mirror.

BeerWolf

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Proper order, animal cruelty is not just for cute ponies/dogs/cats etc.

****, better start feeding them spiders around my house. I hid the bodies of a few dead ones, the Gaidai have nothing on me!

Brb, one of them is staring at me with hungry eyes...

ILoveYourVibes

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Proper order, animal cruelty is not just for cute ponies/dogs/cats etc.

Don't be daft. Five yrs?

Ban from owning animals or something for life. Fine him.

Prison no.

That is too authoritarian and brutal. Its sociopathic and lacking mercy or empathy.

Its also severely lacking in perspective and wisdom.

ILoveYourVibes

This is only going to make people pull hard the other extreme way in response. Its silly if you actually care about human rights tbh because the idea of sending people to prison for killing fish seems something they would do in a weird totalitarian regime.

Its silly if you care about animal rights because it will get people's backs up and think all animal rights are extreme.

Can we not find a middle road?

Atoms for Peace

I have no problem with people killing animals if necessary and done humanly, I eat meat after all. But letting them starve to death is just sick.

Pawwed Rig

Lads noone is going to get 5 years for neglecting a fish.

anewme

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

This is only going to make people pull hard the other extreme way in response. Its silly if you actually care about human rights tbh because the idea of sending people to prison for killing fish seems something they would do in a weird totalitarian regime.

Its silly if you care about animal rights because it will get people's backs up and think all animal rights are extreme.

Can we not find a middle road?

You forgot they deliberately starved the guinea pigs too. No food or water. One died.

Thats pure neglect causing suffering. Totally unnecessary.

The OP left out the bit in the title where the guinea pigs were starved and dehydrared. Just why exactky do think this was? Because starving an animal ito death is neglect causing suffering.

Theres no middle road here. Nor shoukd there be.

MrFresh

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Lads noone is going to get 5 years for neglecting a fish.

Yeah, it's annoying that people know so little about how the legal system works despite it always being discussed. The max term is rarely imposed for any crime. A crime of this nature obviously has little precedent and will depends on the judge but I doubt it will go beyond a few hundred quid an animal.

ILoveYourVibes

anewme wrote: »

You forgot they deliberately starved the guinea pigs too. No food or water. One died.

Thats pure neglect causing suffering. Totally unnecessary.

The OP left out the bit in the title where the guinea pigs were starved and dehydrared. Just why exactky do think this was? Because starving an animal ito death is neglect causing suffering.

Theres no middle road here. Nor shoukd there be.

I know about that.
So?

You can't put everyone in prison for that. We don't have the space for one.

It sets terrible precedents. I know a five yr old who boiled a fish alive because she is quicker than her parents and didn't understand fish can die in water if its too hot. Would you prosecute her parents for neglecting to supervise her?

Ban him for life from owning pets. Give him a fine.

Don't be ridiculous. It's ludicrous. I mean who would cell him with the sex offenders or the drug dealers?

What you think we have lots of space in prison?

We can barely get convicted rapists in.

atticu

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Nope, just pointing out why your argument is flawed. You see the neglect of a goldfish as minor and not worthy of jail time whereas i believe all animal neglect should be prosecuted.

Do you kill flies or ants?

anewme

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Lads noone is going to get 5 years for neglecting a fish.

No, it just sounds more dramatic for the OP agenda.

But they will hopefully get a big fine for allowing guinea pigs starve to death. Hit the fooker in the pocket. Big "donation" to an animal rescue as someone else said.

No pets should be starved to death deliberately. Not sure why people think its ok or are minimising it.

ILoveYourVibes

atticu wrote: »

Do you kill flies or ants?

Oh now you can stop that too. That is the other silly side of the argument.

Ants and guinea pigs are not even in the same universe.

He is a horrible person. I don't blame people being upset. I totally understand it i feel just as they do.

Nevertheless prison sentencing its just not living in reality.

Necro

anewme wrote: »

You forgot they deliberately starved the guinea pigs too. No food or water. One died.

Thats pure neglect causing suffering. Totally unnecessary.

The OP left out the bit in the title where the guinea pigs were starved and dehydrared. Just why exactky do think this was? Because starving an animal ito death is neglect causing suffering.

Theres no middle road here. Nor shoukd there be.

You say forget, I say selectively ignored

Animal cruelty is animal cruelty, what difference does it make in the type of animal being subjected to this type of behaviour?

The person obviously went out and bought all these animals and in doing so is tasked with caring for them.

They didn't and one guinea pig died and four others nearly starved to death. Good on them making an example out of the owner.

ILoveYourVibes

anewme wrote: »

Not sure why people think its ok or are minimising it.

Putting it in proper perspective. Not minimizing it.

You would swear it was a child.

You say forget, I say selectively ignored

Fully acknowledged. It makes no difference.

He will get a fine. The ISPCA will get a huge donation. He will be banned from owning animals hopefully.

One guinea pig was found already dead in the flat, while four others appeared malnourished and “absolutely terrified”.

Guinea pigs always appear absolutely terrified.

ILoveYourVibes

Totally over the top.

dudara

Moved from AH > CA

ILoveYourVibes

LadySkunk wrote: »

I’m sure if it was a kitten or puppy you’d be breaking out your violin.

Violin bows are made from Horse hair.

There is a halting site near me with neglected horses. Malnourished, beaten, hooves not taken care of, the works. Reported several times but nothing happens.

Ecce No Homo

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Nevertheless prison sentencing its just not living in reality.

Prison sentencing is not a reality so why do you keep going on about it in such a melodramatic way? What are you, the guy's solicitor?

Personally I think a week in prison and a few thousands euro fine would do no harm but it's not going to happen. Animal cruelty and neglect should be punished.

Mech1

I feed the wild birds in my garden,

I worry if im getting low on seed etc,
when I have to go away even for a few days I give my neighbour a bag of seed to throw over the fence.

No excuses for abandoning a pet.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

There is a halting site near me with neglected horses. Malnourished, beaten, hooves not taken care of, the works. Reported several times but nothing happens.

Yup. I did that.

'We are aware of the situation'.

Reported it to the guards and various animal welfare places.

Still there.

People riding horses that are visibly lame let alone invisibly lame. Head collars that are never taken off. Misuse of hobbling. Improper homemade tack.

The tethering of foals. Lack of basic grooming hooves etc. No respect for horsemanship or horses.

Not saying all travelers at all. And of course same with settled people. We just don't see it so openly.

Most welfare places will do hay drops rather than take them in. It does save the horses but it means the owners now have zero incentive to do anything.

Also there needs to be a public service announcement. Please stop turning your horses out in halters of any kind for more than a few hrs but particularly ROPE HALTERS. You leave a rope halter on for more than a day or so it WILL cut into the skin. Also if you don't know how to TIE a rope halter correctly it will just tighten and tighten. And even IF You tie a rope halter correctly it will get tighter and tighter if left on too long. Please don't suffocate your horse. They can only breathe through their noses and there is very little bone in their nasal passage it collapses easily.

And if you don't have a fenced in area with enough grazing space you can't have a horse simple. Rent a field somewhere.

Also geld your horses people. Very few make good stallions anyway.

Its not just starving horses. Lots of people just leave horses out to graze and do nothing with them until they are obese. The horse has barely been handled at all.

Horses being backed too early most horses shouldn't be back until 3 ish. Also improper training. They end up cripples.

And it is the settled horse world too.

Its lack of knowledge and lack of respect more than anything.