China Harvests Organs from living people by force #BOYCOTTCHINA

ILoveYourVibes

Here is a documentary.

Be careful don't watch if you are sensitive or vulnerable. Please don't.

This is fascism.

ILoveYourVibes

Please know that whatever happens in Hong Kong. The people protesting are ever so brave and ever so moral. And they are totally RIGHT to be outraged.

IAMAMORON

Is there any truth to the MI6 rumours? Pub talk I know, but it seems rational given the substantial British Financial interests in Hong Kong.

jammiedodgers

So the Chinese aren't a great bunch of lads?

ILoveYourVibes

jammiedodgers wrote: »

So the Chinese aren't a great bunch of lads?

The Chinese people are wonderful. But they are total prisoners who risk THIS kind of death if they stand against their govt.

The govt is not wonderful.

Like all countries.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Please know that whatever happens in Hong Kong. The people protesting are ever so brave and ever so moral. And they are totally RIGHT to be outraged.

So as part of your boycott do you use a phone that was not made in China or a PC or laptop ?

Do you find it difficult to source goods not made in China ?

Can you give us an example of what was the most difficult item, you use daily or weekly, to source that was not made in China ?

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

So as part of your boycott do you use a phone that was not made in China or a PC or laptop ?

Do you find it difficult to source goods not made in China ?

Can you give us an example of what was the most difficult item, you use daily or weekly, to source that was not made in China ?

I am just starting. But I will make it happen.

No new bought items from china.

Reviews and Books Galore

I don't know, I Love Your Vibes, I imagine a defector from China would say anything and due to the 'Oriental Curtain' there's no real way to disprove or prove.



I just find it suspiscious that there's so many controversies coming out about China when China is expanding it's global reach.

Auguste Comte

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I don't know, I Love Your Vibes, I imagine a defector from China would say anything and due to the 'Oriental Curtain' there's no real way to disprove or prove.



I just find it suspiscious that there's so many controversies coming out about China when China is expanding it's global reach.

Not to mention the economic war being waged by the USA against China, and we all know that the first casualty of war is truth.

Gatling

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Sounds like FaLongGong propaganda to me which was a cult start in the 1990s btw. Their news papers are always spreading fake news about how bad China is, A lot of the pictures are staged. They even have a stage show that is on tour saying it is ancient Chinese dancing but then they show you a story about their religion and the communist party as the bad guys. China are not good but I would be very wary about believing anything coming from such a biased source or any news outlet that supports them.

By the sounds of it you literally quoted Chinese government propaganda towards the movement

Chris_Heilong

Gatling wrote: »

By the sounds of it you literally quoted Chinese government propaganda towards the movement

Not at all, It is the truth. Most new religions are cults anyway.

endacl

Be cool if you'd boycott China, OP.

That'd be your laptop, phone, tablet etc. Would tidy up this site no end...

ILoveYourVibes

endacl wrote: »

Be cool if you'd boycott China, OP.

That'd be your laptop, phone, tablet etc. Would tidy up this site no end...

I laughed at that.


But what do people think they should do about this?

What do you think of it?

Will you just forget about it and go on?

People are not as cute as greyhounds.

Deagol

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I laughed at that.


But what do people think they should do about this?

What do you think of it?

Will you just forget about it and go on?

People are not as cute as greyhounds.

It's an internal Chinese matter really? If people of China are that pissed about it they need to rise up and overthrow the government. That's how it works. You don't like the government of your country you get rid of them.

It's not the rest of the worlds issue to be continually overthrowing or sorting out individual countries with despots. They can only rule with a reasonably high number of people supporting them. I'm sure the Chinese army could overthrow the government? Why aren't the regular soldiers appalled by this?

Beta Ray Bill

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I laughed at that.


But what do people think they should do about this?

What do you think of it?

Will you just forget about it and go on?

People are not as cute as greyhounds.

A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic. - A quote that takes a deep look at our attitude toward human mortality

The reality is that most people are to far removed from the situation to justify doing without their [Insert thing made in China here].

People care, but not enough to do anything about it.
Another way of reading it from a statistical point of view would be:
"A bunch of people who deliberately broke one of the strictest laws in China were put to death and had their organs donated to people that needed them"

Strange thing is there has been suggestions on this site that we put murders, pedophiles and rapists to death here and give their organs to people that need them.

Gatling

If I read correctly China now has 400 crimes listed as having the death penalty ,
Surely the idea of using criminals organs for harvesting isn't the way to go ,
The government in China has so much unchecked power they could round up tens of thousands of people for organ harvesting under the guise of fighting crime.

I wouldn't be surprised if HK protesters are being lined up for voluntray donations

ILoveYourVibes

Gatling wrote: »

If I read correctly China now has 400 crimes listed as having the death penalty ,
Surely the idea of using criminals organs for harvesting isn't the way to go ,
The government in China has so much unchecked power they could round up tens of thousands of people for organ harvesting under the guise of fighting crime.

I wouldn't be surprised if HK protesters are being lined up for voluntray donations

Sadly you could be right.

ger vallely

I totally get what you're saying OP. I fully believe it is happening too. My only question is- the scale of it. Thousands of organs? I can't imagine that many being sold and bought on the black market? Are they being used outside of China or just within the country?

I watched a documentary a fortnight ago about the Uighur. Not unlike the Palestinian people they are basically being held prisoner in Xianjing, but the surveillance in there is so intense and complete. They are being wiped out, re education, their culture being extinguished. I would not be in the slightest bit surprised if their body parts were being treated as a commodity.

As for people in China being careful of what they and their friends/family write and post- absolutely. No jolly freedom of speech there.

Doc07

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I don't know, I Love Your Vibes, I imagine a defector from China would say anything and due to the 'Oriental Curtain' there's no real way to disprove or prove.



I just find it suspiscious that there's so many controversies coming out about China when China is expanding it's global reach.

Sceptiscim is always important but in this case this is not new. I have been reading this since at least 2005. Academics have been asking for retraction if any papers published relating to transplant research from China such is the disgust among medical community about this. Unfortunately there is also a deafining silence from international societies and health depts. it’s daunting to take on superpower after all.

Non-white, non-European victims rarely feature in sustained mainstream news here anyway.

Sheridan81

I also read about this about fifteen years ago in a newspaper. It doesn't surprise me.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

But what do people think they should do about this?

Well I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm done with Chinese takeaways. That'll show 'em.

ILoveYourVibes

Sheridan81 wrote: »

I also read about this about fifteen years ago in a newspaper. It doesn't surprise me.

Its an ongoing thing. It would not surprise me if they use different groups as opportunity comes.

ILoveYourVibes

ger vallely wrote: »

I watched a documentary a fortnight ago about the Uighur. Not unlike the Palestinian people they are basically being held prisoner in Xianjing, but the surveillance in there is so intense and complete. They are being wiped out, re education, their culture being extinguished. I would not be in the slightest bit surprised if their body parts were being treated as a commodity.

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Palestinians are not being held prisoners in buildings. They can actually get papers to go into Israel even.

Spon Farmer

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic. - A quote that takes a deep look at our attitude toward human mortality.

I was watching Star Trek at the weekend and Spock said something similar to McCoy.

biko

Chine is really the factory of the world. They are way too powerful to be swayed by any boycott.

Auguste Comte wrote: »

Not to mention the economic war being waged by the USA against China, and we all know that the first casualty of war is truth.

Organ scandals coming out of China for years, it's way older than you think. Before any trade wars.

From 2001

Doctor Says He Took Transplant Organs From Executed Chinese Prisoners between 1989 and 1995.

A former Chinese Army doctor told a United States Congressional committee this week that he had helped harvest organs from executed prisoners and had even removed skin from a man who had not yet died -- testimony China branded as lies today

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/29/world/doctor-says-he-took-transplant-organs-from-executed-chinese-prisoners.html

Dr. Wang could not be reached for this article. He now works at a restaurant in New Jersey.

Probably not how he pictured his life would go...

ILoveYourVibes

biko wrote: »

Chine is really the factory of the world. They are way too powerful to be swayed by any boycott.


Organ scandals coming out of China for years, it's way older than you think. Before any trade wars.

From 2001
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/29/world/doctor-says-he-took-transplant-organs-from-executed-chinese-prisoners.html

Probably not how he pictured his life would go...

The west only boycotts people when the sacrifice is meaningless.

biko

KungPao

The ****ers cook dogs alive. **** hole country.

Hector Savage

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I want people to know.

I am personally going to stop buying things made in china.

Good luck with that - I mean it, post back if you can find decent electronics not made in China..

Spon Farmer

KungPao wrote: »

The ****ers cook dogs alive. **** hole country.

Are making a joke or being serious?

TheValeyard

Spon Farmer wrote: »

Are making a joke or being serious?

Nah, he's right, they do at some festivals. Sometimes our very own greyhounds are sent there to be boiled alive