Officers apologise for leading black man on a rope.

JJayoo

Why are some people so obsessed with race? Fcuk him, he was arrested and they were bringing him to the station. Criminal =criminal shouldn't matter what colour a person is.

Overheal

JJayoo wrote: »

Why are some people so obsessed with race? Fcuk him, he was arrested and they were bringing him to the station. Criminal =criminal shouldn't matter what colour a person is.

Because suspects still have the presumption of innocence and are entitled to a reasonable level of dignity. This wasn’t it, and Galveston acknowledged that, indicating their officers misused a crowd control policy and immediately revoked the offending policy.

Nothing has been reported that I can see about how far this little parade traveled, for how long, or exactly why a car was ‘unavailable’ which is the farthest explanation that has been supplied about the matter.

Faugheen

Same old faces seeing no issues with this.

They're not racists, though.

sk8erboii

Its inappropriate regardless of skin color. The police chief has reprimanded the officers and publicly apologized, stating that they should have in fact waited for a squad car like any other police officer would. No mental gymnastics needed.

His crime? Being homeless.

s7ryf3925pivug

When interviewed at the station the man expressed outrage at his treatment, saying he was at the end of his tether.

Woodsie1

Silas Fat Hoagie wrote: »

When interviewed at the station the man expressed outrage at his treatment, saying he was at the end of his tether.

:pac::pac::pac:youre a bad bad man:pac::pac::pac::pac:

Woodsie1

Faugheen wrote: »

Same old faces seeing no issues with this.

They're not racists, though.

Expose the racists,old horse.

Stupid coppers only followed old outdated procedures,apologised, lets all move on from it!

Woodsie1

Silas Fat Hoagie wrote: »

I thought that was what we did here. Make silly irreverent quips about news stories. Too much OMGery. [Obviously the connotations are very much there and it was insensitive and lacked insight.]

Ah ****, Im not sure where we are anymore...thought it was After Hours!

Tikki Wang Wang

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The man has a history of mental illness. He is homeless. He was simply trespassing.

They should have waited.

Every things these days seems to be excused on the basis of a history of mental illness

saintsaltynuts

They got their job done in my eyes.He broke the law so f*ck him.End of of story.Black man or not.

sk8erboii

saintsaltynuts wrote: »

They got their job done in my eyes.He broke the law so f*ck him.End of of story.Black man or not.

LOL yeah buddy i too wish the gards start leashing up homeless people in town and drag em down O’Connell street wild west style. That’ll teach em up to be poor

Omackeral

riffmongous wrote: »

Jesus but this forum is truly ****ed if people can't see the problem here. Ignore the colour of his skin? Ffs

As in, treat him the same as any other race. Treating people differently to other people because of their skin colour is......

I do agree that the optics are terrible but calling for different treatment based on skin pigment is the height of irony.

sk8erboii

Omackeral wrote: »

As in, treat him the same as any other race. Treating people differently to other people because of their skin colour is......

I do agree that the optics are terrible but calling for different treatment based on skin pigment is the height of irony.

Haha yeah did slavery even happen?

Imagine if people just forgot about what happened 100 years ago. Would we even want a united ireland?

Omackeral

sk8erboii wrote: »

Haha yeah did slavery even happen?

Imagine if people just forgot about what happened 100 years ago. Would we even want a united ireland?

Great rhetoric.

My point is you shouldnt treat suspected criminals differently based on skin colour. I agree the optics are terrible, I've said as much. But when you start changing policy depending on the race of the perp, it's theoretically racist in itself.

I think the whole tethering thing shows a massive lack of dignity for any human being for what it's worth.

The Enbalmer

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Texas policemen are not exactly the best and brightest are they?

Apply to join them and see how you get on.

The Enbalmer

Here's a genuinely racist video..where was the outrage from boards?

Faugheen

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Here's a genuinely racist video..where was the outrage from boards?

'BUT WHATABOUT THIS??'

I wasn't aware of that video, which is horrendous for a variety of reasons, but it doesn't take away from what happened in relation to this thread.

Start a thread on the above video instead hijacking this one with whataboutery.

The Enbalmer

Faugheen wrote: »

'BUT WHATABOUT THIS??'

I wasn't aware of that video, which is horrendous for a variety of reasons, but it doesn't take away from what happened in relation to this thread.

Start a thread on the above video instead hijacking this one with whataboutery.

It very much does...this thread is a whole lot of nothing about nothing and tends to show that the perpetually outraged are cherry picking their causes to be outraged about.

Boom_Bap

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Here's a genuinely racist video..where was the outrage from boards?

There was a huge thread in After Hours about this when it happened years ago.

The Enbalmer

Boom_Bap wrote: »

There was a huge thread in After Hours about this when it happened years ago.

No doubt excusing the perpetrators and blaming the victim.

Boom_Bap

The Enbalmer wrote: »

No doubt excusing the perpetrators and blaming the victim.

Not at all.

sk8erboii

The Enbalmer wrote: »

It very much does...this thread is a whole lot of nothing about nothing and tends to show that the perpetually outraged are cherry picking their causes to be outraged about.

‘Its not about race! - Also here’s a vid of a racial attack from years ago.’


???

bloodless_coup

When I saw the picture I thought it was hilarious. Not sure what the outrage is all about.

sk8erboii

doylefe wrote: »

When I saw the picture I thought it was hilarious. Not sure what the outrage is all about.

Its almost like theres historical context unique to the southern states that make tying up blacks suspect....

SCOOP 64

would have looked better if the policemen got down of his horse and held it by the reins and hold the assailant by the arm.

sk8erboii

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

would have looked better if the policemen got down of his horse and held it by the reins and hold the assailant by the arm.

‘Assailant’

Overheal

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Expose the racists,old horse.

Stupid coppers only followed old outdated procedures,apologised, lets all move on from it!

In fact they didn’t even correctly follow that procedure.

padd b1975

riffmongous wrote: »

Jesus but this forum is truly ****ed if people can't see the problem here. Ignore the colour of his skin? Ffs

I thought not seeing race was the way to go.

Make up your minds folks!

mcmoustache

Faugheen wrote: »

'BUT WHATABOUT THIS??'

I wasn't aware of that video, which is horrendous for a variety of reasons, but it doesn't take away from what happened in relation to this thread.

Start a thread on the above video instead hijacking this one with whataboutery.

There already is a thread for that video. The person who posted about the lack of outrage is clearly ignorant of that because the question implies that there was no thread about it.

I think that what happened here is that the user wanted it to be true that there was no thread about it and decided to jump in with this question that was going to blow the lid off the whole liberal conspiracy to convince the world that blacks can't be racist or some such nonsense.

This question was going to show everyone. I mean really show'em.

Unfortunately, working off low information, the poster ended up looking less like Erin Brokavitch and more like some drunk who píssed his pants getting up on stage at a wedding to complain about chemtrails.

You don't need a PhD in African-American history, or even an awareness of the general political disposition in Texas, to acknowledge that the optics of this are not good. At all. The policemen might have been the most decent people in the world, and they were following protocol, but it defies belief that they didn't appreciate the dangers of perception, and the exponentially increasing number of opportunistic, thanks-whoring guttersnipes posting anonymously online.

Saying 'ignore his colour' is trite and disingenuous. I would have hoped that even the most doltish, historically illiterate person knows that historical context matters very, very much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvwlPKCfkIM

MrFresh

Overheal wrote: »

In fact they didn’t even correctly follow that procedure.

Often, what's considered correct procedure in the US would not be allowed in many other countries anyway.

Feisar

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

TBH the prisoner would have been a lot more secure if he had been followed by a police officer on the ground rather than having a rope slid through his handcuffs for the policeman to hold while on horseback.

I see the perceived significance. It looks like two good ol' boys leading a slave. Mounted officers in that town have probably being doing using this technique of prisoner escort for years across all creeds and colours. No issue until a photo like that gets splattered all over the place. It looks bad because he is black.

To those that say no human should be treated like that; like what, he is cuffed and being led at a walk. Not very dignified however he's a criminal. Them's the breaks.

Should have waited for a car? Who knows what call those officers had to go to after that? maybe just the kebab shop, maybe something urgent.

But damn the photo looks bad! They are going to have to look at how things are perceived, pander to certain demographics and set rules/guidelines/procedures around them.

James Brown

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Who actually cares?

There's a reasonable explanation for it so why are you getting your knickers in a twist?

If you're going to chime in at least know what you're chiming in on.
It was put forward that people are only pretending to be outraged because he's black. I asked if they were outraged at the same thing happening to a white man would it be legit? And, why?
In an effort to dismiss it you're explaining something nobody asked.

Galwayguy35

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Dial down the leftie hysteria a notch, he was a criminal being brought to justice.

JJayoo wrote: »

Criminal =criminal shouldn't matter what colour a person is.

Feisar wrote: »

Not very dignified however he's a criminal.

Spleerbun wrote: »

Why should they have to waste unnecessary time and resources on transporting a criminal

Does anybody have evidence that he is a criminal? I was under the impression that people aren't automatically classified as a 'criminal' by virtue of only being arrested. If he were white, would he be a... suspected criminal?

It seems from The New York Times report here that not only was he homeless but he has a long history of mental illness, including schizophrenia.

Relatives of a black man who was led by rope down a street in Galveston, Tex., by two white police officers said Tuesday that the man has suffered from bipolar disorder and schizophrenia most of his life and regularly sleeps on the streets — struggles they said officers should have known about based on his criminal history.

The man, Donald Neely, 43, was arrested Saturday on a charge of criminal trespassing in a commercial neighborhood. The police said he had been warned several times before not to trespass in the area. When a police car was not immediately available, he was escorted by mounted police officers about four blocks to a nearby staging area, the Galveston Police Department said in a statement.... Mr. Neely had been living mostly on the streets of Galveston for about five years and because of mental illness, had repeatedly resisted attempts by family members to bring him home, she said. Just three weeks ago, she said, Mr. Neely jumped out of a moving car driven by his brother who was trying to return Mr. Neely to his family. Court records show that Mr. Neely had been arrested six times already in 2019 on misdemeanor criminal trespassing charges, part of what Ms. Neely said was a long history of interactions with the police. Court records show dozens of arrests for mostly low-level crimes dating back to the mid-1990s.

In recent years, Ms. Neely said, her brother had stopped taking his medication, and his mental state was deteriorating.

“They don’t care to know the whole story,” she said. “You're a criminal in their eyes. You’ll always be a criminal. Ain’t no redemption for you. You’re trash. And that’s how they treated him.”

Many residents of Galveston forcefully questioned the officers’ conduct at a community meeting on Tuesday organized by Vernon L. Hale III, Galveston’s police chief, and broadcast by local television stations. The Police Department has identified the two officers seen in the photograph only as P. Brosch and A. Smith. The officers could not be reached for comment.

Feisar

Deleted User wrote: »

Does anybody have evidence that he is a criminal? I was under the impression that people aren't automatically classified as a 'criminal' by virtue of only being arrested. If he were white, would he be a... suspected criminal?

It seems from The New York Times report here that not only was he homeless but he has a long history of mental illness, including schizophrenia.

So... he's a criminal then?

The Enbalmer

Deleted User wrote: »

You don't need a PhD in African-American history

Is that a thing now?


Probably left out the bit about the slave trade being started by Africans.

The Enbalmer

sk8erboii wrote: »

Its almost like theres historical context unique to the southern states that make tying up blacks suspect....

You'd think people would be over it by now..it'd be a bit like Irish people bringing up the famine every 5 minutes..we don't because we at least have the sense to move on from an unpleasant aspect of our history.


Why is it different when american blacks are concerned?

James Brown

The Enbalmer wrote: »

You'd think people would be over it by now..it'd be a bit like Irish people bringing up the famine every 5 minutes..we don't because we at least have the sense to move on from an unpleasant aspect of our history.


Why is it different when american blacks are concerned?

Because there is still prejudice, they still get treated like dirt and shot and choked to death by law enforcement and there are some ignorant enough to say 'get over it'.

If you don't see issue with this that's fine but don't insult folk by pretending you can't see why others might.

martingriff

Feisar wrote: »

I see the perceived significance. It looks like two good ol' boys leading a slave. Mounted officers in that town have probably being doing using this technique of prisoner escort for years across all creeds and colours. No issue until a photo like that gets splattered all over the place. It looks bad because he is black.

To those that say no human should be treated like that; like what, he is cuffed and being led at a walk. Not very dignified however he's a criminal. Them's the breaks.

Should have waited for a car? Who knows what call those officers had to go to after that? maybe just the kebab shop, maybe something urgent.

But damn the photo looks bad! They are going to have to look at how things are perceived, pander to certain demographics and set rules/guidelines/procedures around them.

Lets say they arrest you on suspicion and as procedure they do this and you go through the streets and people see you. So you would have no issue as its procedure. And then when you are proven innocent you still have no issue. I think not. This is wrong be it any color.

mcmoustache

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Is that a thing now?


Probably left out the bit about the slave trade being started by Africans.

Is this like that other nonsense that you pulled out of your ass earlier or are you able to back up this assertion?

The Enbalmer

mcmoustache wrote:

Is this like that other nonsense that you pulled out of your ass earlier or are you able to back up this assertion?

Care to answer the question?

Feisar

martingriff wrote: »

Lets say they arrest you on suspicion and as procedure they do this and you go through the streets and people see you. So you would have no issue as its procedure. And then when you are proven innocent you still have no issue. I think not. This is wrong be it any color.

Being a bit of a Fascist I didn't see it like that, thank you.

odyssey06

Any particular reason why the cops are still using horses? Didnt seem to be horse only terrain or a riot.

Maybe when they are looking at the arrest protocols they should revisit that...

Danzy

Artificial outrage from the usual priest class of activists.

Danzy

mcmoustache wrote: »

Is this like that other nonsense that you pulled out of your ass earlier or are you able to back up this assertion?

In fairness it is hardly a contentious claim.

The largest Slave markets in the world 6 centuries prior to Columbus were in West Africa and it remains the one of the worst spots for slavery today.

Overheal

odyssey06 wrote: »

Any particular reason why the cops are still using horses? Didnt seem to be horse only terrain or a riot.

Maybe when they are looking at the arrest protocols they should revisit that...

In dense urban areas it’s easier than patrol cars

greencap

well theres technically correct, this is a legit procedure.

and then theres sort of common sense correct, which they seem not to have followed ... maybe through unawareness, or possibly through a more willful nefarious motivation.

either way probably not the best outcome, I'm not one for the old 'training course' response, but yeah maybe in this case its time for the token 'racial sensitivity training course'.

Its probably 'technically' in the procedures somewhere under additional training.

So whats 'technically legitimate procedure' for the goose can be 'technically legitimate procedure' for the gander.

the apology ... I don't think if it went to court you could get them to apologize, I think a judge would rule they didn't have to.

But, if they genuinely weren't out to be pricks then they should offer up an apology for proof that their motives were not sinister. get in front of the camera, explain, say 'look we were just doing our regular job, but heres an apology if you want'. a peace offering.

martingriff

Danzy wrote: »

Artificial outrage from the usual priest class of activists.

So you see nothing wrong with it you be happy to be arrested like that and lead through the streets

martingriff

Feisar wrote: »

Being a bit of a Fascist I didn't see it like that, thank you.

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Outlaw Pete

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

This place is overrun with these far righters.

'Far righters'? On the CA forum? I haven't seen any.

riffmongous wrote: »

Ignore the colour of his skin? Ffs

YES, ignore his skin colour!

You think there is something profound about noticing that if you squint really hard, the visuals look like something you'd see during slave times? Well, there isn't, we get it. White guys on horses. Black man under their control. So what though? Notice it, move on. It wasn't a racist act.

White people getting offended on black folks behalf is tiring at this stage. Agree largely with what this ex cop has to say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz3uwSaryHY