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Nora Quoirin. [Read mod note in post #1 - updated 14/08]

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    #422
    FrancieBrady
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    chicorytip wrote: »
    I posted earlier about the possibility of her being attacked and taken by a wild animal had she strayed into the jungle. I am surprised this has not been mentioned in the investigation to date. Malaysia has a wide variety of wildcats and large apes generally so I presume this particular region is populated by at least some of those and they would be capable of attacking and killing a human and secreting a body.

    But not without leaving traces. Highly unlikely nothing has been found to suggest this.


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    #423
    Hector Savage
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    How long has she been gone now ? 8 days ?
    looks bad ..


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    #424
    Spon Farmer
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    There have been experts and experienced locals involved in the search. If there was evidence of an animal attack then they would find it.

    And the police would not put put forward the theory of an animal attack unless they had to.

    Is an animal attack even likely? It is a complex of tourist cottages - surely precautions have been taken to prevent wild animals roaming in and out.

    I read this morning that police have finger prints from the window and I think they have not matched them to anybody at the resort.

    Someone mentioned last night that Scotland Yard are assisting - do they have a few detectives there or is just someone to support the family?


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    #425
    micosoft
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    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Drivetime? I heard that. He said they don't operate in the way that a professional European force would. And that the police are refusing to open an abduction investigation because there is no evidence of an abduction, which seems more than a little odd.

    If nothing else, and looking at today's developments, I think it would be fair to characterise the police investigation as a bit slack. Which must just be adding enormously to the family's turmoil.

    Bascially because those funny foreigners don't run their investigations exactly how the Gardai or you would like it run they must be incompetent yes? Not just the UK tabloid press that has such a view of foreigners.


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    #426
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
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    Spon Farmer wrote: »
    There have been experts and experienced locals involved in the search. If there was evidence of an animal attack then they would find it.

    And the police would not put put forward the theory of an animal attack unless they had to.

    Is an animal attack even likely? It is a complex of tourist cottages - surely precautions have been taken to prevent wild animals roaming in and out.

    I read this morning that police have finger prints from the window and I think they have not matched them to anybody at the resort.

    Someone mentioned last night that Scotland Yard are assisting - do they have a few detectives there or is just someone to support the family?


    Wild boar live in the jungle but there's nothing that's been released so far to indicate that an animal attack is even being considered.

    Not a typical complex though, it's a remote nature retreat of about 5-6 houses on top of a steep hill at the edge of the jungle.


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    cj maxx
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    Hector Savage wrote: »
    How long has she been gone now ? 8 days ?
    looks bad ..

    I'm just waiting for the horrible news to be confirmed ,I'm afraid.


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    #428
    odyssey06
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    Did I read that bloodhounds lost the scent 100 metres from the complex?

    If it had been an accident or animal there would be a trail or scent unless a river or ravine nearby. Looks like human agency involved.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #429
    bogwalrus
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    This is pure speculation now but If this was an abduction I wonder did they know she had special needs. I mean if she had been observed for any length of time by the abductor they would have seen some signs and decided would be a difficult target to manage.

    Maybe though this could be a sign that whomever abducted the girl did not pick up on these signs and is from a different cultural background.

    I know if I went to Malaysia I would find it difficult to spot a special needs local. So maybe this points to a local native?


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    #430
    odyssey06
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    bogwalrus wrote: »
    This is pure speculation now but If this was an abduction I wonder did they know she had special needs. I mean if she had been observed for any length of time by the abductor they would have seen some signs and decided would be a difficult target to manage.
    Maybe though this could be a sign that whomever abducted the girl did not pick up on these signs and is from a different cultural background.
    I know if I went to Malaysia I would find it difficult to spot a special needs local. So maybe this points to a local native?

    The family only arrived on the saturday and she was gone sunday morning. Not much time for observation I would have thought?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #431
    bogwalrus
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    odyssey06 wrote: »
    The family only arrived on the saturday and she was gone sunday morning. Not much time for observation I would have thought?


    Yeah good point.


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    Strazdas
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    bogwalrus wrote: »
    This is pure speculation now but If this was an abduction I wonder did they know she had special needs. I mean if she had been observed for any length of time by the abductor they would have seen some signs and decided would be a difficult target to manage.

    Maybe though this could be a sign that whomever abducted the girl did not pick up on these signs and is from a different cultural background.

    I know if I went to Malaysia I would find it difficult to spot a special needs local. So maybe this points to a local native?

    An abductor breaking into a property to kidnap a person who is sleeping in the bedroom seems very hard to believe. It's not the way most abductions happen (usually someone snatched off the street by a person with a vehicle).


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    bogwalrus
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    Then again If they were booked in the girl could have been expected.


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    #434
    N365
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    bogwalrus wrote: »
    Then again If they were booked in the girl could have been expected.

    And what do you believe happened then? A member of staff went up to her room and kidnapped her? Really?


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    Spon Farmer
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    Ireland, the UK and France have police officers there giving assistance.

    I'm hoping it is more than just support for the family. Can they have their own investigation or can they only work with the local police?


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    Strazdas
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    Spon Farmer wrote: »
    Ireland, the UK and France have police officers there giving assistance.

    I'm hoping it is more than just support for the family. Can they have their own investigation or can they only work with the local police?

    I would imagine they're all working together and pooling information and ideas.


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    bogwalrus
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    N365 wrote: »
    And what do you believe happened then? A member of staff went up to her room and kidnapped her? Really?

    Is it too hard to believe that a member of staff could be involved? They would of had plenty if time to plan if they had knowledge of the booking in advance. I personally find it hard to believe the girl wandered very far from the accommodation and has yet to be found.


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    #438
    Spon Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Strazdas wrote: »
    I would imagine they're all working together and pooling information and ideas.

    Do we and the UK and France have detectives who are trained or specialise in going abroad for situations like this?

    Is there any reports that the visiting cops are not happy with the local police's progress?


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    tigger123
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    Spon Farmer wrote: »
    Ireland, the UK and France have police officers there giving assistance.

    I'm hoping it is more than just support for the family. Can they have their own investigation or can they only work with the local police?

    Any police officer has zero authority outside of their own jurisdiction or country. Its an appointment that applies within your State only.


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    ldy4mxonucwsq6
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    Spon Farmer wrote: »
    Do we and the UK and France have detectives who are trained or specialise in going abroad for situations like this?

    Is there any reports that the visiting cops are not happy with the local police's progress?

    It wouldn't be unusual for specialist Gardai to be sent abroad. It's just that we only hear about it when the cases that are reported in the media, but it definitely happens from time to time.

    I don't think it's any reflection on local police, who by all accounts are along with search and rescue volunteers putting in huge efforts to find her.


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    #441
    N365
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    bogwalrus wrote: »
    Is it too hard to believe that a member of staff could be involved? They would of had plenty if time to plan if they had knowledge of the booking in advance. I personally find it hard to believe the girl wandered very far from the accommodation and has yet to be found.

    I find it impossible to believe a member of staff entered and abducted her without disturbing the other children and her parents. I do agree with you that she couldn’t have wandered far from the accommodation. Very puzzling.


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    #442
    Spon Farmer
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    Nola Panicky Marinade wrote: »
    It wouldn't be unusual for specialist Gardai to be sent abroad. It's just that we only hear about it when the cases that are reported in the media, but it definitely happens from time to time.

    I don't think it's any reflection on local police, who by all accounts are along with search and rescue volunteers seem to be putting in huge efforts to find her.

    No you misunderstand. Or I've phrased it badly.

    I know that when something criminal happens to a person on their holiday that their country can send police to assist in various ways. And that this itself does not mean the locals are doing a poor job.

    What I meant is do we and France/UK have cops who are trained to deal with foreign police when sent aboard. I imagine that even an experienced detective could be seriously out of his/her dept if plucked from Garda HQ/the Met, etc and plonked in foreign city dealing with their way of doing things.

    And I was asking is there any media outlet reporting that the visiting detectives have any complaints because some people are suggesting the locals are botching it but if the foreign cops are not voicing concern then clearly the locals are doing what needs to be done.


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    #443
    Spon Farmer
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    N365 wrote: »
    I find it impossible to believe a member of staff entered and abducted her without disturbing the other children and her parents. I do agree with you that she couldn’t have wandered far from the accommodation. Very puzzling.

    It is not beyond the realms of possibility that someone snuck in and the family was just exhausted and heard nothing.

    If Nora leave the cottage without being heard then some could enter without being heard.

    I've read several different reports - at first I thought it was bedroom window that was up but apparently it a ground floor window and the kids were upstairs. I also read that the other children said Nora went out the window but I cannot find that article now so maybe I'm just confused.


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    Strazdas
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    Spon Farmer wrote: »
    No you misunderstand. Or I've phrased it badly.

    I know that when something criminal happens to a person on their holiday that their country can send police to assist in various ways. And that this itself does not mean the locals are doing a poor job.

    What I meant is do we and France/UK have cops who are trained to deal with foreign police when sent aboard. I imagine that even an experienced detective could be seriously out of his/her dept if plucked from Garda HQ/the Met, etc and plonked in foreign city dealing with their way of doing things.

    And I was asking is there any media outlet reporting that the visiting detectives have any complaints because some people are suggesting the locals are botching it but if the foreign cops are not voicing concern then clearly the locals are doing what needs to be done.

    There doesn't seem to be any sense that the Malaysian police are making a mess of the investigation. The international police are simply there to help and provide extra expertise.


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    #445
    odyssey06
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    Spon Farmer wrote: »
    What I meant is do we and France/UK have cops who are trained to deal with foreign police when sent aboard. I imagine that even an experienced detective could be seriously out of his/her dept if plucked from Garda HQ/the Met, etc and plonked in foreign city dealing with their way of doing things.
    And I was asking is there any media outlet reporting that the visiting detectives have any complaints because some people are suggesting the locals are botching it but if the foreign cops are not voicing concern then clearly the locals are doing what needs to be done.

    Interesting points but I suspect we would not hear that kind of criticism at this stage if the outside cops are trying to assist the locals and gain their trust.
    I think that kind of feedback would stay within government channels for now.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #446
    Spon Farmer
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    Strazdas wrote: »
    There doesn't seem to be any sense that the Malaysian police are making a mess of the investigation. The international police are simply there to help and provide extra expertise.

    As I said I was not saying the locals are botching it. I'm saying that if there are no complaints from the actual visiting cops then people shouldn't make the claim.


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    Spon Farmer
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    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Interesting points but I suspect we would not hear that kind of criticism at this stage if the outside cops are trying to assist the locals and gain their trust.
    I think that kind of feedback would stay within government channels for now.

    If things were bad it would leak.

    Didn't the UK cops criticise the Spanish police during the McCann case?


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    JP Liz V1
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    Not looking good the longer she is missing

    I hope she is found safe and alive
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    #449
    odyssey06
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    Spon Farmer wrote: »
    If things were ba it would leak.

    Didn't the UK cops criticise the Spanish police during the McCann case?

    And did that help? I think nothing would make it more likely that the local police would close ranks.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #450
    Portsalon
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    Spon Farmer wrote: »

    Do we and the UK and France have detectives who are trained or specialise in going abroad for situations like this?

    I read in one of the papers that the guy we have sent over works in the GS's International Liaison Unit and his normal job involves liaising with Interpol. So I would assume that he has decent experience of dealing with other countries' police forces.


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    N365
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    Spon Farmer wrote: »
    It is not beyond the realms of possibility that someone snuck in and the family was just exhausted and heard nothing.

    If Nora leave the cottage without being heard then some could enter without being heard.

    I've read several different reports - at first I thought it was bedroom window that was up but apparently it a ground floor window and the kids were upstairs. I also read that the other children said Nora went out the window but I cannot find that article now so maybe I'm just confused.

    Think about how difficult it would be to enter the house (key needed) go upstairs lift her up without waking her( presumably she would cry out if she was woken) carry her downstairs and carry her through the window (for some reason) ps there was no sign of entry through the window)


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