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Is this the end of Democrat front runner Joe Biden?

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    #932
    Peregrinus
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    Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »
    Trump just turned 74 a week or two ago, Joe is heading for 78 come November
    When you stick a 4yr term on the end some 81yr old getting wheeled in, to hammer out a deal with the former bigKim's much younger sister, it won't be a good look.
    Although, obviously, still a better look than the thought of Trump doing it.

    And this is Trump's problem, basically. In any straight-up comparison between Trump and Biden - or Trump and practically anyone, really - Trump will always lose. Trump cannot win this election by making his personal qualities an election issue; a focus on personal qualities will always, always hurt him.

    His only possible route - and it's not a very promising one - is to campaign on issues. "Law and Order!" seems to be the issue he has chosen.


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    #933
    notobtuse
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    ollkiller wrote: »
    Is that Joe's bunker lol. Fundraiser from home so not endangering lives. Like a responsible president should do. I wonder what the virus transmission rate will be in Tulsa and Arizona in 2 weeks time.
    Do we really want a president whose only strength is hiding out and avoiding the real issues?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #934
    ohnonotgmail
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Do we really want a president whose only strength is hiding out and avoiding the real issues?

    unlike bunkerbitch who makes every situation he gets involved in worse.


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    #935
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Do we really want a president whose only strength is hiding out and avoiding the real issues?

    You say hiding out

    Everyone else says being socially responsible during a global pandemic that has and continues to kill thousands of Americans.

    Best to hold mass rallies so he can have his ego stroked right? :rolleyes:


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    #936
    Peregrinus
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Do we really want a president whose only strength is hiding out and avoiding the real issues?
    That option is not offered.

    Instead, you can choose the candidate who "hides out", or you can choose the candidate who avoids the real issues - the candidate who thinks that the most important topic to address at the first rally of his re-election campaign is his own ability to walk without falling over and to drink a glass of water with one hand.


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    #937
    notobtuse
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    You say hiding out

    Everyone else says being socially responsible during a global pandemic that has and continues to kill thousands of Americans.

    Best to hold mass rallies so he can have his ego stroked right? :rolleyes:
    LOL. First it’s holding mass rallies is bad but protests are good. Then it was his rally was so small. Isn’t it a good thing the rally was small as to not spread the coronaviurs? Or is it as expected... no matter what Trump does is bad and everything Biden does is good?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #938
    Overheal
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Do we really want a president whose only strength is hiding out and avoiding the real issues?

    That’s what we have now..


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    #939
    ohnonotgmail
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    LOL. First it’s holding mass rallies is bad but protests are good. Then it was his rally was so small. Isn’t it a good thing the rally was small as to not spread the coronaviurs? Or is it as expected... no matter what Trump does is bad and everything Biden does is good?

    maybe if it had been small intentionally and the attendees had practiced proper social distancing and wore masks.


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    #940
    ollkiller
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Do we really want a president whose only strength is hiding out and avoiding the real issues?

    2 points. First he's not hiding. He's being responsible in the face of a pandemic. Trump giving speeches to large crowds will inevitably lead to someone in the crowd or their relative dying. That's heinous behaviour.

    Second whilst Trump is currently doing everything to kill his own campaign Biden should rightly do and say nothing. Trump is currently winning it for Biden.

    Look I won't blindly defend anyone like you with Trump. When this watergate with one hand shyte was going round I rightly did it was a load of nonsense. Giving out about how he drinks a glass of water detracts from the real issues he's useless at. Currently your stick is Biden is hiding. It's nonsense.


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    #941
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    LOL. First it’s holding mass rallies is bad but protests are good. Then it was his rally was so small. Isn’t it a good thing the rally was small as to not spread the coronaviurs? Or is it as expected... no matter what Trump does is bad and everything Biden does is good?

    You keep making this idiotic claim, who has said this? Please find a post in the thread where anyone has claimed this. You're playing the Trump hand for all its worth, say anything, doesn't matter if its true or not say it anyway.


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    #942
    notobtuse
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    Peregrinus wrote: »
    That option is not offered.

    Instead, you can choose the candidate who "hides out", or you can choose the candidate who avoids the real issues - the candidate who thinks that the most important topic to address at the first rally of his re-election campaign is his own ability to walk without falling over and to drink a glass of water with one hand.
    Is that the only thing you watched from the rally? It was much more than that interlude comedic section, such as the left-wing extremist dystopia we are currently witnessing gaining a greater foothold if Biden is elected as he's controlled by the radical left. About how it’s now it’s now time to get back to work. How democrats want to abolish bail and ICE, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, and how they want to dismantle police forces across the nation.

    What has Biden done lately except to beg for money?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #943
    notobtuse
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    ollkiller wrote: »
    2 points. First he's not hiding. He's being responsible in the face of a pandemic. Trump giving speeches to large crowds will inevitably lead to someone in the crowd or their relative dying. That's heinous behaviour.

    Second whilst Trump is currently doing everything to kill his own campaign Biden should rightly do and say nothing. Trump is currently winning it for Biden.

    Look I won't blindly defend anyone like you with Trump. When this watergate with one hand shyte was going round I rightly did it was a load of nonsense. Giving out about how he drinks a glass of water detracts from the real issues he's useless at. Currently your stick is Biden is hiding. It's nonsense.
    Where is Joe Biden right now?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #944
    Peregrinus
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Is that the only thing you watched from the rally? It was much more than that interlude comedic section, such as the left-wing extremist dystopia we are currently witnessing gaining a greater foothold if Biden is elected as he's controlled by the radical left. About how it’s now it’s now time to get back to work. How democrats want to abolish bail and ICE, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, and how they want to dismantle police forces across the nation.
    He devoted substantially more time to his walking and drinking ability than to any of the topics that you mention. A less self-obsessed and insecure candidate wouldn't make this error.

    He probably also wouldn't make the mistake of spouting nonsense about how Biden is "controlled by the radical left" or the Democrats "want to abolish bail"; this rubbish may excite the people who are going to vote for Trump anyway, but will do nothing to attract the swing voters who might vote for Trump if he looks sane but not if he looks deranged. And it's the latter group who will decide the election.


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    #945
    Overheal
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Where is Joe Biden right now?

    Probably running his campaign in a well advised and safe social distant manner


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    #946
    Peregrinus
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Where is Joe Biden right now?
    In bed, most likely. It's a quarter to midnight in Delaware.


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    #947
    Overheal
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    Peregrinus wrote: »
    In bed, most likely. It's a quarter to midnight in Delaware.

    You’ve got that flipped backwards it’s almost lunch


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    #948
    notobtuse
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    Peregrinus wrote: »
    He devoted substantially more time to his walking and drinking ability than to any of the topics that you mention. A less self-obsessed and insecure candidate wouldn't make this error.

    He probably also wouldn't make the mistake of spouting nonsense about how Biden is "controlled by the radical left" or the Democrats "want to abolish bail"; this rubbish may excite the people who are going to vote for Trump anyway, but will do nothing to attract the swing voters who might vote for Trump if he looks sane but not if he looks deranged. And it's the latter group who will decide the election.
    It was a rally for his supporters and those who were interested in what he had to say. People seems to enjoy hearing what he had to say. Going after swing voters and independents is a different strategy. What did Biden say in his last appeal to voters, and when was that?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #949
    notobtuse
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    Peregrinus wrote: »
    In bed, most likely. It's a quarter to midnight in Delaware.
    It's 11:55 am in Delaware. I doubt that's past his bedtime, but you never know.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #950
    Peregrinus
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    It was a rally for his supporters and those who were interested in what he had to say. People seems to enjoy hearing what he had to say. Going after swing voters and independents is a different strategy.
    It's a strategy he needs to follow to have any chance of winning, though. His core support is not enough to win the election for him.
    notobtuse wrote: »
    What did Biden say in his last appeal to voters, and when was that?
    At the moment Biden is wisely leaving it to Trump to drum up support for Biden. Trump is doing a good job there; Biden has been trending steadily upwards for over a month, while Trump has been trending downwards and is currently as low as he has ever been since this became a two-horse race.

    As long as this strategy keeps working as well as it does now, Biden would be foolish to change it. Trump, obviously, would be wise to change it, but not even Trump's warmest admirers would claim that wisdom is one of his more distinctive characteristics.


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    #951
    BloodyBill
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    Peregrinus wrote: »
    It's a strategy he needs to follow to have any chance of winning, though. His core support is not enough to win the election for him.


    At the moment Biden is wisely leaving it to Trump to drum up support for Biden. Trump is doing a good job there; Biden has been trending steadily upwards for over a month, while Trump has been trending downwards and is currently as low as he has ever been since this became a two-horse race.

    As long as this strategy keeps working as well as it does now, Biden would be foolish to change it. Trump, obviously, would be wise to change it, but not even Trump's warmest admirers would claim that wisdom is one of his more distinctive characteristics.

    If Biden was 20 points ahead before the debates it probably wouldnt be enough. Trump will 'Rag doll' him in the debates. At the moment people are contemplating Biden....and that's all it will be. The Americans are a profoundly cautious and sensible people .


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    #952
    FVP3
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Meanwhile in reality: Obama and Biden raise $11M in one sitting last night,

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/obama-and-biden-end-blockbuster-11-million-fundraiser-by-saying-i-love-you-to-each-other/

    The democrats is definitely the party of the rich, these days.


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    #953
    Overheal
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    FVP3 wrote: »
    The democrats is definitely the party of the rich, these days.

    I fail to see how.

    Over $7M of that was small donors.

    Next are we to pretend the rich don’t support the party of tax cuts?


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    #954
    notobtuse
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    BloodyBill wrote: »
    If Biden was 20 points ahead before the debates it probably wouldnt be enough. Trump will 'Rag doll' him in the debates. At the moment people are contemplating Biden....and that's all it will be. The Americans are a profoundly cautious and sensible people .
    Right now Biden is ahead in the polls not because people think Biden is worthy, but because they're against Trump due to the 24/7 hatred drummed up by the biased mainstream media who are in the pockets of democrats. And hatred is never a sustaining strategy. Obama knows this and what he focused on in his lecture to democrat supporters, along with begging for money. Once the debates start people will be able to see for themselves as the democrat media handmaidens will be unable to control the entire narrative, and you will see a shift in support.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #955
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Right now Biden is ahead in the polls not because people think Biden is worthy, but because they're against Trump due to the 24/7 hatred drummed up by the biased mainstream media who are in the pockets of democrats. Once the debates start people will be able to see for themselves as the democrat media handmaidens will be unable to control the entire narrative, and you will see a shift in support.

    Jesus you managed to use up all of your tired clichés in one sentence, I'm impressed!

    Any chance now you could show us a post where people were saying rallies are bad but protests are good? It's just you keep throwing that out there but never seem to follow up with evidence when its requested.


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    #956
    AMKC
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    BloodyBill wrote: »
    If Biden was 20 points ahead before the debates it probably wouldnt be enough. Trump will 'Rag doll' him in the debates. At the moment people are contemplating Biden....and that's all it will be. The Americans are a profoundly cautious and sensible people .

    Ha lol and that's why they elected Trump. I totally disagree. If Biden is smart during the debates and does not let Trump intimidate him like Hillary did he will do grand.Trump is giving Biden all the fire power he needs for the elections. All the evidence is there in video and on Twitter etc of every stupid and downright horrible thing Trump has done. Hopefully Biden is getting these all ready to be used against Trump.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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    #957
    Cody montana
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    AMKC wrote: »
    Ha lol and that's why they elected Trump. I totally disagree. If Biden is smart during the debates and does not let Trump intimidate him like Hillary did he will do grand.Trump is giving Biden all the fire power he needs for the elections. All the evidence is there in video and on Twitter etc of every stupid and downright horrible thing Trump has done. Hopefully Biden is getting these all ready to be used against Trump.

    All Biden has to do is talk about all his broken promises(many) and his handling of the coronavirus(surging).


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    #958
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    FVP3 wrote: »
    The democrats is definitely the party of the rich, these days.

    Indeed. There are also bundling operations like ActBlue and several others.


    Presidential candidates court wealthy donors while Trump dominates small-dollar fundraising
    OpenSecrets estimates that 64 percent of Trump’s campaign cash comes from small donors when accounting for transfers from Trump’s small-dollar joint fundraising committee, totaling $174 million through April. Biden has raised $69 million from those giving $200 or less. Small donors make up about 39 percent of his total fundraising.

    source


    How ActBlue Is Trying To Turn Small Donations Into A Blue Wave
    ActBlue, a nonprofit whose online fundraising tools have been used to varying degrees by nearly every Democrat running for Congress, says it has raised more than $2.9 billion for Democrats and progressive organizations since its founding in 2004. September was the biggest month in its history.

    source

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    #959
    Biker79
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    If the last few months are anything to go by, I sincerely hope Trump wins. For the sake of America's future. ( Or any conservative administration )

    The radical leftists have gained such power that they will cause destruction for no reason other than its own sake.

    If he does, and he manages to regulate the role social media companies play as platforms for public speech, that should undo some of the damage that has culminated in the recent looting and riots. It may also restore the mainstream media under an institution that facilitates the reporting of facts - not creating politically driven narratives.

    Otherwise, these commies may end up causing a civil war. What the implications would be for Ireland or the rest of the world is anyone's guess.


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    #960
    notobtuse
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    Today a federal appeals court ordered that the lower-court judge must dismiss the criminal case against Michael Flynn, who was President Trump’s first national security advisor. Flynn was illegally spied upon and railroaded by the Obama administration and holdovers. Not good for Biden as it has come out he was involved in the illegal government actions taken against Flynn and possibly involved in the coup against a duly elected president. Perhaps Biden needs an escape tunnel from that underground bunker of his.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #961
    Tell me how
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    Biker79 wrote: »
    If the last few months are anything to go by, I sincerely hope Trump wins. For the sake of America's future. ( Or any conservative administration )

    The radical leftists have gained such power that they will cause destruction for no reason other than its own sake.

    If he does, and he manages to regulate the role social media companies play as platforms for public speech, that should undo some of the damage that has culminated in the recent looting and riots. It may also restore the mainstream media under an institution that facilitates the reporting of facts - not creating politically driven narratives.

    Otherwise, these commies may end up causing a civil war. What the implications would be for Ireland or the rest of the world is anyone's guess.

    The lack of self awareness it takes to talk about the role of social media companies as platforms for free speech and the impact of this is quite staggering when you think for a second how much Trump uses Twitter and the way he does so.


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