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Is this the end of Democrat front runner Joe Biden?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w



    Middle class/working class joes giving their hard earned money to rich folks is just kind of hard to understand...Referring to the small donations that is...

    The money goes on TV adverts(money going to big networks) & consultancy firms(already rich folks)...lots of other cogs in the wheel...but those 2 seem to eat a huge chuck of change


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Other than endless pages about trump, what are bidens policies? Probably the most important discussion. I doubt he even knows at this stage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,589 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    If Biden was 20 points ahead before the debates it probably wouldnt be enough. Trump will 'Rag doll' him in the debates. At the moment people are contemplating Biden....and that's all it will be. The Americans are a profoundly cautious and sensible people .

    Laughable. All these recent logins showing up to yatter on with Trump winning a head-to-head debate, which he profoundly, abjectly LOST to HRC in 2016.

    He still can't put two sentences together. He melts down to softball questions from the press. When he's asked a loaded question in the debate, will he say "That's a nasty question?" or "She's bleeding out of her wherever?"

    It's just a Trrumpist echo-chamber when it comes to this nonsense- they're desperate for anything to give them some hope for the worst failure in US electoral history to be a Presidential candidate in US electoral history, the #IMPOTUS, has a glimmer of hope so their few votes aren't simply wasted. Biden will annihilate him. It'll be over after the first debate for Trump.

    No one's undecided at this point.

    The best part is when Trump will try to deflect to his accomplishments. Worst unemployment rates ever. 150,000+ excess deaths due to Covid (that number's a conservative guess based on where things are today and a debate in October or so.) Collapsed economy, negative GDP for the months leading up.

    Debate. Hah. Good luck.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,700 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Other than endless pages about trump, what are bidens policies? Probably the most important discussion. I doubt he even knows at this stage.

    You can read about them on his website.
    • The Biden Plan for Full Participation and Equality for People With Disabilities
    • Joe’s leadership in times of crisis: COVID-19
    • Joe Biden’s Proposals to Set Up Support for Deserving Small Businesses
    • The Biden 4-Point Plan for Our Essential Workers
    • The Biden Plan to Scale Up Employment Insurance by Reforming Short-Time Compensation Programs
    • The Biden Plan for Bankruptcy Reform
    • The Biden Plan for Combating Coronavirus (COVID-19)
    • Lift Every Voice: The Biden Plan for Black America
    • Joe Biden's Agenda for Women
    • The Biden Plan for Central America
    • The Biden Plan for Immigration
    • The Biden Plan for Infrastructure
    • The Biden Plan for Veterans
    • The Biden Plan for Military Families
    • The Biden Plan for Encouraging Unions and Empowering Workers
    • The Biden Plan for Campaign Finance and Government Reform
    • The Biden Plan For Education Beyond High School
    • The Biden Plan for Ending Gun Violence
    • The Biden Plan for Violence Against Women
    • The Biden Plan for Criminal Justice Reform
    • The Biden Plan for Rural America
    • The Biden Plan for Older Americans and Retirement
    • The Biden Plan for Health Care
    • The Biden Plan for Restoring American Leadership
    • The Biden Plan for Climate Change
    • The Biden Plan for K-12 Education
    • The Biden Plan for Housing
    • The Biden Plan for LGBTQ+ Equality
    • The Biden Plan for Opioids and Substance Use Disorders
    • Joe Biden's Agenda for The Catholic Community
    • Joe Biden’s Agenda For Students
    • Joe Biden's Agenda for The Black Community
    • Joe Biden’s Agenda for The Latino Community
    • Joe Biden’s Agenda for the AAPI Community
    • Joe Biden's Agenda for the Jewish Community
    • Joe Biden’s Agenda for Muslim-American Communities
    • Joe Biden’s Commitment to Indian Country

    What are Trumps?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,330 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    You can read about them on his website.



    What are Trumps?

    Blame democrats.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,700 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Blame democrats.

    You're not lying. The front page of his site has a donation screen (can't seem to get in to site without actually donating) which includes this text.
    Democrats have made it clear that they are the party of high taxes, high crime, and RADICAL SOCIALISM.

    It’s up to YOU to send a message that America will NEVER be a socialist country. President Trump needs you on his team to ensure victory and help us Keep America Great.

    I mean, who wrote that, with the accusatory tone directly aimed at Democrats, it's not even allowing room for any conservatively inclined Democrat to even think 'This guy might still be my guy'


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    The lack of self awareness it takes to talk about the role of social media companies as platforms for free speech and the impact of this is quite staggering when you think for a second how much Trump uses Twitter and the way he does so.
    If there's one thing Trump fans are experts at it's lacking self awareness

    See his number one fanboy constantly banging on about Biden's bunker as a perfect example


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


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    AOC’s blowout win, last-minute voting in Kentucky and other key takeaways from Tuesday’s primaries


    Good news for the Trump campaign since AOC is still elected. AOC was elected for the same reason trump was i.e. a reaction to the establishment. Biden will find it difficult to pull the party towards the centre.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    The lack of self awareness it takes to talk about the role of social media companies as platforms for free speech and the impact of this is quite staggering when you think for a second how much Trump uses Twitter and the way he does so.

    If they were regulated, which means providing a balanced platform to all sides of discourse, it would mean nothing to Trump's tweets. As long as Twitter is the most effective way of communicating to an audience, he'll continue to use it.

    The problem Google, Facebook and Twitter have ( along with media companies with failing business models such as the Guardian/ BBC/ NY Times )... is that they provide a free service, so it must be paid for by advertisers. Additionally, they actively promote conflict ( ' right ' vs ' left ' ) in the way they frame their stories, as it artificially creates engagement to boost advertisers interest.

    No advertiser/ brand owner wants to be associated with anything ambiguous or remotely risky...which has meant a sort of daft lefty frame taking hold amongst these companies. A fake social justice agenda to appease advertisers.

    Let the media companies fail and regulate the role of social media companies in public discourse and discussions will return back to centre-left/ right. This is where they were up until recently.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,700 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Biker79 wrote: »
    If they were regulated, which means providing a balanced platform to all sides of discourse, it would mean nothing to Trump's tweets. As long as Twitter is the most effective way of communicating to an audience, he'll continue to use it.

    The problem Google, Facebook and Twitter have ( along with media companies with failing business models such as the Guardian/ BBC/ NY Times )... is that they provide a free service, so it must be paid for by advertisers. Additionally, they actively promote conflict ( ' right ' vs ' left ' ) in the way they frame their stories, as it artificially creates engagement to boost advertisers interest.

    No advertiser/ brand owner wants to be associated with anything ambiguous or remotely risky...which has meant a sort of daft lefty frame taking hold amongst these companies. A fake social justice agenda to appease advertisers.

    Let the media companies fail and regulate the role of social media companies in public discourse and discussions will return back to centre-left/ right. This is where they were up until recently.

    Since Moses grabbed everyones attention with what was written on two pieces of stone, the media has long been viewed as a tool through which to influence public discourse and opinion.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    Since Moses grabbed everyones attention with what was written on two pieces of stone, the media has long been viewed as a tool through which to influence public discourse and opinion.

    It's fair to say that this has been seriously ramped up since about 2006. This was the first time I remember the broadsheets introducing opinion and narrative-based articles ( these used to be confined editorial comments ).

    Then recently came the introduction of weapons-grade analytics that could shape opinions with much greater degrees of precision.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭Jizique


    You're not lying. The front page of his site has a donation screen (can't seem to get in to site without actually donating) which includes this text.



    I mean, who wrote that, with the accusatory tone directly aimed at Democrats, it's not even allowing room for any conservatively inclined Democrat to even think 'This guy might still be my guy'

    It’s fair to say hat Trump is the most socialist president of all time; the widest deficit since WW2, a host of pork barrel spending policies incorporating a trillion on infrastructure, 2 trillion on unemployment schemes, and trillions on Fed schemes to support heavily indebted companies to prevent them going bust and their employees losing their jobs;


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,704 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Jizique wrote: »
    It’s fair to say hat Trump is the most socialist president of all time; the widest deficit since WW2, a host of pork barrel spending policies incorporating a trillion on infrastructure, 2 trillion on unemployment schemes, and trillions on Fed schemes to support heavily indebted companies to prevent them going bust and their employees losing their jobs;

    I'd put that more on the corporatism spectrum myself.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,490 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    I'd put that more on the corporatism spectrum myself.

    Corporate socialism is still socialism


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Overheal wrote: »
    Corporate socialism is still socialism

    The merger of Corporate and State I suppose.

    You could say nothing outside of the State.

    I wouldn't agree with you but that would be your Socialism.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Help me out here. What’s has Joe Biden’s said how he, as president, would handle the violence, destruction and mayhem that has been plaguing urban cities like Seattle, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Washington DC and the other cities experiencing devastation? Left unchecked they’ll just continue. I can’t find anything. You’d think someone wanting to be president wouldn’t cower away from showing leadership and taking a stance on the violence and mayhem just because it might be discomforting to his campaign. Of course it is Joe Biden, and he doesn't seem to have intestinal fortitude, so 'run, hide' might be his go-to position.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,591 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Help me out here. What’s has Joe Biden’s said how he, as president, would handle the violence, destruction and mayhem that has been plaguing urban cities like Seattle, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Washington DC and the other cities experiencing devastation? Left unchecked they’ll just continue. I can’t find anything. You’d think someone wanting to be president wouldn’t cower away from showing leadership and taking a stance on the violence and mayhem just because it might be discomforting to his campaign. Of course it is Joe Biden, and he doesn't seem to have intestinal fortitude, so 'run, hide' might be his go-to position.

    Maybe he hasn't spoken about it because he (as would i) expects the current president to get on with the job of fixing this. Or do you believe this will run on through the election and onto January's inauguration?


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,466 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Help me out here. What’s has Joe Biden’s said how he, as president, would handle the violence, destruction and mayhem that has been plaguing urban cities like Seattle, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Washington DC and the other cities experiencing devastation? Left unchecked they’ll just continue. I can’t find anything. You’d think someone wanting to be president wouldn’t cower away from showing leadership and taking a stance on the violence and mayhem just because it might be discomforting to his campaign. Of course it is Joe Biden, and he doesn't seem to have intestinal fortitude, so 'run, hide' might be his go-to position.

    if he had been president it would never have got to this stage. Trump poured fuel on the fire at every opportunity


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Trump reminds me of a trade execution analyst, divide and conquer until you get the best price. He just applied it to every problem, does not really work for a society though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    if he had been president it would never have got to this stage. Trump poured fuel on the fire at every opportunity
    Trump had nothing to do with how the violent protests came about. And Biden would probably do what he is doing now... cowering in silence.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,466 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Trump had nothing to do with how the violent protests came about.

    he is responsible for making it worse. remember he threatened to shoot looters?
    notobtuse wrote: »
    And Biden would probably do what he is doing now... cowering in silence.

    cowering in silence? ironic coming from a fan of BunkerBitch. a term i will use every time you mention Biden "cowering in silence". Biden was able to appear in public without having to tear gas people in his path.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,700 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Help me out here. What’s has Joe Biden’s said how he, as president, would handle the violence, destruction and mayhem that has been plaguing urban cities like Seattle, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Washington DC and the other cities experiencing devastation? Left unchecked they’ll just continue. I can’t find anything. You’d think someone wanting to be president wouldn’t cower away from showing leadership and taking a stance on the violence and mayhem just because it might be discomforting to his campaign. Of course it is Joe Biden, and he doesn't seem to have intestinal fortitude, so 'run, hide' might be his go-to position.

    I already said that this could have been handled much differently if the President had expressed dismay that some people in Black Communities continued to experience prejudice, he could have pointed to much improvement in racial relationships which would have appeased some conservatives by acknowldging that that things were better in some ways for blacks then they had been. He could have gone further to calm their sense of being targeted by saying that there are white people who experience prejudice also and that our society needs to be better able to treat all people fairly. He could have pointed to incidents where police have been targeted and said that they too know what it is like to feel attacked.
    All that would have said 'All Lives Matter' in a much less argumentative way.
    He could have then said that it was important that people could exercise their 1st amendment right and that he was going to ask law enforcement to allow this to happen without conflict, unless looting or property destruction started.
    He could have then said that right now, that Black communities are especially aggrieved and that he is going to form a committee to investigate this with members of black communities, participants from both sides of the political aisles and a key black person to be involved in leading it. Hell, this could even have been Kanye to help communicate the message to black communities that he was listening.

    But instead, he used inflammatory divisive language and extolled state governors to get really physical or that they would look like jerks and said that anyone arrested should get 10 years in jail.

    As I also said before, he could have used this in his campaign to say he needed a second term to see this through.
    He is so absolutely, irrefutably, incapable of measured strategic thinking and facilitating finding a middle ground that I would expect he would be incapable of sorting out a dispute between two families in the two houses of a semi-d.

    Note in what I said above, I didn't say here's what Biden would have done. Because Biden isn't President. If I can outline a basic strategy which would have helped calm things and would also have actually helped Trump towards re-election, I think someone who is a career politician and who was Vice President for 8 years would have managed it. Not to mention that his friend, the former Black President of the US would no doubt assist in communicating a conciliatory message.


  • Registered Users Posts: 83,490 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Help me out here. What’s has Joe Biden’s said how he, as president, would handle the violence, destruction and mayhem that has been plaguing urban cities like Seattle, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Washington DC and the other cities experiencing devastation? Left unchecked they’ll just continue. I can’t find anything. You’d think someone wanting to be president wouldn’t cower away from showing leadership and taking a stance on the violence and mayhem just because it might be discomforting to his campaign. Of course it is Joe Biden, and he doesn't seem to have intestinal fortitude, so 'run, hide' might be his go-to position.

    ‘Something something pot-stirring post du jour’

    Someone is still seething that Biden is soaring in the polls from the comfort of his living room and he demands it end and he wants all of us to be just as upset about it.

    As for you “not finding” anything Biden has said that’s not surprising in the least, though it far from demonstrates that he didn’t, it just seems to further demonstrate your notoriously selective research skills


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,647 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Trump had nothing to do with how the violent protests came about. And Biden would probably do what he is doing now... cowering in silence.

    There's nothing Biden can do about it at this point. He's not the president. You're being absurd.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    I already said that this could have been handled much differently if the President had expressed dismay that some people in Black Communities continued to experience prejudice, he could have pointed to much improvement in racial relationships which would have appeased some conservatives by acknowldging that that things were better in some ways for blacks then they had been. He could have gone further to calm their sense of being targeted by saying that there are white people who experience prejudice also and that our society needs to be better able to treat all people fairly. He could have pointed to incidents where police have been targeted and said that they too know what it is like to feel attacked.
    All that would have said 'All Lives Matter' in a much less argumentative way.
    He could have then said that it was important that people could exercise their 1st amendment right and that he was going to ask law enforcement to allow this to happen without conflict, unless looting or property destruction started.
    He could have then said that right now, that Black communities are especially aggrieved and that he is going to form a committee to investigate this with members of black communities, participants from both sides of the political aisles and a key black person to be involved in leading it. Hell, this could even have been Kanye to help communicate the message to black communities that he was listening.

    But instead, he used inflammatory divisive language and extolled state governors to get really physical or that they would look like jerks and said that anyone arrested should get 10 years in jail.

    As I also said before, he could have used this in his campaign to say he needed a second term to see this through.
    He is so absolutely, irrefutably, incapable of measured strategic thinking and facilitating finding a middle ground that I would expect he would be incapable of sorting out a dispute between two families in the two houses of a semi-d.

    Note in what I said above, I didn't say here's what Biden would have done. Because Biden isn't President. If I can outline a basic strategy which would have helped calm things and would also have actually helped Trump towards re-election, I think someone who is a career politician and who was Vice President for 8 years would have managed it. Not to mention that his friend, the former Black President of the US would no doubt assist in communicating a conciliatory message.
    BS. Trump has done more for the black community than the 6 presidents before him. The problem lies with the democrat mayors and governors of the cities experiencing violence and mayhem. If they would have respected peaceful protests and not allowed looting, violence, mayhem and destruction it would not be what is it today... out of control! If people think they can get away with crimes, nothing stops them from partaking in it again when they feel they've been wronged.

    Yes, Biden isn't president but he wants to be. He should be strong and tell us what he would do so we can decide to vote for him, or not. Not cower in his basement bunker.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,466 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    notobtuse wrote: »
    BS. Trump has done more for the black community than the 6 presidents before him. The problem lies with the democrat mayors and governors of the cities experiencing violence and mayhem. If they would have respected peaceful protests and now allowed looting, violence, mayhem and destruction it would not be what is it today... out of control! If people think they can get away with crimes, nothing stops them from partaking in it again when they feel they've been wronged.

    Yes, Biden isn't president but he wants to be. He should be strong and tell us what he would do so we can decide to vote for him, or not. Not cower in his basement bunker.

    much smarter to let BunkerBitch continue to make an absolute balls of things.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    So it appears likely it was Joe Biden who initially pushed for the illegal spying on Michael Flynn by maliciously misapplying the Logan Act as his excuse. Perhaps Trump should tweet out he perhaps should recommend to the DOJ that they bring charges against John Kerry who is ACTUALLY in violation of the Logan Act with his continued negotiations with Iran... and then watch the democrats and their media handmaidens heads collectively explode.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,700 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    notobtuse wrote: »
    BS. Trump has done more for the black community than the 6 presidents before him. The problem lies with the democrat mayors and governors of the cities experiencing violence and mayhem. If they would have respected peaceful protests and now allowed looting, violence, mayhem and destruction it would not be what is it today... out of control! If people think they can get away with crimes, nothing stops them from partaking in it again when they feel they've been wronged.

    Sure. That must be why he has such support amongs Black voters in Polls right now.

    Also, protests are ongoing with no violence which proves your last sentence is false.
    notobtuse wrote: »
    Yes, Biden isn't president but he wants to be. He should be strong and tell us what he would do so we can decide to vote for him, or not. Not cower in his basement bunker.

    He said what should be done with Covid and you ignored all that.

    He has also commented on what to do in relation to the protests, here's a transcript. . Why are you ignoring this?

    Cowering in a bunker? Lol. Trump went down to his in the white house on numerous occasions. While having the secret service to protect him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Sure. That must be why he has such support amongs Black voters in Polls right now.

    Also, protests are ongoing with no violence which proves your last sentence is false.



    He said what should be done with Covid and you ignored all that.

    He has also commented on what to do in relation to the protests, here's a transcript. . Why are you ignoring this?

    Cowering in a bunker? Lol. Trump went down to his in the white house on numerous occasions. While having the secret service to protect him.
    No place for violence but police shouldn’t use violent methods to stop them? What kind of mumbo-jumbo claptrap is that Biden's spouting?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,700 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    notobtuse wrote: »
    No place for violence but police shouldn’t use violent methods to stop them? What kind of mumbo-jumbo claptrap is that Biden's spouting?

    It's not his fault you don't seem to have the capacity to understand clear English.

    It does explain your support for Trump however.


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