Is this the end of Democrat front runner Joe Biden?

jamule

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Biker79 wrote: »

You can't make it to the office of the president without being competent. Hate to break it to you. Especially with no prior experience, at the age of 70.

In what way is Trump competent?

You can answer this in one of two ways.
Either in what he has done in his career before being President, or what he has done as President.

And to save me responding to you with examples, let me include them here.

He has had 13 failed business ventures
Trump’s failed businesses:

1. Trump Steaks
2. GoTrump
3. Trump Airlines
4. Trump Vodka
5. Trump Mortgage
6. Trump: The Game
7. Trump Magazine
8. Trump University
9. Trump Ice
10. The New Jersey Generals
11. Tour de Trump
12. Trump Network
13. Trumped!

And has sought bankruptcy protection 6 times.
1. Trump Taj Mahal
2. Trump’s Castle
3. Trump Plaza Casinos
4. Trump Plaza Hotel
5. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts
6. Trump Entertainment Resorts

Not to mention the fact that he wanted to hide his tax returns and whatever truths are hidden by that fact. And that's before we talk about more people dying in a pandemic than in American wars since WW2, the largest unemployment figures since the great depression and his regressive acts towards environment protection.

So, he might be a lot of things, competent ain't one of them.

ohnonotgmail

Tell me how wrote: »

In what way is Trump competent?

You can answer this in one of two ways.
Either in what he has done in his career before being President, or what he has done as President.

And to save me responding to you with examples, let me include them here.

He has had 13 failed business ventures
Trump’s failed businesses:

1. Trump Steaks
2. GoTrump
3. Trump Airlines
4. Trump Vodka
5. Trump Mortgage
6. Trump: The Game
7. Trump Magazine
8. Trump University
9. Trump Ice
10. The New Jersey Generals
11. Tour de Trump
12. Trump Network
13. Trumped!

And has sought bankruptcy protection 6 times.
1. Trump Taj Mahal
2. Trump’s Castle
3. Trump Plaza Casinos
4. Trump Plaza Hotel
5. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts
6. Trump Entertainment Resorts

Not to mention the fact that he wanted to hide his tax returns and whatever truths are hidden by that fact. And that's before we talk about more people dying in a pandemic than in American wars since WW2, the largest unemployment figures since the great depression and his regressive acts towards environment protection.

So, he might be a lot of things, competent ain't one of them.

you left out trying to take health care away from millions of americans in the middle of a pandemic.

Doctor Jimbob

Biker79 wrote: »

You can't make it to the office of the president without being competent. Hate to break it to you. Especially with no prior experience, at the age of 70.

Counter point: literally anything the man has ever said. He's a moron.

Anyone who can listen to him and think he's intelligent must be short of a few brain cells themselves.

Tony EH

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Well obviously you can.

Trump didn't get there because he was competent, he got there because the Rep party organised a very competent team to run a very competent campaign.

Trump is an idiot, he will always be an idiot, he will be forever known as the worse president in the history of the USA.

Ah now, let's not go that far.

Trump's a twat, no doubt. But compared to Bush Jr his damage so far has been miniscule.

DrPhilG

When are the 3 debates scheduled?

They should be entertaining one way or the other. Either Biden will toast Trump on his failings, or Trump will goad Biden on his gaffes and make him lose the rag.

Igotadose

Tony EH wrote: »

Ah now, let's not go that far.

Trump's a twat, no doubt. But compared to Bush Jr his damage so far has been miniscule.

135,000 excess Covid-19 deaths. Lots of damage to the US economy and international standing. It's a close call with Bush Jr (who up till Trump was the worst of all time)

Danzy

Igotadose wrote: »

135,000 excess Covid-19 deaths. Lots of damage to the US economy and international standing. It's a close call with Bush Jr (who up till Trump was the worst of all time)

Why has America had so few deaths?

Too many if course but 350mn people live there.

Is it their climate?
Sure as **** isn't their healthy diet and exercise.

jackboy

DrPhilG wrote: »

When are the 3 debates scheduled?

They should be entertaining one way or the other. Either Biden will toast Trump on his failings, or Trump will goad Biden on his gaffes and make him lose the rag.

I don’t think Biden is capable of debating at this stage. His team will deal with this with massive preparation. Once he doesn’t get absolutely annihilated his team will be content.

namloc1980

DrPhilG wrote: »

When are the 3 debates scheduled?

They should be entertaining one way or the other. Either Biden will toast Trump on his failings, or Trump will goad Biden on his gaffes and make him lose the rag.

Going to be serious low quality debating either way. But it'll definitely be entertaining!

namloc1980

jamule wrote: »

can u give us a clue of what trumps goals are for his 2nd term. i listened to him answer hannity but i need a translator

He has no goals, he has no policies. His rallies are beyond embarrassing - no vision or platform for the future. What he does have is the ability to spout a load gibberish with a healthy dose of racism thrown in and the people at his rallies absolutely love it (case in point below). He's the most uninspiring leader I've seen in a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQjTCatM0Ww

Igotadose

jackboy wrote: »

I don’t think Trumpis capable of debating at this stage. His team will deal with this with massive preparation. Once he doesn’t get absolutely annihilated his team will be content.

FYP. Who has been more coherent to listen to, for the last few months? Hint: Not Trump

jackboy

Igotadose wrote: »

FYP. Who has been more coherent to listen to, for the last few months? Hint: Not Trump

In fairness Biden is incoherent. He is senile and can only half function reading a teleprompter. Trump is well able to speak off the cuff. He may speak rubbish but is generally saying what he means, whereas Biden just gets confused and mixed up.

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jackboy wrote: »

In fairness Biden is incoherent. He is senile and can only half function reading a teleprompter. Trump is well able to speak off the cuff. He may speak rubbish but is generally saying what he means, whereas Biden just gets confused and mixed up.

For the love of god......

It's not even worth arguing with this mindset.

Igotadose

jackboy wrote: »

In fairness Biden is incoherent. He is senile and can only half function reading a teleprompter. Trump is well able to speak off the cuff. He may speak rubbish but is generally saying what he means, whereas Biden just gets confused and mixed up.

Sidesplitting. In faurness, you're making it up as you go alonf. Try harder. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UE9BXkQ-SRc

Tony EH

jackboy wrote: »

In fairness Biden is incoherent. He is senile and can only half function reading a teleprompter. Trump is well able to speak off the cuff. He may speak rubbish but is generally saying what he means, whereas Biden just gets confused and mixed up.

This is the written version of setting up some dominoes and knocking them over.

jackboy

Tell me how wrote: »

For the love of god......

It's not even worth arguing with this mindset.

We are not talking about who would be the best president here, but who should win a debate. Clearly Trump would have the advantage in a debate. Not because he will say anything great but he is far better than Biden at the off the cuff stuff.

Biden will struggle to hold thing’s together during a debate. His only chance is to try and learn monologues off by heart and spout them out regardless of the questions.

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jackboy wrote: »

We are not talking about who would be the best president here, but who should win a debate. Clearly Trump would have the advantage in a debate. Not because he will say anything great but he is far better than Biden at the off the cuff stuff.

Biden will struggle to hold thing’s together during a debate. His only chance is to try and learn monologues off by heart and spout them out regardless of the questions.

Sean Hannity asked Trump what his goals were for a second term.

Trump: 'Well, one of the things that will be really great, you know the word experience is still good. I always say talent is more important than experience. I’ve always said that. But the word experience is a very important word. It’s an — a very important meaning.

I never did this before. I never slept over in Washington. I was in Washington, I think, 17 times. All of a sudden, I’m president of the United States. You know the story. I’m riding down Pennsylvania Avenue with our First Lady and I say, ‘This is great. But I didn’t know very many people in Washington. It wasn’t my thing. I was from Manhattan, from New York. Now I know everybody, and I have great people in the administration.”

You make some mistakes. Like, you know, an idiot like Bolton. All he wanted to do was drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to kill people.'

You really think that is the output of someone who is a good speaker?
And BS catchphrases of 'Build the wall' 'Lock her Up' isn't either.

timsey tiger

Tell me how wrote: »

Sean Hannity asked Trump what his goals were for a second term.



You really think that is the output of someone who is a good speaker?
And BS catchphrases of 'Build the wall' 'Lock her Up' isn't either.

Not bad if your goals are:
1. get richer
2. don't go to gaol

jackboy

Tell me how wrote: »

You really think that is the output of someone who is a good speaker?
And BS catchphrases of 'Build the wall' 'Lock her Up' isn't either.

Yes they are BS catchphrases.

However, it is really telling that I am being given instances of poor speaking from Trump rather than recent instances of good off the cuff speeches from Biden.

DeanAustin

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Sean Hannity asked Trump what his goals were for a second term.



You really think that is the output of someone who is a good speaker?
And BS catchphrases of 'Build the wall' 'Lock her Up' isn't either.

Yes. I'm never left in any doubt as to what Trump means. I think most of it is garbage but that just makes him a bad President. He's a very, very good speaker.

Tell me how

jackboy wrote: »

Yes they are BS catchphrases.

However, it is really telling that I am being given instances of poor speaking from Trump rather than recent instances of good off the cuff speeches from Biden.

You said that Trump is well able to speak of the cuff, he patently isn't. Just because there is noise coming from his mouth does not mean that he is well able to speak. The phrase, 'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt' could have been coined with him in mind.

Timberrrrrrrr

jackboy wrote: »

In fairness Biden is incoherent. He is senile and can only half function reading a teleprompter. Trump is well able to speak off the cuff. He may speak rubbish but is generally saying what he means, whereas Biden just gets confused and mixed up.

Oh look, another boards.ie medical expert has diagnosed Biden :rolleyes:

jackboy

Tell me how wrote: »

You said that Trump is well able to speak of the cuff, he patently isn't.

Ah in fairness he is. Of course you will find some mistakes but in general he speaks clearly, far clearer than Biden.

Rjd2

Igotadose wrote: »

135,000 excess Covid-19 deaths. Lots of damage to the US economy and international standing. It's a close call with Bush Jr (who up till Trump was the worst of all time)

Maybe if Trump gets another 4 years he could be worse than Bush, but as he won't then its JR.

We mustn't forget Iraq or downplay it, twas a war that was fought on lies, hundreds of thousands dead, ISIS emerged and the region radicalised.

We also had Katrina, plenty of dog whistling from his team and some terrible economic strategies, Bush as a person might be more intelligent and likeable than Trump but nope for now Bush was the worst of the two.

Timberrrrrrrr

DeanAustin wrote: »

Yes. I'm never left in any doubt as to what Trump means. I think most of it is garbage but that just makes him a bad President. He's a very, very good speaker.

He is in me hole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE9BXkQ-SRc

Itssoeasy

jackboy wrote: »

Ah in fairness he is. Of course you will find some mistakes but in general he speaks clearly, far clearer than Biden.

Some mistakes ? He lies constantly and sometimes contradicts himself in the same sentence. Speaking clearly isn't relevant when what you are speaking is verbal rubbish.

Doctor Jimbob

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Some mistakes ? He lies constantly and sometimes contradicts himself in the same sentence. Speaking clearly isn't relevant when what you are speaking is verbal rubbish.

I suppose if you don't care about accuracy, coherency, sentence structure, or the english language in general, he's a good speaker.

He can say a lot of words in a short amount of time. Maybe that's what people mean? I certainly can't think of any other way he could be considered a good speaker.

jamule

jackboy wrote: »

Ah in fairness he is. Of course you will find some mistakes but in general he speaks clearly, far clearer than Biden.

2 times in the last week he has spoken.
His speech in Tulsa and the Hannity interview, can you point out the good bits ( or at least translate them into somethinh correrent)

jackboy

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Some mistakes ? He lies constantly and sometimes contradicts himself in the same sentence. Speaking clearly isn't relevant when what you are speaking is verbal rubbish.

Speaking clearly is relevant in a debate, even if your talking rubbish.

Again, everyone here is just attacking trump. Absolutely no one has said anything to defend Biden yet. Why might that be?