Enda Kenny still winning

McMurphy

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Now there's an ironic statement!

Based on the latest story, it would seem that Enda reckons that representing his constituents in Dail votes and committees is entirely optional since he stepped down as Taoiseach, but he's happy to keep collecting the salary and expenses.

Trust Enda to go one better/worse than buttongate. Leo has proven to be even worse from the point of only delivering spin and soundbites, but Enda Kenny is a special kind of ego maniac - gave us the current lame duck Government so he could hit personal "records" (although it's probably a blessing in disguise as the damage they can do this time out has been limited), but also seems to think that he can treat the job now as some sort of semi-retirement plan at our expense.

You gotta admire his ability to be in two places at the same time though.

Two of those trips involved instances where Mr Kenny had also recorded his attendance at Leinster House. In May 2018, he was paid for a speaking event at a two-day conference in Zurich, Switzerland, hosted by Credit Suisse.

And

In November 2018, Mr Kenny had a speaking event in London. This event was called "JP Morgan: Best of British Conference," and on this day, Mr Kenny's attendance was recorded in Leinster House. Despite this, he missed all three D votes that day, two of which related to Brexit.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/1085832/

_Kaiser_

MadYaker wrote: »

You know the dail isn’t in session right? Can you explain how he gave us our current government?

Kenny's determination to be the only FG Taoiseach to get a second consecutive term meant we ended up with the current bunch of ineffective and one issue chancers in Government - eg: the minister for Stepaside Garda Station, or the Minister for bringing all the "refugees" home who also uses the role to try and take shots at an (American) president she doesn't like. He's also directly responsible for giving FF the whip hand and making them electable again (which REALLY must annoy the FGers).

But sure, as long as Enda got his personal best :rolleyes: As I said though, the silver lining is that the damage that Leo's Government can do is limited (partly also because the man is more concerned about his personal profile than being effective - must be part of the FG job profile).

Ulysses Gaze

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Kenny's determination to be the only FG Taoiseach to get a second consecutive term meant we ended up with the current bunch of ineffective and one issue chancers in Government - eg: the minister for Stepaside Garda Station, or the Minister for bringing all the "refugees" home who also uses the role to try and take shots at an (American) president she doesn't like. He's also directly responsible for giving FF the whip hand and making them electable again (which REALLY must annoy the FGers).

But sure, as long as Enda got his personal best :rolleyes: As I said though, the silver lining is that the damage that Leo's Government can do is limited (partly also because the man is more concerned about his personal profile than being effective - must be part of the FG job profile).

Whereas with Fianna Fail it is all about enriching their builder buddies.

And either bankrupting or nearly bankrupting the country with their economic “expertise”.

Not a lot of choice for us all.

Galwayguy35

FF and FG are basically 2 sides of the same coin but personally I'm still not ready so see Mickey Martin in the bosses chair after the next election seeing as he was part of the Government who brought the country to it's knees.

On topic I think Kenny is a decent enough skin.

Dr. Bre

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Great to see Enda Kenny is keeping fit and active in retirement. He was part of Bear Gryhlls sailing crew which won the Royal regatta hosted by Prince William his wife the duchess of York raising a significant sum for charity in the process.

Great to see one of arguably one of the most accomplished toaisigh in a generation adding another achievement to his already stellar record.

Hopefully there's another win for Mayo tomorrow when the men from mayo send the dubs packing.

https://www.thejournal.ie/enda-kenny-royal-regatta-4758568-Aug2019/

The Dubs always beat Mayo. Greatest losers of our generation

_Kaiser_

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Whereas with Fianna Fail it is all about enriching their builder buddies.

And either bankrupting or nearly bankrupting the country with their economic “expertise”.

Not a lot of choice for us all.

FG woild have done exactly the same during the Tiger years, possibly made it worse!

And with FG it's trying to privatise and double-charge for everything and stuff like the Sitserv contracts or the Digifone/Lowry affair, swing-gate, Dail voting shenanagans etc etc

There's not a lot of choice, but FG are no different and arguably worse. The only reason we don't see more of it historically is because they're only ever elected as a protest vote, and only until they remind us why this is and make FF electable again.

Muahahaha

So he has missed 96% of Dail votes since stepping down but he was present in the Dail for the 120 days needed to claim his 47,000 expenses. But links above show that he was in Switzerland and London on days he was supposedly in Leinster House. Given that he has an apartment about a 2 minute walk from the Dail I'd say its obvious what he's been up to - stroll in, swipe the card and stroll back out again to head off to make thousands on a speaking gig abroad, complete with taxpayer funded Gardai in tow. Im wondering he he also lumped the taxpayer with expenses for his private business?

unit 1

Given the hand he was dealt when he became taoiseach he proved himself to be one of the best in living memory, though given the other characters we had, especially from ff the competition was poor.

Lets not forget when he took over we were up the creek, with the imf in town.

When he left we wer'nt out of the woods but pretty near it, and his steady hand at the helm proved to be exactly what Ireland needed at the time.

BTW he did plenty for mayo (I mean the new n5 did'nt just appear as soon as he left because these things take years of background work) but of course irish people like to grumble.
He took over a third world country, and left one with mostly first world problems, and history will recognise that achievement.

MadYaker

He was ok but he had faults too. The current housing crisis began on his government’s watch. I know they were dealing with the recession and construction industry was in the gutter but you can’t give up building social housing for years and not have any private housing built either all the while the country’s population is steadily increasing. You don’t have to be a genius to realise that’s going to cause problems. But overall I think he did an ok job in very hard circumstances.

Snow Garden

unit 1 wrote: »

Given the hand he was dealt when he became taoiseach he proved himself to be one of the best in living memory, though given the other characters we had, especially from ff the competition was poor.

Lets not forget when he took over we were up the creek, with the imf in town.

When he left we wer'nt out of the woods but pretty near it, and his steady hand at the helm proved to be exactly what Ireland needed at the time.

That's utter utter garbage and I think you know it. Pure nonsense.

Enda Kenny got lucky and inherited a massive majority government in 2011 with no credible opposition after those FF cowboys screwed up the economy. By the way I don't remember FG telling FF to taper back any of the 'boom' budgets. In fact they encouraged the excesses.

Anyway, in 2011 Enda and FG (with the help of Labour of course) had a massive opportunity. The country was bankrupt and the public were expecting and waiting for a massive correction. The people of Ireland would have accepted major remedial/reform measures to safeguard the future. Enda had the opportunity, for example, to sort out the bloated HSE, to sort out the welfare state, to sort out the dysfunctional political system and much much more.

The 2011 rhetoric was great..."not another red cent....burn the bondholders....Frankfurts way or Labours way" etc etc

What did he do? What vision did he have? None....zero.
He continued to implement Fianna Fail economic policies to the letter. He had no balls to take on the EU. He had no ideas of his own. The economy started to recover but it was no thanks to FG, it was all down to the hard working people of Ireland. The massive overspend on the budget continued so that we now have 200 billion of national debt. That will come back to haunt us in the next downturn (2020). Basically we continued to pay excessive welfare and an excessive public sector waste/wages even though we were broke. He tried to abolish the Seanad and failed miserably. His promise to reform never happened. He oversaw a Garda force getting more and more corrupt by the day. He set up Irish Water, the most expensive quango ever seen. New Politics me arse.

I voted for FG for nearly 20 years. He was the worst leader of them all.

James Brown

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Great to see Enda Kenny is keeping fit and active in retirement. He was part of Bear Gryhlls sailing crew which won the Royal regatta hosted by Prince William his wife the duchess of York raising a significant sum for charity in the process.

Great to see one of arguably one of the most accomplished toaisigh in a generation adding another achievement to his already stellar record.

Hopefully there's another win for Mayo tomorrow when the men from mayo send the dubs packing.

https://www.thejournal.ie/enda-kenny-royal-regatta-4758568-Aug2019/

Of course he is. Life of Reilly. The biggest waster in Irish political history IMO. "Change the way we do business". What a winner, but a waster politically.
He took a once in the history of the state opportunity to reshape Irish politics and 'the way we do business' and was the usual greedy chancer we are all too use to. Between himself and Leo they succeeded in making Fianna Fail a viable alternative again, more quickly but at least, showed themselves up for what they are, wasters and con artists.

McMurphy

Love the headline.


Enda Kenny. On a Dublin Bike. In a vintage Mayo tracksuit. And a backwards cap. That is all

James Brown

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Love the headline.


Enda Kenny. On a Dublin Bike. In a vintage Mayo tracksuit. And a backwards cap. That is all

You're just jealous because he's phresh.

ArchXStanton

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Good ol Sarkozy "the Irish must vote again!"

Muahahaha

Snow Garden wrote: »

The 2011 rhetoric was great..."not another red cent....burn the bondholders....Frankfurts way or Labours way" etc etc

What did he do? What vision did he have? None....zero.
He continued to implement Fianna Fail economic policies to the letter. He had no balls to take on the EU. He had no ideas of his own. The economy started to recover but it was no thanks to FG, it was all down to the hard working people of Ireland. The massive overspend on the budget continued so that we now have 200 billion of national debt. That will come back to haunt us in the next downturn (2020).

I only just took a look at the Irish debt clock this morning, it now stands at 227 billion that we owe and is rising by about 50,000 euros a minute . If the next recession is bad that debt is going to absolutely cripple us.
https://commodity.com/debt-clock/ireland/

Kenny really did miss a once in a lifetime opportunity to permanently reform our welfare, housing and health sectors. We went from having the most empty houses in Europe to having a housing crises under his leadership. That fact alone shows that he largely hadnt a clue what he was doing.

PostWoke

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Great to see one of arguably one of the most accomplished toaisigh[/url]

What's a toaisigh, is it a crappier version of a taoiseach? Because he sure was a bit milquetoast no?

Odyssey 2005

unit 1 wrote: »

Given the hand he was dealt when he became taoiseach he proved himself to be one of the best in living memory, though given the other characters we had, especially from ff the competition was poor.

Lets not forget when he took over we were up the creek, with the imf in town.

When he left we wer'nt out of the woods but pretty near it, and his steady hand at the helm proved to be exactly what Ireland needed at the time.

BTW he did plenty for mayo (I mean the new n5 did'nt just appear as soon as he left because these things take years of background work) but of course irish people like to grumble.
He took over a third world country, and left one with mostly first world problems, and history will recognise that achievement.

Let us also not forget that he knew exactly what he was getting into. The countries books were opened for him to see before the election.

James Brown

unit 1 wrote: »

Given the hand he was dealt when he became taoiseach he proved himself to be one of the best in living memory, though given the other characters we had, especially from ff the competition was poor.

Lets not forget when he took over we were up the creek, with the imf in town.

When he left we wer'nt out of the woods but pretty near it, and his steady hand at the helm proved to be exactly what Ireland needed at the time.

BTW he did plenty for mayo (I mean the new n5 did'nt just appear as soon as he left because these things take years of background work) but of course irish people like to grumble.
He took over a third world country, and left one with mostly first world problems, and history will recognise that achievement.

I feel like puking.
He took a loan arrangement set up by his bed fellows in Fianna Fail and set in motion the biggest housing crisis we've ever had and more children homeless than ever before.
A teller of tall tales and a waster.

JohnnyFlash

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I feel like puking.
He took a loan arrangement set up by his bed fellows in Fianna Fail and set in motion the biggest housing crisis we've ever had and more children homeless than ever before.
A teller of tall tales and a waster.

It was austerity/recession, Matthew. What would you have done differently? Back of a fag packet ideas now? Gone after the pensions or the social welfare and started a capital programme to build a load more houses after we had had a bubble based on selling houses to each other??

Genuinely interested in what you think should have been done different?

James Brown

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It was austerity/recession, Matthew. What would you have done differently? Back of a fag packet ideas now? Gone after the pensions or the social welfare and started a capital programme to build a load more houses after we had had a bubble based on selling houses to each other??

Genuinely interested in what you think should have been done different?

No Irish Water. No metering Siteserv sweet deal. No clinic where ever Reilly wanted them. No asking the construction industry what they thought about fixing the housing crisis. No lies about phantom phone calls telling him how great things were. No man with two pints or Garda at ATM sh*te.

You peddle the where would we get the money thing. We can get the money when it suits. Look at IW and the children's hospital.

What would I have done? Everything Kenny got elected under: No more quangos. Change the way we do business. Try end the scandal of hospital trolleys and so on.
He broke records and Leo is still breaking records on hospital trolly numbers, homeless children and the housing crisis. The man is a charlatan and a waster. Like Leo, if he sat on his hands and did nothing we'd be better off.

unit 1

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It was austerity/recession, Matthew. What would you have done differently? Back of a fag packet ideas now? Gone after the pensions or the social welfare and started a capital programme to build a load more houses after we had had a bubble based on selling houses to each other??

Genuinely interested in what you think should have been done different?

And this is exactly what I mean about irish people liking to grumble.

Many of those who bemoan our first world (mostly) problems are brexit like in their ideas that there was always another easier way if only those idiot politicians (eg enda kenny) would not take any money off the poor, children, workers, social welfare recipients, and instead take it off those nasty banks, developers, millionaires, yada yada yada.

The government can only take money off those who have it, and reduce debt by giving less to its dependants and no amount of keyboard social justice will change that fact.

James Brown

unit 1 wrote: »

And this is exactly what I mean about irish people liking to grumble.

Many of those who bemoan our first world (mostly) problems are brexit like in their ideas that there was always another easier way if only those idiot politicians (eg enda kenny) would not take any money off the poor, children, workers, social welfare recipients, and instead take it off those nasty banks, developers, millionaires, yada yada yada.

The government can only take money off those who have it, and reduce debt by giving less to its dependants and no amount of keyboard social justice will change that fact.

So if we've legitimate issues you just want to write them off?
Is more children homeless than ever before akin to poor broadband reception, (first world problem)?

Reduce debt by giving less to people made more dependent on the state by gross incompetence and mismanagement? Sounds like a winner. Worked out so well so far

Do you think cutting pensions or dole will solve anything? It's bad policy that's the issue and Kenny being an all round ball bag. As big Jim in corrie use to say 'catch yourself on' :rolleyes:

mikeym

"Enda Kenny Not A Penny"
(Irish water protest chant)

lola85

Matt Barrett wrote: »

So if we've legitimate issues you just want to write them off?
Is more children homeless than ever before akin to poor broadband reception, (first world problem)?

Reduce debt by giving less to people made more dependent on the state by gross incompetence and mismanagement? Sounds like a winner. Worked out so well so far

Do you think cutting pensions or dole will solve anything? It's bad policy that's the issue and Kenny being an all round ball bag. As big Jim in corrie use to say 'catch yourself on' :rolleyes:

I really don’t blame Enda Kenny for Margaret Cash and her 7 kids she can’t afford to house seems her and her partner don’t work.

At some point there has to be a certain amount of personal responsibility.

But I do agree the housing crisis isn’t been taken seriously enough.

James Brown

lola85 wrote: »

I really don’t blame Enda Kenny for Margaret Cash and her 7 kids she can’t afford to house seems her and her partner don’t work.

At some point there has to be a certain amount of personal responsibility.

But I do agree the housing crisis isn’t been taken seriously enough.

Not at some point. You make it sound like many take it handy and when some go too far the party needs to be stopped. That's nonsense. For every Margret Cash there's a Maria Bailey. For one chancer we get her mush thrown up anytime we talk about government incompetence in numerous threads, for the other, Bailey, we get the thread closed because trolls... something... legal something something.
Everyone in every walk is only capable of taking as much advantage as the system allows them too and no more. People aren't perfect. They need policing.
Margaret Cash and others have zero responsibility for government policy.
Instead of trying to make cuts on state dependents how about we work towards less state dependents?
Kenny and Varadkar are cool with the housing crisis. It keeps pals in profit. Why do I think that? They aren't idiots and they've sat by while it worsened so it must be working the way they like otherwise they'd change the way we do business, to tackle it.

Wanderer78

Matt Barrett wrote:

Not at some point. You make it sound like many take it handy and when some go too far the party needs to be stopped. That's nonsense. For every Margret Cash there's a Maria Bailey. For one chancer we get her mush thrown up anytime we talk about government incompetence in numerous threads, for the other, Bailey, we get the thread closed because trolls... something... legal something something. Everyone in every walk is only capable of taking as much advantage as the system allows them too and no more. People aren't perfect. They need policing. Margaret Cash and others have zero responsibility for government policy. Instead of trying to make cuts on state dependents how about we work towards less state dependents? Kenny and Varadkar are cool with the housing crisis. It keeps pals in profit.

Not only do we need protection from political ideologies, that operate within our political institutions, we also need protection from external forces that undermine our critical of needs, particularly things such as housing

Snow Garden

Muahahaha wrote: »

I only just took a look at the Irish debt clock this morning, it now stands at 227 billion that we owe and is rising by about 50,000 euros a minute . If the next recession is bad that debt is going to absolutely cripple us.
https://commodity.com/debt-clock/ireland/

Kenny really did miss a once in a lifetime opportunity to permanently reform our welfare, housing and health sectors. We went from having the most empty houses in Europe to having a housing crises under his leadership. That fact alone shows that he largely hadnt a clue what he was doing.

Absolutely a once in a lifetime opportunity. Rare does a country get that opportunity. FG completely blew it.

ToddyDoody

Muahahaha wrote: »

I only just took a look at the Irish debt clock this morning, it now stands at 227 billion that we owe and is rising by about 50,000 euros a minute . If the next recession is bad that debt is going to absolutely cripple us.
https://commodity.com/debt-clock/ireland/

But you can thank your lucky stars we don't live in Paraguay.

PostWoke

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Do you think cutting pensions or dole will solve anything?

Work orders for payment are the only thing that'll sort people like Ca$$$h.

ToddyDoody wrote: »

But you can thank your lucky stars we don't live in Paraguay.

No idea what use whataboutisms are.

James Brown

PostWoke wrote: »

Work orders for payment are the only thing that'll sort people like Ca$$$h.
...

Cap child support at two kids. Either way, it's policies that are the problem not chancers using the system. It's the system, how it's ran and who designs it.