Modern technology which is shït.

Ubbquittious

Zelda Flabby Manicure wrote: »

Urban legends



Not only do I not care about apps knowing my location I want many of them to know it. I regularly post my location on FB, I want to open Apple/google maps and it to know my location instantly, I want weather apps to know my location, I want find my iPhone to know the location of all my Apple devices, if using IFTTT with smart devices it can do stuff based on your location (for example turn on lights automatically as you approach home) etc etc.



Trying to compare location services on devices to “human rights” is just an impossible leap, honestly it’s even beyond tin foil hat level.

I remember a lad telling me about ECHELON, GCHQ and the NSA spying on ordinary people around 2002. Also remember telling the odd few people who thought it was tinfoil hat stuff until snowden came out. That is only the stuff they havn't managed to keep under wraps. There is probably more severe stuff that they managed to keep concealed.


Also private companies might have a privacy policy and some other things printed onto a bogroll that they take no notice of but really there's 100s of people who can and do log into your stuff. Amazon is even known to be handing data to law enforcement.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Luciana Obnoxious Composer wrote: »

Add to the mix 5G+ connections, and Wave2/3 of auto. Essentially every object from your fridge, kettle, streetlight, car and front door will know what you're doing.

There is really no need for most of that. A connected fridge or kettle is of no use. The door won’t have a sensor (the doorbell might). The car, yeh, we’ve had that for 5 years. Streetlights? They may become motion aware but that’s it.

This is a problem with extrapolation of technology trends. Sometimes you hit a brick wall. Also connectivity is easier if it’s something easily replaceable - A light bulb rather than a fridge or the wiring in your house. The low hanging fruit is nearly over.

Musk also preached the dangers of AI, all while aiming to launch Starlink, a plan to surround Earth with 12,000 high-speed internet satellites.

AI is always a threat.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I remember a lad telling me about ECHELON, GCHQ and the NSA spying on ordinary people around 2002. Also remember telling the odd few people who thought it was tinfoil hat stuff until snowden came out. That is only the stuff they havn't managed to keep under wraps .

By and large they are monitoring public forums (like perhaps this one but mostly twitter and FB) for keywords etc. It would be expected that an intelligence service would do that.

alta stare

Zelda Flabby Manicure wrote: »

What “interference” are you afraid off? These devices are heavily secured out of the box, don’t know where the scaremongering is coming from.

Heavily secured if you believe that then you'd believe anything.

I like you dont care about them knowing my location, knowing my browsing habits, knowing what fu(ked up porn i watch......but im not naive enough to think these devices are secure. It isnt scaremongering.

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Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

AI is always a threat. In the future.

Now^ (and in the future), and there will be no brick wall with it, it's not regressive, by it's very nature. We're only at early wave1. Past 2050 and wave3, it's likely an omnipresent superintelligence will evolve that makes humans largely redundant.

^ Currently automation/ai is replacing unskilled workers, this will increase as soon as price points become practical.
Any 'new' (skilled) work created, won't balance the losses, and generally will only be for the very brightest and highest educated.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

alta stare wrote: »

Heavily secured if you believe that then you'd believe anything.

I like you dont care about them knowing my location, knowing my browsing habits, knowing what fu(ked up porn i watch......but im not naive enough to think these devices are secure. It isnt scaremongering.

They are secure in themselves, which means that without a password or fingerprint the devices and file systems are encrypted.

The information on the other end and how it is stored is dependent on the company. That’s what most people worry about.

The transmission is encrypted over HTTPS which means it’s mostly safe but there could be a man in the middle attack, best to do banking at home.

alta stare

alta stare wrote: »

Heavily secured if you believe that then you'd believe anything.

I like you dont care about them knowing my location, knowing my browsing habits, knowing what fu(ked up porn i watch......but im not naive enough to think these devices are secure. It isnt scaremongering.

Why do you think they aren’t secure and what exactly are you afraid of happening?

It’s definite scaremongering.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Luciana Obnoxious Composer wrote: »

Now^ (and in the future), and there will be no brick wall with it, it's not regressive, by it's very nature. We're only at early wave1. Past 2050 and wave3, it's likely an omnipresent superintelligence will evolve that makes humans largely redundant.

We’ve been hearing that for 40 years. Given the hardware slowdown my bet is in 2050 computers will be slightly more useful that now.

^ Currently automation/ai is replacing unskilled workers, this will increase as soon as price points become practical.
Any 'new' (skilled) work created, won't balance the losses, and generally will only be for the very brightest and highest educated.

Automation has been doing that for 100 years or more. There were robots in factories generations ago.

As to how this scales to more skilful work its unclear to say the least.

mfceiling

mrcheez wrote: »

Hate to tell you this, but that tin foil hat won't keep you very warm when your automated heating system ceases to work because it's no longer connected.

Yeah....Bro in law put in a bells and whistles heating system. Works from your phone, fully automated blah blah blah. Until it stopped working and his plumber couldn't figure it out. They had to get an engineer from the company to come out and reset everything....Wifi settings, app settings the works!! Sure he only was cold for 2 nights with no hot water!!

alta stare

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

They are secure in themselves, which means that without a password or fingerprint the devices and file systems are encrypted.

The information on the other end and how it is stored is dependent on the company. That’s what most people worry about.

The transmission is encrypted over HTTPS which means it’s mostly safe but there could be a man in the middle attack, best to do banking at home.

Many IOT devices get left with default settings enabled by an end user who has no clue in how to make themselves a little bit more secure....then yes of course we have the companies and hackers who wish to abuse and attack our data. IOT can be good and it can be bad. It is up to the end user to make it tougher for those who want to get in.

alta stare

Zelda Flabby Manicure wrote: »

Why do you think they aren’t secure and what exactly are you afraid of happening?

It’s definite scaremongering.

Mostly through peoples own ignorance.

Well for instance a potential hacker has a chance to get in a back door via an iot device and steal bank details etc etc.

Look at those many cameras across the world which have been compromised....many being iot devices. It does happen so no its isnt scaremongering.

faceman

Anything that is considered “software as a service” should be burned at the stake. B@stards.

Cars that have accompanying apps. FFS.

Home printers. Seriously. A cash cow of ink cartridges. Especially anything that has the letters H and P on it.

House alarms. I’ve never seen anyone react with a worried look when a house alarm has gone off.

Massage chairs. LOL

Android devices and phones. About as much privacy as a toilet in a greenhouse

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Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

We’ve been hearing that for 40 years. Given the hardware slowdown my bet is in 2050 computers will be slightly more useful that now.
Automation has been doing that for 100 years or more. There were robots in factories generations ago.
As to how this scales to more skilful work its unclear to say the least.

As with anything it only takes a single 'quantum' leap in technology to speed things up in a globalised world.
Automation 100yrs ago was dumb, very dumb. The coming several waves will not be old fixed (or even programmable:reactive) machines with limited memory using floods of basic algorithms.

It's not called 'the 4th Industrial Rev' for nothing.

2020's Will see demonstrations of theory of mind, flexible tasking and self-awareness. This 2rd wave is human task merging (augmentation). then mid 2030s a 3rd wave: true 'autonomy tsunami'. I.e. No real need for humans.
https://www.pwc.co.uk/services/economics-policy/insights/the-impact-of-automation-on-jobs.html

Technology is useful and has gains, but it comes with a human cost of sorts.
Also China will likely 'own' the future (they already own much of 5G&AI), as they have invested the most in this area and are developing the quickest.

EmmetSpiceland

Ah yes, when we hit “The Singularity” in the next twenty years and end up sowing our consciousness into “space-time” itself and super high tech robots go around the earth in flying cars.

Just around the corner, honestly.

Technocentral

Virgin TV boxes, awful dated interface and prone to pauses.

JohnnyFlash

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Ah yes, when we hit “The Singularity” in the next twenty years and end up sowing our consciousness into “space-time” itself and super high tech robots go around the earth in flying cars.

Just around the corner, honestly.

I’d say a lot of the lads around here are hoping for general AI and cyborgs etc so they can have a relationship with an artificial woman who shares their love of roll playing boardgames, manga, and computer games.

alta stare

faceman wrote: »

Anything that is considered “software as a service” should be burned at the stake. B@stards.

Cars that have accompanying apps. FFS.

Home printers. Seriously. A cash cow of ink cartridges. Especially anything that has the letters H and P on it.

House alarms. I’ve never seen anyone react with a worried look when a house alarm has gone off.

Massage chairs. LOL

Android devices and phones. About as much privacy as a toilet in a greenhouse

True

Apps in cars......google maps is the only app id like in my car.

Iv a home printer....handy and convenient. Its wireless an all...really handy.....dont use it much though.

House alarms.....a good deterrent and peace of mind for the end user....i work in that industry so i see its benefits.

Massage chair...... Yeah don't see the need or purpose.

I like my android phone and i sync all my connected devices...... Handy. Its a compromise im willing to take seen as iv nothing to hide anyway.....i am conscience of what i do online and what i interact with. I dont leave myself wide open to being scammed or what not and i know what devices i have connected to the outside world.

Ubbquittious

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I’d say a lot of the lads around here are hoping for general AI and cyborgs etc so they can have a relationship with an artificial woman who shares their love of roll playing boardgames, manga, and computer games.

Laziness and selfishness is the great motivator for most of these things alright

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EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Ah yes, when we hit “The Singularity” in the next twenty years and end up sowing our consciousness into “space-time” itself and super high tech robots go around the earth in flying cars. Just around the corner, honestly.

Nothing to do with 'space-time' (wtf?).

Anyway W3 autonomy really starts mid-2030s.

Flying cars, maybe (can't see the need). Self-driving cars/trucks very probably, on motorways anyway.

One POTUS(2020) candidate is actully running his campaign on factors related directly - to this great 4th Industrial Reveloution.

Capt'n Midnight

It's got to the stage where companies are adding a mic and not telling anyone.

Users can't disable it if they don't know about it

Google Calls Hidden Microphone in Its Nest Home Security Devices an 'Error'

SCOOP 64

Zelda Flabby Manicure wrote: »

Wired headphones are a thing of the past for me for quite a while already and will soon be for everyone. Bluetooth all the way, couldn’t be dealing with wires.

ah, bluetooth can be another pain in the asre, " as it connected to yours" ,"no", "see if it will connect to my one, o' it has, will play my play list then",
" O' F.... off!.

lmimmfn

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I’d say a lot of the lads around here are hoping for general AI and cyborgs etc so they can have a relationship with an artificial woman who shares their love of roll playing boardgames, manga, and soccer.

Fixed that for ya.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Luciana Obnoxious Composer wrote: »

As with anything it only takes a single 'quantum' leap in technology to speed things up in a globalised world.

Unless you know what that leap is its entirely speculative. Lots of cliches here though: globalised world, quantum leap.

Automation 100yrs ago was dumb, very dumb. The coming several waves will not be old fixed (or even programmable:reactive) machines with limited memory using floods of basic algorithms.

The coming waves is also speculative and another cliche. Industrial robots don’t need to be that smart, they do need to be precisely engineered which they have been for years.

It's not called 'the 4th Industrial Rev' for nothing.

That’s another cliche and one used for years.

2020's Will see demonstrations of theory of mind, flexible tasking and self-awareness.

Computers are nowhere near becoming self aware and certainly not in the next ten years. A theory of mind isn’t a software problem, it’s a philosophical and perhaps biological one. The problem of consciousness is not being worked in because we don’t really understand it.

Technology is useful and has gains, but it comes with a human cost of sorts.
Also China will likely 'own' the future (they already own much of 5G&AI), as they have invested the most in this area and are developing the quickest.

China will own the future alright.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Ah yes, when we hit “The Singularity” in the next twenty years and end up sowing our consciousness into “space-time” itself and super high tech robots go around the earth in flying cars.

Just around the corner, honestly.

2020s he said. So next year we’ll start to see the self awareness. Alexa will get sassy to begin with - “answer your own damn questions” and “sorry. I’m busy here. Having a nap”.

Then - skynet.

EmmetSpiceland

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

2020s he said. So next year we’ll start to see the self awareness. Alexa will get sassy to begin with - “answer your own damn questions” and “sorry. I’m busy here. Having a nap”.

Then - skynet.

Robots thirsty for human blood to power their “engines of war”.

lmimmfn

When Alexa becomes self aware will she/they identify as speaker/mic or appliance fluid?

AndrewJRenko

It's interesting to see how many of the complaints are down to poor interfaces rather than poor technology. The whole UX thing is gaining traction on web and mobile, but really isn't being taken seriously by device manufacturers. They need to wake up and smell the coffee.

wish shopping app:. I don't want to buy any sh|t as shown in the adds for the same app.

Freenow app: no thanks.

eBay: Most elegant "Shop Window" for modern day "Minder"

Charlie19

Technocentral wrote: »

Virgin TV boxes, awful dated interface and prone to pauses.

Combine that with the rte player and I think the old hammer could come out from the shed.

CoBo55

bluewolf wrote: »

It's great telling the echo to turn off the lights when snug in bed. Don't wanna get back out!
100% pro automation laziness, plenty else to be doing

Try a bedside lamp...