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Gang attack Garda in Drogheda

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    #662
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Well what is the lefts position on it then, do you know?


    Abusing kids is unacceptable.


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    #663
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    MrFresh wrote: »
    What's with all the people who think you need to beat a child to teach them about respect or authority?

    You don’t need to beat them.
    What’s gone wrong is that we have stopped making sure that even quite small children must suffer some consequences if they willfully make a bad choice.
    Children are hard wired to expect and need discipline.
    When they don’t get it it causes chaos for them.


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    #664
    Scotty #
    Registered Users Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I know one of the children that was stabbed, he was afraid to leave his house for months. It was the gang from Balbriggan.


    `An eye witness who saw the carnage said "their accents were definitely from north county Dublin." - you also believed your young children were going to a supervised event and weren't arsed taking two minutes to check it out. Perhaps believe less and try to get facts, eh?
    LOL, sure most of Drogheda has north Dublin accents, myself included. The chap arrested and mentioned several times in this thread is from Dundalk.


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    #665
    weldoninhio
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    Scotty # wrote: »
    LOL, sure most of Drogheda has north Dublin accents, myself included. The chap arrested and mentioned several times in this thread is from Dundalk.

    The mental gymnastics is impressive. :rolleyes:


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    #666
    Ash.J.Williams
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    we can all sleep easy these days with the sheer number of low post count usernames protecting us from fordiners...


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    #667
    dont bother
    Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    Scotty # wrote: »
    You absolutely live in a bubble. You've shown time and time again how utterly terrified you are of black people and how you regard them as 'pondlife'. The fact of the matter is they have not brought anything to society that was not already here. Stabbings, gang culture, community rivalries, they were all here long before black people arrived. I went to secondary school in Balbriggan on the 80's. It was just as rough back then as it is now. I know you don't want to believe that because you want to blame all your troubles on the black man, but it's true.


    the perpetrators of the vicious assault on a Police officer in this case being discussed were black.

    you are attributing phrases that were said like "pondlife" to the poster saying that they mean all black people? that is not true. the poster is clearly calling the perpetrator of these violent actions pondlife.

    you are trying to make out that they said "all black people" when that is not the case at all.

    these young criminals ARE pondlife, they are scum etc. they are also, in this instance Black.

    what is the problem with that? if they were white, they would similarly be described as "Pondlife".

    this is a new thing with these gangs. they are nothing like the gangs of before. they are organised, extremely violent and when they come from a place that does not value human life, then it's a recipe for disaster.

    they are also of a hive mind and mostly believe that ALL white people are racist. they wish to strike before being struck, even if they wouldnt have been struck in the first place.

    a lot of these people have deluded themselves into believing in this imported American ideology of there being some sort of a racial divide in this country, when in fact there is nothing of the sort.

    it must be something to do with their upbringing, or backgrounds, because as many have pointed out - there are MANY other cultures, colours, races, genders etc in this country and the only one that seems to stand out a lot more often with violent crimes etc are these Black Teenage Gangs.

    why is that?

    it certainly is not racist to point that out.

    i personally think that the people who mis-label others as racist are actually worse than a racist themselves.


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    #668
    splinter65
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    MrFresh wrote: »
    Abusing kids is unacceptable.

    Well obviously, but what protections do the left propose to put in place to :
    A. prevent the Sth Asian gangs from continuing to abuse these children
    B. Ensure that the authorities take complaints from vulnerable children about Sth Asian grooming gangs seriously in future
    and
    C. how should vulnerable children be educated to avoid becoming victims in the future?


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    #669
    MrFresh
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    Well obviously, but what protections do the left propose to put in place to :
    A. prevent the Sth Asian gangs from continuing to abuse these children
    B. Ensure that the authorities take complaints from vulnerable children about Sth Asian grooming gangs seriously in future
    and
    C. how should vulnerable children be educated to avoid becoming victims in the future?


    People have different ideas on how to safeguard children. Generally, though, people on the left don't see it as an issue that should have anything to do with race or nationality. Any measures taken should be effective across the board.


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    #670
    MrFresh
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    dont bother wrote: »

    what is the problem with that? if they were white, they would similarly be described as "Pondlife".


    Right, but their skin colour wouldn't even be mentioned.


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    #671
    Scotty #
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    dont bother wrote: »
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    what is the problem with that? if they were white, they would similarly be described as "Pondlife".

    ...
    If they were white this thread wound't have started and weldoninhio wouldn't be here. Don't kid yourself!

    There's been 9 houses burnt out in Drogheda in recent months, countless others damaged. Stabbings, shootings, cars destroyed, innocent people attacked... and all by the local low life's feuding. It's not gotten half the outrage from weldoninhio & co as a couple of black kids getting out of line in what was nothing more than a scuffle that lasted less than 5 minutes. They're like flies to shíte at any opportunity to preach their views.


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    #672
    dont bother
    Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Right, but their skin colour wouldn't even be mentioned.

    did i miss a memo, are we not allowed to say "BLACK" anymore?

    the people who did it were black. they are part of a Black Gang.

    the reason so many people get riled up about the mention of skin colour is because people are made to feel like they can't even say the word "Black" any more, let alone anything else about their race.

    and yes, it would be mentioned .

    for examnple - every single time i watch "crimecall" on rte - when they do the CCTV segment - if the perp is a white person they make a point of saying "a white male, 5 11" etc

    any time it is a black or dark skinned person. they dont even allude to that fact.

    they point it out every time it's a white perp though.

    so your thinking is flawed. it's one sided and you wont win any points for making the divide even bigger.

    you can not and have no right to give out to people for describing what they see.

    what they saw was black teenagers stamping on a white garda's head.
    it's no better or worse than if it was a black garda being stamped on by a white gang - but some people would try and make you believe that one is more racist than the other.

    you are a fool if you believe in stopping people from being able to say it as they see it. it is still not racist.

    i could say something like "that black gang are all scumbags" - its not racist.
    why not? because the facts are all true. the gang are scum, and they are black. that is not racist just because it's pointing out the FACTS of a situation.


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    #673
    dont bother
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    Scotty # wrote: »
    If they were white this thread wound't have started and weldoninhio wouldn't be here. Don't kid yourself!

    There's been 9 houses burnt out in Drogheda in recent months, countless others damaged. Stabbings, shootings, cars destroyed, innocent people attacked... and all by the local low life's feuding. It's not gotten half the outrage from weldoninhio & co as a couple of black kids getting out of line in what was nothing more than a scuffle that lasted less than 5 minutes. They're like flies to shíte at any opportunity to preach their views.

    so you believe that a member of our Police force having their head stamped into the ground is a "scuffle"?

    shows what you're made of .

    and - eh - those threads DID get started and as you just said, all of that is happening in Drogheda - and most of which is caused by the same black gangs. so you're hardly helping your point there by pointing it out again?

    the thread could have been started by anyone - it just so happens that you seem to have the belief that Weldonhino is racist and only wants to point out these facts BECAUSE they are black.

    why shut down the discussion, it's not racist to say that they were black, and that BLACK GANGS ARE CAUSING havok in these areas. it;'s a well known fact.

    just because you think it's racist to discuss, doesnt make it so.

    the fact here is, in this case, which is what we are discussing on this thread - the fact is BLACK people in a gang caused this. they are also the reason the thread exists. that is still not racist to point out.

    nobody here is going around syaing things like "hang all n*!ggers from the trees and burn them"

    wtf!!?


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    #674
    MrFresh
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    dont bother wrote: »
    did i miss a memo, are we not allowed to say "BLACK" anymore?


    Nope, there's just no need for it.


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    #675
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Nope, there's just no need for it.

    I think he put his argument/point across quite well actually and has many valid points


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    #676
    dont bother
    Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Nope, there's just no need for it.

    so please enlighten me and explain how people are supposed to describe the physicality of perpetrators of crimes then????

    and it does matter - as it describes the gang, and shows that it's more than a gang, it's a racist gang that have targeted the white people of the town they have taken over and run amok in. it's racist.

    the black gang are the racists. they actively carry out violent crimes against white people - because they are white.

    and we cant even describe them as "Black"?

    BLACK
    BLACK
    BLACK.

    it's a word ffs. you'd swear it was the N word for chrst sake!


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    #677
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    dont bother wrote: »
    so please enlighten me and explain how people are supposed to describe the physicality of perpetrators of crimes then????

    and it does matter - as it describes the gang, and shows that it's more than a gang, it's a racist gang that have targeted the white people of the town they have taken over and run amok in. it's racist.

    the black gang are the racists. they actively carry out violent crimes against white people - because they are white.

    and we cant even describe them as "Black"?

    BLACK
    BLACK
    BLACK.

    it's a word ffs. you'd swear it was the N word for chrst sake!

    Why waste your time.


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    #678
    dont bother
    Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    Why waste your time.

    you're right.

    to be honest, there's no arguing with stupid


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    #679
    Calhoun
    Registered Users Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    It's the vicious circle, certain ethnic groups put into areas and they cannot integrate, the policing does nothing and the problem gets bigger, people start making noises about it and get shut down, finally the police force is then too afraid to do anything for fear of seeming racist.

    Then it escalated in terms of sentiment and as when people are shut down the rail against it. Skin color/ethnicity will matter until the powers at be are seen to do their job.


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    #680
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    If they are white, they are white, black they are black etc etc, the sooner we can be open about skin colour without being racist this in turn will help with integration to the wider society

    I thought the point on previous page about the crimecall scenario was excellent


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    #681
    Gatling
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    MrFresh wrote: »
    People have different ideas on how to safeguard children.

    Any measures taken should be effective across the board.


    How do we Safe guard people from the imported wannabe bloods or crips exactly .

    There has been next to nothing from yourself other than tusla and community policing .
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    #682
    Calhoun
    Registered Users Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    If they are white, they are white, black they are black etc etc, the sooner we can be open about skin colour without being racist this in turn will help with integration to the wider society

    I thought the point on previous page about the crimecall scenario was excellent

    The other side you need to accept is people have different views on this some of them entrenched and they would love for you to get a banning. So don't rise to it, just accept you would ever change their mind which is also fine.

    Like one of the people your arguing with is from across the water and their own country is a mess with all this race crap.


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    #683
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    I think he put his argument/point across quite well actually and has many valid points


    Not really. he's explained why he wants to describe them as black but not why it is necessary. Th point I made was that if this was a gang of white kids that had attacked the Gardaí then there would be no mention of race in the thread because their race is irrelevant to the crime.


    dont bother wrote: »
    so please enlighten me and explain how people are supposed to describe the physicality of perpetrators of crimes then????

    and it does matter - as it describes the gang, and shows that it's more than a gang, it's a racist gang that have targeted the white people of the town they have taken over and run amok in. it's racist.

    the black gang are the racists. they actively carry out violent crimes against white people - because they are white.

    and we cant even describe them as "Black"?

    BLACK
    BLACK
    BLACK.

    it's a word ffs. you'd swear it was the N word for chrst sake!


    But why do you feel the need to point out their race at all? You wouldn't do it if it was a gang of white kids.

    Gatling wrote: »
    How do we Safe guard people from the imported wannabe bloods or crips exactly .

    There has been next to nothing from yourself other than tusla and community policing .


    Because when those kinds of things are implemented properly they work.


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    #684
    weldoninhio
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    Scotty # wrote: »
    If they were white this thread wound't have started and weldoninhio wouldn't be here. Don't kid yourself!

    There's been 9 houses burnt out in Drogheda in recent months, countless others damaged. Stabbings, shootings, cars destroyed, innocent people attacked... and all by the local low life's feuding. It's not gotten half the outrage from weldoninhio & co as a couple of black kids getting out of line in what was nothing more than a scuffle that lasted less than 5 minutes. They're like flies to sh at any opportunity to preach their views.

    That's because its scum on scum. Let them wipe each other out.


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    #685
    Scotty #
    Registered Users Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    dont bother wrote: »
    so you believe that a member of our Police force having their head stamped into the ground is a "scuffle"?
    It was a scuffle. Nothing more. The guard did not have is head 'stamped in the ground' as you put it. A young girl did swing a kick at him but he certainly did not have his head stamped into the ground. The Gardai themselves described it as a minor incident.
    dont bother wrote: »
    all of that is happening in Drogheda - and most of which is caused by the same black gangs.
    You think gangs of black kids are responsible for the ongoing feud in Drogheda? I genuinely lol'd at this. Do you and weldoninhio share a bubble or have you one each?


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    #686
    Scotty #
    Registered Users Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    That's because its scum on scum. Let them wipe each other out.
    And all the innocents that have been caught in the cross fire??


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    #687
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 21,056 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Right, but their skin colour wouldn't even be mentioned.

    only if you're a racist


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    #688
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Scotty # wrote: »
    And all the innocents that have been caught in the cross fire??

    Should be looked after by the full weight of the law coming down on the perpetrators. Anything else you'd like to deflect onto??


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    #689
    Scotty #
    Registered Users Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Anything else you'd like to deflect onto??
    Has this thread not got to do with crime in Drogheda? Ahh sorry, we diverted from berating black people for a minute. We'll get back to it soon and you can feel right at home again.


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    #690
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    MrFresh wrote: »
    People have different ideas on how to safeguard children. Generally, though, people on the left don't see it as an issue that should have anything to do with race or nationality. Any measures taken should be effective across the board.

    I’m absolutely 100% sure that if dozens of gangs of white Christian men had groomed targeted and raped and abused 1000s of Asian girls that there would be plenty of hysteria from the left about race and nationality.
    The hypocrisy stinks.


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    #691
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    splinter65 wrote: »
    I’m absolutely 100% sure that if dozens of gangs of white Christian men had groomed targeted and raped and abused 1000s of Asian girls that there would be plenty of hysteria from the left about race and nationality.


    Most likely, because that would indicate a minority being targeted based on their race. But there would not be a witch hunt for white men with a similar background to the perpetrators.


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