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Water John wrote: »

A lot of the Extra Virgin Olive oil hasn't been a virgin for a long time.

The waste from olive oil processing is a major hazard.
It's something like 80% is waste.

It's a thing that's just not talked about. By the authorities nor the people in the regions. For it would be against the people and against your country.

It's usually dumped on land or into waterways.

And there's a few boardsie's heard that also from the horse's mouth..

Smegging hell

Danzy wrote: »

Lots of Americans, especially the bottom half of society have had it better the last few years than in decades.

There are a lot of people in the modern Democratic party that are far more radical and intolerant than Justin Boyd Barrett and Americans have a right to be fearful.

Are you mixing up Justin Barrett and Richard Boyd Barrett? Because I doubt either will be flattered. :pac:

ganmo

Say my name wrote: »

The waste from olive oil processing is a major hazard.
It's something like 80% is waste.

It's a thing that's just not talked about. By the authorities nor the people in the regions. For it would be against the people and against your country.

It's usually dumped on land or into waterways.

And there's a few boardsie's heard that also from the horse's mouth..

Not all of it
https://olivepork.ie

_Brian

Nekarsulm wrote: »

That's a very Italian solution, Gozunda!

When the Milk super levy was introduced, Italian dairy men just ignored it for a few years.
Then the EU tried to enforce it.
That didn't really work either, so the EU introduced a slaughter scheme for dairy cows, withcompensation for each cow sent to the factory from the dairy herd.
Payment was issued for each cow culled, and the proof of culling was the number of ears with the tags attached.
But a strange thing happened, despite tens of thousands of cows culled, milk delivery to the dairys was rising.

Extensive investigations revealed tens of thousands of one-eared cows milking away on Italian farms...

What about the Greeks.
Didn’t the inhabitants of an island get caught out all claiming payments for being blind including shopkeepers, farmers and even taxi drivers. Some were claiming other disabilities payments too.

Water John

_Brian wrote: »

What about the Greeks.
Didn’t the inhabitants of an island get caught out all claiming payments for being blind including shopkeepers, farmers and even taxi drivers. Some were claiming other disabilities payments too.

Houses were left unfinished in Greece so that they wouldn't have to pay property tax.

_Brian

_Brian wrote: »

What about the Greeks.
Didn’t the inhabitants of an island get caught out all claiming payments for being blind including shopkeepers, farmers and even taxi drivers. Some were claiming other disabilities payments too.

They had a property tax in Greece, which got paid on completion of the build. You'd see a lot of inhabited homes that had unfinished 3rd and 4th floors. I'm sure the two things weren't connected at all.

Water John

Water John wrote: »

Houses were left unfinished in Greece so that they wouldn't have to pay property tax.

Snap..... if I hadn't fixed typos :pac:

Water John

That's why the Greek economy was in trouble, most Greeks avoided paying tax of any sort.

ganmo

Taxes are for other people

Say my name

I see Wexford is just behind Meath on the acreage of land that's going under solar farms.

There'll be a lot of sheep required to graze underneath.
Tillage, vegetable and grassland going to Solar.

Hard Knocks

Say my name wrote: »

I see Wexford is just behind Meath on the acreage of land that's going under solar farms.

There'll be a lot of sheep required to graze underneath.
Tillage, vegetable and grassland going to Solar.

With soo much roof space available on farms, could that not be pursued first

Buford T. Justice XIX

Hard Knocks wrote: »

With soo much roof space available on farms, could that not be pursued first

There's trouble managing the load and feeding in information on what supply is being pushed into the system. Too much fed in without enough being drawn down could overload the system, iirc. Smart metering would help a good bit in that regard but it seems to be pushed down the tracks even further this year.

Say my name

Hard Knocks wrote: »

With soo much roof space available on farms, could that not be pursued first

I don't know what the motives or hindrances are but it's 1060 ha (2620 acres) of ground now in this fell swoop going to be under panels in just Meath and Wexford.

wrangler

I see Tomas Burke has got the Livestock position in IFA , He used to be a right terrier if there was an issue, hopefully he hasn't mellowed since I left

Water John

There would be a bit of differential of about 5/10% solar output because of sunshine/irridation in favour of Wexford.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Just finished tidying up a shed here.

The good news is I have 8 more bales of straw than I thought I had.

The bad news is I have 8 fewer bales of hay than I thought I had.

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Water John wrote: »

There would be a bit of differential of about 5/10% solar output because of sunshine/irridation in favour of Wexford.

And even a difference between me in north Wexford and anyone on the south coast of Wexford.

I wonder though will the land owners still receive a bps payment?
If they won't they'll be forced onto the land market to retain their payments.
That's not to say they won't be in the market anyway looking for something to occupy their free time now with full pockets.

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Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

Just finished tidying up a shed here.

The good news is I have 8 more bales of straw than I thought I had.

The bad news is I have 8 fewer bales of hay than I thought I had.

That's what you get for letting townies fill your shed..

Water John

Say my name wrote: »

And even a difference between me in north Wexford and anyone on the south coast of Wexford.

I wonder though will the land owners still receive a bps payment?
If they won't they'll be forced onto the land market to retain their payments.
That's not to say they won't be in the market anyway looking for something to occupy their free time now with full pockets.

That was an issue that came up when lease options were being initially offered. From memory, originally there was no problem. Then I think the Dept of Finance advocated a change but this was later rescinded. The land is still agricultural land TMK, hence the need to have sheep/calves on it. Solar electricity and organic meat production. Land loses about 30% of grass production due to shade.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Say my name wrote: »

That's what you get for letting townies fill your shed..

Tbf, I'd have a lot less of both if I left them empty the shed:p

Dinzee Conlee

Say my name wrote: »

And even a difference between me in north Wexford and anyone on the south coast of Wexford.

I wonder though will the land owners still receive a bps payment?
If they won't they'll be forced onto the land market to retain their payments.
That's not to say they won't be in the market anyway looking for something to occupy their free time now with full pockets.

As far as I know they don’t affect the BPS...

I don’t see why they should - if you can still graze sheep under them, that’s still farming...

Danzy

Hard Knocks wrote: »

With soo much roof space available on farms, could that not be pursued first

Entire farms will be covered. 70 acre one going up near me.

Dinzee Conlee

Danzy wrote: »

Entire farms will be covered. 70 acre one going up near me.

From what I have heard - a 70acre solar farm wouldn’t even be that big. They are looking for farms in the 100+ size of at all possible?

Would agree with Hard Knocks - why don’t they put some scheme in to put panels on shed roofs?
But as always, we want to take the easy way out

Water John

Five acres produces one MW. About 800Mw in in Phase 1. UK installed 1Gw solar last month alone.
I agree roofs should be used too at a different price point. But it would take a lot of roof space to cover five acres.
Great option for those whose land was suitably located.

Dinzee Conlee

Water John wrote: »

Five acres produces one MW. About 800Mw in in Phase 1. UK installed 1Gw solar last month alone.
I agree roofs should be used too at a different price point. But it would take a lot of roof space to cover five acres.
Great option for those whose land was suitably located.

Agree - I don’t think it should be either or...

I think there should be more micro generation possibilities supported, across all generation types - solar, wind, water...
Not just massive industrial ventures..

Waffletraktor

Hard Knocks wrote: »

With soo much roof space available on farms, could that not be pursued first

Roofs have to be too a certain weight bearing spec, about 5 years ago over here companies would re roof your sheds for free and upgrade for x years free rent. Helped alot of farms with knackered sheds string them out a while longer.

Water John

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Agree - I don’t think it should be either or...

I think there should be more micro generation possibilities supported, across all generation types - solar, wind, water...
Not just massive industrial ventures..

Absolutely agree, not a large difference in the scheme of things in terms of output but would greatly help with wider buy in from the public.

Danzy

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

From what I have heard - a 70acre solar farm wouldn’t even be that big. They are looking for farms in the 100+ size of at all possible?

Would agree with Hard Knocks - why don’t they put some scheme in to put panels on shed roofs?
But as always, we want to take the easy way out

Sheds are too small. 70 acres is a lot of sheds. 100 acres is more.

50HX

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

From what I have heard - a 70acre solar farm wouldn’t even be that big. They are looking for farms in the 100+ size of at all possible?

Would agree with Hard Knocks - why don’t they put some scheme in to put panels on shed roofs?
But as always, we want to take the easy way out

Plus they want the acerage in open tracks of land, not 100 acres in 20 fields type senario

I wonder like the forsetry would you have to re panel at your own expenses after so many years:D

gozunda

Danzy wrote: »

Sheds are too small. 70 acres is a lot of sheds. 100 acres is more.

There's big issues with transmission losses with electricity being produced in remote areas to provide for high demand elsewhere.

Makes more sense to have these solar 'farms' use brownfield sites adjacent to urban areas and unused land adjacent to major roadways.

A lot of these current developments are being driven by investment companies becauce 'green' investments are popular not necessarily that they makes sense ...