Ireland's asylum hotel monthly bill tops €3.54m

bigroad

enricoh wrote: »

Meh, a million quids worth of stuff in the container and the costs associated with getting rid of it.
Insurance will try to weasel out of paying n if they do pay the hard grafting haulier will have some Whopper of a quote next year, if he can get one. Collateral damage in the asylum industry!

There is a good chance the next insurance quote that haulier gets will sink he I or her business.

10000maniacs

Boggles wrote: »

Really, what Irish company was the freight insured with?

Why does that matter?
Do you think it was wrong for these guys to destroy property that didn't belong to them?
Both yourself and alastair's lack of morality on these issues is off the scale.

jmayo

Boggles wrote: »

Really, what Irish company was the freight insured with?

Ah yes the infantile response.
The mythical insurance industry, much like the mythical bankers will suffer the cost.

It doesn't matter if the insurance company was Irish, or from Timbuk-fooking-tu, the haulage company will probably either have to cover some or all of the costs if the insurance company has their way.
And if the insurance company has to pony up, then the haulage company will probably find it impossible to get a decent premium next year.

Either way the likelihood is someone in Ireland is going to take a major financial hit.

But we all know you and the likes of alastair in the asylum industry couldn't give two fooks about that.

10000maniacs wrote: »

alastair considers it perfectly within the law to carry out €1,000,000 of destruction on a cargo of pharmaceuticals and enter a country illegally. The mind boggles, Boggles.

Alastair works in asylum industry if I recollect correctly.
He is on the pigs back, or rather our backs, with the more customers for his industry.

The people most in favour of the asylum/migrant industry could not give two fooks about the rest of us.
They ofen get to make money all the while feeling superior about themselves and basically sticking it to the country and people they often despise.

Boggles

jmayo wrote: »

But we all know you and the likes of alastair in the asylum industry couldn't give two fooks about that.

:pac:

The old nonsense of if you disagree with me you must be a vested interest.

Must people grow out of it when they are 6 or 7.

Boggles

10000maniacs wrote: »

Why does that matter?
Do you think it was wrong for these guys to destroy property that didn't belong to them?
Both yourself and alastair's lack of morality on these issues is off the scale.

Has it actually been confirmed the property was destroyed, link?

If so by all means arrest and charge them.

Then though you would have the same ne'er-do-wells on here giving out about the cost of that.

Can't win.

ShamNNspace

From 3 days ago

10000maniacs

Boggles wrote: »

Has it actually been confirmed the property was destroyed, link?

If so by all means arrest and charge them.

Then though you would have the same ne'er-do-wells on here giving out about the cost of that.

Can't win.

You will never win with your moral stance.
And what if the pharmaceuticals were destined for life saving operations?
You don't give a fiddlers Boggles.
Here's the link.
https://extra.ie/2019/11/22/news/irish-news/sixteen-migrants-bound-for-ireland-found-when-ship-worker-heard-noises

enricoh

bigroad wrote: »

There is a good chance the next insurance quote that haulier gets will sink he I or her business.

Yup, what a contrast he will have with the support he gets from the state if the business goes belly up. To compare with the support those that were in the container get!
What a country!
A lad down the local does Continental runs, he had videos from other truckers running the gauntlet in Calais a few years ago. Driving through bonfires in the road, windscreens getting bricked, lads with machetes etc . Lovely folk!
At the same time, some do gooder eejit was doing a collection for the poor people stuck in that wartorn hellhole - calais !

bigroad

enricoh wrote: »

Yup, what a contrast he will have with the support he gets from the state if the business goes belly up. To compare with the support those that were in the container get!
What a country!
A lad down the local does Continental runs, he had videos from other truckers running the gauntlet in Calais a few years ago. Driving through bonfires in the road, windscreens getting bricked, lads with machetes etc . Lovely folk!
At the same time, some do gooder eejit was doing a collection for the poor people stuck in that wartorn hellhole - calais !

Yes maybe hauliers should stop going to the continent and then we will here the do gooders whinge that their favourite produce is not on their supermarket shelf.
They need a reality call in this country.

jay0109

Well, well, well. Our DP system is quiet good says the UN. That'll knock the wind out of a few sails


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/direct-provision-not-a-bad-system-un-migration-head-1.4095481

But it gets even better:

The number of international migrants globally reached an estimated 272 million in 2019, an increase of 50 million since 2010. Ms Veerassamy estimates the bulk of these are economic migrants; about 10 per cent are refugees.

What a coincidence...that 10% figures ties in closely with the asylum stats we've seen over the past 20 years in Ireland i.e. 90% of asylum claims are found to be false.

Someone needs to call a halt to this madness before we spend the best part of 0.5bn over the next few years on what is clearly a scam

Boggles

jay0109 wrote: »

Well, well, well. Our DP system is quiet good says the UN. That'll knock the win out of a few sails

Particularly those people in Oughterard whose main point of protest was the "inhumane" direct provision system.

jay0109

Indeed Boggles

SchrodingersCat

jay0109 wrote: »

Well, well, well. Our DP system is quiet good says the UN. That'll knock the win out of a few sails


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/direct-provision-not-a-bad-system-un-migration-head-1.4095481

But it gets even better:
The number of international migrants globally reached an estimated 272 million in 2019, an increase of 50 million since 2010. Ms Veerassamy estimates the bulk of these are economic migrants; about 10 per cent are refugees.
What a coincidence...that 10% figures ties in closely with the asylum stats we've seen over the past 20 years in Ireland i.e. 90% of asylum claims are found to be false.

Someone needs to call a halt to this madness before we spend the best part of 0.5bn over the next few years on what is clearly a scam

The UN are telling us that 90% of asylum seekers are not refugees. You are telling us that 90% of asylum applicants are rejected. That tells us that the irish refugee application system is working to the correct rejection rate.

Ms Veerassamy in your article doesnt call a halt to the DP system. She is supportive of it, and says "the Government should look at more “legal pathways” for migrants to help remove incentives for people-smuggling."

pinkyeye

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Can anyone explain why housing people in direct provision is unacceptable to some?

They are safe (not in a warzone, free from persecution), fed, warm, have a roof over their head, get a weekly allowance which they can supplement by working.

Like Jindar is a refugee from Syria, last week he was hiding under rubble as the homophobic gangs seemed to kill him, but direct provision is worse as it makes him bored?? Like wtf

What is exactly inhumane or wrong with it?

It's the length of time it takes to process people, and the time lost to appeals etc that's the problem.

That's exactly it, it's not an inhumane situation for a short period of time. But 10-15 years living in those conditions is going to destroy children.

That's why it's considered inhumane.

Wibbs

I would agree, but has anyone been in direct provision for 10-15 years? Genuine question.

SchrodingersCat

I read somewhere that the average stay was 24months,with some there for 10 to 12 years.

Wibbs

That's a big gap from two years to a decade or more. Must be something going on with someone in it for that long? It would be good to have some concrete figures.

punisher5112

It's quite worrying to be honest, we don't know who they are and what criminal background they have.....

The_Kew_Tour

jay0109 wrote: »

Well, well, well. Our DP system is quiet good says the UN. That'll knock the wind out of a few sails


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/direct-provision-not-a-bad-system-un-migration-head-1.4095481

But it gets even better:

What a coincidence...that 10% figures ties in closely with the asylum stats we've seen over the past 20 years in Ireland i.e. 90% of asylum claims are found to be false.

Someone needs to call a halt to this madness before we spend the best part of 0.5bn over the next few years on what is clearly a scam

We all have save this for the rainy days:pac:

pinkyeye

Wibbs wrote: »

I would agree, but has anyone been in direct provision for 10-15 years? Genuine question.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/1203/1014748-direct-provision/

The_Kew_Tour

I love for a way where Geniune People fleeing war could get here safe, but also be people to get ahead of chancers.

Love to here stories like this one

https://www.breakingnews.ie/discover/this-syrian-refugee-with-an-authentic-take-on-bread-making-has-opened-shop-in-cork-824637.html

I don’t really care if they are not Doctors or Engineering lads. I’m happy for people to come here to make a better life for themselves no matter what.

I know of (former) refugees who are working on a street at 5.30am every morning in a town in North Cork cleaning up mess some leave during week or weekend. Seen it with my own eyes and applaud them and hope they are happy here. (Weather this time year must be tough for them)

It’s the people who are looking for the free spin I don’t care about, and if you really do care about Humanity and care about people fleeing like so many say, you should be just as concerned about the many who are trying skip the que and will walk over these people to get ahead.

punisher5112

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I love for a way where Geniune People fleeing war could get here safe, but also be people to get ahead of chancers.

Love to here stories like this one

https://www.breakingnews.ie/discover/this-syrian-refugee-with-an-authentic-take-on-bread-making-has-opened-shop-in-cork-824637.html

I don’t really care if they are not Doctors or Engineering lads. I’m happy for people to come here to make a better life for themselves no matter what.

I know of (former) refugees who are working on a street at 5.30am every morning in a town in North Cork cleaning up mess some leave during week or weekend. Seen it with my own eyes and applaud them and hope they are happy here. (Weather this time year must be tough for them)

It’s the people who are looking for the free spin I don’t care about, and if you really do care about Humanity and care about people fleeing like so many say, you should be just as concerned about the many who are trying skip the que and will walk over these people to get ahead.

But sure Brennan's bread is halal suitable now as is many meats in our shops....

Bet you weren't aware of that and the inhumane way they slaughter to be halal suitable.....


Many Irish companies are actually signing up to this...

Why I ask as us Irish obviously don't come before foreigners it seems....

Varik

EU voted on whether to link developmental aid with migration cooperation, taking back failed asylum seekers among other thing. It lost out by 9 votes, with FG breaking ranks against their EU party the EPP to vote against it.

Keeping the money flowing to their friends in the NGOs.

Might not be dead and might get through in other ways.

EDIT:wrong graph

Yurt2

Varik wrote: »

EU voted on whether to link developmental aid with migration cooperation, taking back failed asylum seekers among other thing. It lost by 9 votes, with FG breaking ranks against their EU party the EPP to vote against it.

Keeping the money flowing to their friends in the NGOs.

Might not be dead and might get through in other ways.

Most interesting. Did any of the FG MEPs give a rationale for voting in that manner?

Are there no MEPs from Greece, Italy or some other countries? I thought grey was non voters, yellow abstain but there’s no colour against them at all.

Varik

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Are there no MEPs from Greece, Italy or some other countries? I thought grey was non voters, yellow abstain but there’s no colour against them at all.

I ****ed up, didn't notice it was just for renew.Should have noticed Germany's low number MEP. Will find proper result.

Varik

So only Billy Kelleher FF & Mairead McGuinness FG voted for requiring cooperation. Kelleher voted against his EU party & since he's the only FF member no other votes there, and McGuinness voted against the rest of FG and with her EU party.

topper75

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I love for a way where Geniune People fleeing war could get here safe, but also be people to get ahead of chancers.

Love to here stories like this one

https://www.breakingnews.ie/discover/this-syrian-refugee-with-an-authentic-take-on-bread-making-has-opened-shop-in-cork-824637.html

I don’t really care if they are not Doctors or Engineering lads. I’m happy for people to come here to make a better life for themselves no matter what.

I know of (former) refugees who are working on a street at 5.30am every morning in a town in North Cork cleaning up mess some leave during week or weekend. Seen it with my own eyes and applaud them and hope they are happy here. (Weather this time year must be tough for them)

It’s the people who are looking for the free spin I don’t care about, and if you really do care about Humanity and care about people fleeing like so many say, you should be just as concerned about the many who are trying skip the que and will walk over these people to get ahead.

In the micro-instance, I very much take your point.

On a macro basis however - there are whole continents full of people who would like this 'better life'. What is little old Ireland to do systematically?

The_Kew_Tour

topper75 wrote: »

In the micro-instance, I very much take your point.

On a macro basis however - there are whole continents full of people who would like this 'better life'. What is little old Ireland to do systematically?

That's a fair point. I understand and tend to agree in sense. Especially now that media are saying all 39 DP centres are full.

Not sure what we can do about that now its worrying for the people and for us as country responsible for looking after them.

Yet some want 3 million here......

Boggles

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

That's a fair point. I understand and tend to agree in sense. Especially now that media are saying all 39 DP centres are full.

Not sure what we can do about that now its worrying for the people and for us as country responsible for looking after them.

Yet some want 3 million here......

Who?