Ireland's asylum hotel monthly bill tops €3.54m

punisher5112

Boggles wrote: »

Who?

Leo, do-gooders etc etc....

Look at Germany, they wanted to take over the world and kill millions upon millions.

They are doing the opposite now and it isn't paying off to well.

Nermal

Boggles wrote: »

Who?

You, unless you support policies that will prevent it.

The_Kew_Tour

Boggles wrote: »

Who?

People like your one on radio last week who claim that this country had 8 million in it during famine

Somehow that justifies it now to some

Infini

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

That's a fair point. I understand and tend to agree in sense. Especially now that media are saying all 39 DP centres are full.

Not sure what we can do about that now its worrying for the people and for us as country responsible for looking after them.

Yet some want 3 million here......

Honestly we could probably start by simply not offering asylum unless they came directly from a country that's essentially a warzone. If they came in on a boat from France then back to France they go. The real problem with the whole system is how easily it is to claim asylum and have no evidence to confirm or deny ones claim and how it's so easy to take the provebial piss with it.

The_Kew_Tour

Infini wrote: »

Honestly we could probably start by simply not offering asylum unless they came directly from a country that's essentially a warzone. If they came in on a boat from France then back to France they go. The real problem with the whole system is how easily it is to claim asylum and have no evidence to confirm or deny ones claim and how it's so easy to take the provebial piss with it.

Yep 100%

Boggles

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

People like your one on radio last week who claim that this country had 8 million in it during famine

Somehow that justifies it now to some

So "your one on the radio" That's what you are basing it on?

:pac:

The_Kew_Tour

Boggles wrote: »

So "your one on the radio" That's what you are basing it on?

:pac:

Liam Cunningham reckons we could take 1 million right now and be fine.
See also some within Sinn Fein say same like a Councillor in my district at home.
It's not like its 2 million people who think this. The problem is these people seem be having a voice(which is fine they are entitled to their opinion) but these people are not being challenged by the media be it TV or Radio. If anything they seem be giving these types of people a high five.

Boggles

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Liam Cunningham reckons we could take 1 million right now and be fine.

So your one on the radio and some B-Actor who reckons 1 million not 3 as you claimed.

So absolutely no one of anything resembling significance?

I think we can file it away so.

Kivaro

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Liam Cunningham reckons we could take 1 million right now and be fine.
See also some within Sinn Fein say same like a Councillor in my district at home.
It's not like its 2 million people who think this. The problem is these people seem be having a voice(which is fine they are entitled to their opinion) but these people are not being challenged by the media be it TV or Radio. If anything they seem be giving these types of people a high five.

Don't forget that Liam Cunningham claimed on live television that there was only anecdotal evidence of the mass sexual assaults by refugees in Cologne and Hamburg on New Year's Eve 2016.

Cunningham was not challenged by RTE when he made these claims well after the events of that night. Prior to his statement, German authorities had already stated that more than 1,200 women were sexually assaulted in various German cities, including more than 600 in Cologne and about 400 in Hamburg.

From the Washington Post:

Officials have linked the sexual assaults to the influx of refugees. "There is a connection between the emergence of this phenomenon and the rapid migration in 2015

jay0109

Eamonn Ryan of the Green Party said he wants to see 10m on this island. I cannot compute as to why the Green Party would want to see more and more people except for purely political reasons.

Media onslaught continues unabated. RTE News running a week long focus on DP. This eve's report was from Mosney

olestoepoke

No distinction made between war refugees and economic refugees. Fair enough if you're in Syria or Iraq and you or your family are in immediate danger. The right thing to do is look after these people. How many are actually from war-torn countries though? when was the last war in Nigeria or Pakistan? To name a couple. I don't buy it that their lives were in danger because they wouldn't vote a certain way etc.

Patrick2010

jay0109 wrote: »

Eamonn Ryan of the Green Party said he wants to see 10m on this island. I cannot compute as to why the Green Party would want to see more and more people except for purely political reasons.

Media onslaught continues unabated. RTE News running a week long focus on DP. This eve's report was from Mosney

Following on from Newstalks week long features on DP as well as a week from the Irish Times

X111111111111

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

That's a fair point. I understand and tend to agree in sense. Especially now that media are saying all 39 DP centres are full.

Not sure what we can do about that now its worrying for the people and for us as country responsible for looking after them.

Yet some want 3 million here......

Think FG's stated policy is to increase the population of the nation by 1 million by 2040 or is it 2030?? With Irish people having less and less children it's not hard to see our country is changing forever.

AlekSmart

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Following on from Newstalks week long features on DP as well as a week from the Irish Times

DAMN !!...how did I manage to miss all of those...did you record any ?

Wibbs

X111111111111 wrote: »

With Irish people having less and less children it's not hard to see our country is changing forever.

We're having fewer children than our pre contraceptive good catholic grandparents but we've the highest birth rate in the EU and our population is growing organically.

You're unwittingly falling for this currently accepted and heavily promoted rhetoric. Part of this "multicultural" bullsh1te is the pushing of this "Oh noes we're running out of people". This may sell well in say Germany or Italy who do have a demographic problem(or that's how it's being pushed. I personally don't buy it), but it does not fit with Ireland. And yet the usual talking heads still spout the same stuff from the same script, when it is a complete and utter 24 carat nonsense. If anyone wants to demonstrate this spiel as the infectious meme nonsense that it is one doesn't have to look much further than the above.

Never mind that Japan actually has a demographic crisis, but nobody is suggesting it be "culturally improved" by bringing in hundreds of thousands of people from Africa and the Middle East. That appears to be only in play for those countries that are pale of face. Russia's population growth is slowing, even in decline, but they're not buying into this stuff.

jay0109 wrote:

Eamonn Ryan of the Green Party said he wants to see 10m on this island

Eamonn Ryan of the same party has also said his party wants to reintroduce wolves into Ireland. The man seems to be pleasant enough as an individual, but is also a grade A thundering fool. I'd be shocked if his IQ passed double digits. The Green party are a collection of either the stunningly naive, those who have been dropped on their heads as babies, or chancers looking for a TD's salary. Those who vote for them and their moronic policies make up the first two definitions in the above sentence.

Mr. teddywinkles

punisher5112 wrote: »

Leo, do-gooders etc etc....

Look at Germany, they wanted to take over the world and kill millions upon millions.

They are doing the opposite now and it isn't paying off to well.

The Germans were always a confused bunch

Mr. teddywinkles

Wibbs wrote: »

We're having fewer children than our pre contraceptive good catholic grandparents but we've the highest birth rate in the EU and our population is growing organically.

You're unwittingly falling for this currently accepted and heavily promoted rhetoric. Part of this "multicultural" bullsh1te is the pushing of this "Oh noes we're running out of people". This may sell well in say Germany or Italy who do have a demographic problem(or that's how it's being pushed. I personally don't buy it), but it does not fit with Ireland. And yet the usual talking heads still spout the same stuff from the same script, when it is a complete and utter 24 carat nonsense. If anyone wants to demonstrate this spiel as the infectious meme nonsense that it is one doesn't have to look much further than the above.

Never mind that Japan actually has a demographic crisis, but nobody is suggesting it be "culturally improved" by bringing in hundreds of thousands of people from Africa and the Middle East. That appears to be only in play for those countries that are pale of face. Russia's population growth is slowing, even in decline, but they're not buying into this stuff.

Eamonn Ryan of the same party has also said his party wants to reintroduce wolves into Ireland. The man seems to be pleasant enough as an individual, but is also a grade A thundering fool. I'd be shocked if his IQ passed double digits. The Green party are a collection of either the stunningly naive, those who have been dropped on their heads as babies, or chancers looking for a TD's salary. Those who vote for them and their moronic policies make up the first two definitions in the above sentence.

At my kids Christmas play this week. Large class in my kids year. The juniors is twice as big.
Don't see the problem with birthrates

4068ac1elhodqr

So much for those refused IPO leaving of their own free will...

Ireland (is forced, at considerable cost and effort) to return 23 people denied asylum to Albania and Georgia
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ireland-returns-23-people-denied-asylum-to-albania-and-georgia-1.4104861
https://www.newstalk.com/news/23-people-deported-ireland-refusing-leave-voluntarily-933349

There is also a mention of fake documentation being used in original applications.

Some 41 per cent of all asylum applications in the first half of the year were from Albania, Georgia and South Africa - three countries officially regarded as “safe countries of origin” by Ireland.

Can't be cheap or easy to coordinate with Frontex, Iceland and Belgium and escort them away on chartered flights, with medical supports etc.
Wonder when they actually arrived, likely years ago and did the old appeals approach.

This news hasn't been picked up, or broadcast by RTE (of of yet).

dePeatrick

Blueshoe wrote: »

There is one in a rural town close to my home house with 18 people. The hotel owner is actually a scumbag who was the type to be posting anti migrant messages on twitter and Facebook.

I say "was" because now that he is being paid a small fortune he has morphed into Bono or some other similar type fruitcake.

Money talks

I have not yet met one of those types who could not be bought. Their 'ideals' are as shallow as rain running off a footpath.

_Kaiser_

Indo alert that 8 Albanians have been found stowing away on a freighter in Waterford.

War in Albania that I missed?

jay0109

Only for we ran out of accommodation, the Govt would have done nothing to change this mental situation.
What say now the Migrant NGO's and left wing TD's who were screamin' and holleri'n when Vardakar showed a rare glimpse of back bone on this topic before xmas.

Asylum claims by Georgians and Albanians brought to abrupt halt
Clampdown at Dublin Airport sees claims from both countries plummet from record highs

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/asylum-claims-by-georgians-and-albanians-brought-to-abrupt-halt-1.4149447
The number of Albanian and Georgian nationals claiming asylum in the Republic plummeted close to a standstill late last year, new figures show.

An immigration clampdown at Dublin Airport saw applications from both nationalities slow to a trickle after sustained increases as far back as 2014....

....Last September, some 191 Albanians applied for asylum, the highest ever monthly total after applications from them had been rising for six years.

But when immigration checks were severely tightened at Dublin Airport, the number of Albanians applying for international protection in October more than halved to 90. And there were only seven applications in November; a 96 per cent drop in two months.

Similarly, the number of applications from Georgians reached a record high of 117 last September. That reduced by half, to 58 applications, in October and fell to just 17 applications in November....

....Immigration checks at passport control in Dublin Airport were moved back to the steps of arriving aircraft and those with fake documents were refused entry.

Airlines have been told to take such individuals back on return flights before any opportunity to claim international protection arose. Gardaí said this ensured more airlines were closely checking the travel documents of passengers boarding Dublin-bound flights as they did not want the expense of bringing passengers back on a return flight.

What fools we are paying billions for this racket the past 20 years

Topgear on Dave

It was getting a bit awkward so close to the election.

punisher5112

Tds gave themselves a €8k payrise....

We are fooked and doomed....

I don't want to work till 70 or more but they will make that happen to pay for all of this sh1te.

AlekSmart

jay0109 wrote: »

Only for we ran out of accommodation, the Govt would have done nothing to change this mental situation.
What say now the Migrant NGO's and left wing TD's who were screamin' and holleri'n when Vardakar showed a rare glimpse of back bone on this topic before xmas.

What fools we are paying billions for this racket the past 20 years

Holy moley...could one of the answers be this simple...?

Airlines have been told to take such individuals back on return flights before any opportunity to claim international protection arose. Gardaí said this ensured more airlines were closely checking the travel documents of passengers boarding Dublin-bound flights as they did not want the expense of bringing passengers back on a return flight.

Seems to be a quite reasonable way of handling the issue ?

punisher5112

Airlines and shipping companies should be held to account and always should have been.

If one arrives here from Nigeria, Lagos etc which we have not one direct flight then questions should be asked and alarms sounded......

wmahcm

jay0109 wrote: »

Eamonn Ryan of the Green Party said he wants to see 10m on this island

Maybe Eamonn thinks some of them will vote for the Greens when the re-plantation is complete and the pesky Irish natives are confined to hell or to Connaught. Thing is neither the foreigners or the natives are as stupid as the Eamonn Ryan types like to think.

Patrick2010

wmahcm wrote: »

Maybe Eamonn thinks some of them will vote for the Greens when the re-plantation is complete and the pesky Irish natives are confined to hell or to Connaught. Thing is neither the foreigners or the natives are as stupid as the Eamonn Ryan types like to think.

Eamon said on newstalk during the week that he wants to see an end to direct provision but was not asked what he wants to replace it with. I plan on asking any Green candidate who comes to the door that question.

olestoepoke

Why not adopt a similar approach to immigration like Canada or Australia? Skilled workers and their families and not people who will most likely become dependent on welfare. Also why aren't any of the parties talking about immigration in their campaigns? Seems that they are afraid to even debate the issue for fear of the "R" word being thrown at them.

Das Reich

olestoepoke wrote: »

Why not adopt a similar approach to immigration like Canada or Australia? Skilled workers and their families and not people who will most likely become dependent on welfare. Also why aren't any of the parties talking about immigration in their campaigns? Seems that they are afraid to even debate the issue for fear of the "R" word being thrown at them.

Or the approach Brazil had on the 1870 to 1920 by bringing millions of hard working agricultural workers from Europe to settle the empty countryside. It was a win win situation as Europe got rid of overpopulation at the time. But the way is done now is non sense. Ireland is small and don't need them, at least mostly of them. And more housing building to accomodate them would result in less agri land. And more dependancy on food supply from outside. Japanese are way more seriuos on this issue than Europeans.

SchrodingersCat

olestoepoke wrote: »

Why not adopt a similar approach to immigration like Canada or Australia? Skilled workers and their families and not people who will most likely become dependent on welfare. Also why aren't any of the parties talking about immigration in their campaigns? Seems that they are afraid to even debate the issue for fear of the "R" word being thrown at them.

Because they wouldn't be racist if they see the benefit of asylum seekers.