Ireland's asylum hotel monthly bill tops €3.54m

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Eric Cartman wrote: »

Non EU migrants are net detractors from our economy.

Correct, esp when looking at the earning potential of (non-eu) migrants. Look at the uk and see that there are only two exceptions (Chinese & Indian) that outperform natives.
These two groups however often arrive directly on higher level student visas, and pay a whack for their Uni courses.



The bottom of the pile matches the previous page, whereby Pakistan and Bangladeshi earn the least.

SchrodingersCat

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Non EU migrants are net detractors from our economy.

Not true. As evidence, have a look at the Nature article and report here:

Our results suggest that the alleged migrant crisis currently experienced by Europe is not likely to provoke an economic crisis but might rather be an economic opportunity. We do not deny that large flows of asylum seekers into Europe pose many political challenges both within host countries and with respect to the European coordination of national policies. However, these political challenges may be more easily addressed if the cliché that international migration is associated with economic “burden” can be dispelled. In particular, we believe that the allocation mechanism for asylum seekers should be more dependent on political and diplomatic considerations than on economic concerns.

Eric Cartman

SchrodingersCat wrote: »

Not true. As evidence, have a look at the Nature article and report here:

Our results suggest that the alleged migrant crisis currently experienced by Europe is not likely to provoke an economic crisis but might rather be an economic opportunity. We do not deny that large flows of asylum seekers into Europe pose many political challenges both within host countries and with respect to the European coordination of national policies. However, these political challenges may be more easily addressed if the cliché that international migration is associated with economic “burden” can be dispelled. In particular, we believe that the allocation mechanism for asylum seekers should be more dependent on political and diplomatic considerations than on economic concerns.

the confidence interval shading on those graphs basically invalidates the lot. There is nothing proving that Non EU migrants to the EU ever act as net contributors in a contemporary timeframe. Looking at unemployment rate, earnings of employed, single digit degree achievement, its a recipe for disaster economically.

Boggles

Migrants more likely to be in work than Irish

The report from the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI) examines how well migrants have settled in the Republic and reveals a wide disparity based on where people were born.

All told, 17 per cent of people currently living in the Republic were born in another country, with 8,000 immigrants becoming Irish citizens last year alone.

The ESRI report suggests that 4 per cent of western European nationals living in Ireland, excluding people from the UK, were unemployed last year compared with 7 per cent of Irish nationals and 16 per cent of people from Africa.

Employment rates were also higher for non-Irish nationals than Irish nationals, with 70 per cent of the former being employed compared with 66 per cent of the latter.

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Eric Cartman

Boggles wrote: »

Migrants more likely to be in work than Irish



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you bolded the wrong part

The ESRI report suggests that 4 per cent of western European nationals living in Ireland, excluding people from the UK, were unemployed last year compared with 7 per cent of Irish nationals and 16 per cent of people from Africa.

your migrants vs us stat only works when you use the EU to bolster up migrant stats, Non EU migrants do not come anywhere close to our employment rate which is what this entire thread is about.

Find me a non EU country of origin with a higher employment rate than 66% here , and I don't mean the USA....

Boggles

Eric Cartman wrote: »

you bolded the wrong part



your migrants vs us stat only works when you use the EU to bolster up migrant stats, Non EU migrants do not come anywhere close to our employment rate which is what this entire thread is about.

It's not my stat.

Go back and read what I responded to.

The thread is about "asylum hotels", as asylum seekers were prohibited from working until recently, employment stats don't apply to them.

Gatling

Eric Cartman wrote: »

you bolded the wrong part



your migrants vs us stat only works when you use the EU to bolster up migrant stats, Non EU migrants do not come anywhere close to our employment rate which is what this entire thread is about.

Find me a non EU country of origin with a higher employment rate than 66% here , and I don't mean the USA....

That claim has been used in every other thread on immigrants and everytime its debunked just as quick and yet here we are again

Eric Cartman

Boggles wrote: »

It's not my stat.

Go back and read what I responded to.

The thread is about "asylum hotels", as asylum seekers were prohibited from working until recently, employment stats don't apply to them.

these stats are labour force based....so only those eligible to work.... Its a pretty good barometer that granting asylum or visas to non eu migrants is usually costing us money. Another one in the 'cons' category of immigration from outside the EU.

Boggles

Eric Cartman wrote: »

these stats are labour force based....so only those eligible to work....

The thread as you were quick to point out is about "asylum hotels", the occupants of which were banned from working up until very recently, even now that work is limited and comes with conditions.

You are giving out about people not working who can't work.

It's bizarre in the extreme.

What's next feckless wheel chair users too lazy to use their legs?

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Migrants more likely to be in work than Irish

The report from the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI) examines how well migrants have settled in the Republic and reveals a wide disparity based on where people were born.

All told, 17 per cent of people currently living in the Republic were born in another country, with 8,000 immigrants becoming Irish citizens last year alone.

The ESRI report suggests that 4 per cent of western European nationals living in Ireland, excluding people from the UK, were unemployed last year compared with 7 per cent of Irish nationals and 16 per cent of people from Africa.

Employment rates were also higher for non-Irish nationals than Irish nationals, with 70 per cent of the former being employed compared with 66 per cent of the latter.

Gatling wrote: »

That claim has been used in every other thread on immigrants and everytime its debunked just as quick and yet here we are again

I have a feeling you do not know what that word means?

SchrodingersCat

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the confidence interval shading on those graphs basically invalidates the lot. There is nothing proving that Non EU migrants to the EU ever act as net contributors in a contemporary timeframe. Looking at unemployment rate, earnings of employed, single digit degree achievement, its a recipe for disaster economically.

Are you referring to this image?



If so, how does the confidence interval invalidate the lot?

jay0109

Getting back to my post yesterday which reignited this thread, can the Globalists/Open Border brigade on here give us their valuable insights into the collapse in numbers of Georgians and Albanians seeking asylum here in the past few months? Is this wrong in your opinion...has the Irish State overstepped the mark?

4068ac1elhodqr

The next 10/20/30yrs will be nothing like the previous 30yrs.

Unskilled, illiterate, blue-collar 'grunt labour' will largely become redundant.

Shai

Irish males: 79.7%
EU males: 84%
non-EU males: 78.3%

Irish women: 68.8%
EU women: 70.2%
non-EU women: 57.9%

There you go. The difference between Irish males and non-EU males is 1.4%. Non-EU women are dragging the total non-EU percentage down. Unfortunately neither the CSO nor Eurostat numbers allow me to drill down deeper into this, but I'm gonna guess that these are mostly stay-at-home moms and not single women coming over to live large on Irish welfare.

And before anyone decides that this 1.4% is just completely unacceptable, I would like to point out that these Ireland-based non-EU males do have an employment rate higher than the native males of Belgium and Luxembourg.

SchrodingersCat

Shai wrote: »

Irish males: 79.7%
EU males: 84%
non-EU males: 78.3%

Irish women: 68.8%
EU women: 70.2%
non-EU women: 57.9%

There you go. The difference between Irish males and non-EU males is 1.4%. Non-EU women are dragging the total non-EU percentage down. Unfortunately neither the CSO nor Eurostat numbers allow me to drill down deeper into this, but I'm gonna guess that these are mostly stay-at-home moms and not single women coming over to live large on Irish welfare.

And before anyone decides that this 1.4% is just completely unacceptable, I would like to point out that these Ireland-based non-EU males do have an employment rate higher than the native males of Belgium and Luxembourg.

Just to add to your well put point, as Boggles already mentioned, Asylum seekers were not allowed to find employment in Ireland until recently. This would also bring their employment rate down.

Eric Cartman

SchrodingersCat wrote: »

Just to add to your well put point, as Boggles already mentioned, Asylum seekers were not allowed to find employment in Ireland until recently. This would also bring their employment rate down.

theyre not included in 'labour market' stats when they legally cant work. those stats are only people of working age, eligible to work. you could have a million asylum seekers and it wouldnt make a sniff of difference to stats.

SchrodingersCat

Eric Cartman wrote: »

theyre not included in 'labour market' stats when they legally cant work. those stats are only people of working age, eligible to work. you could have a million asylum seekers and it wouldnt make a sniff of difference to stats.

Where are you reading your 'labour market'?

If you look at the title of the table, it says 'of the population'.

Your point that migrants and asylum seekers are net detractors to an economy has been shown by the graphs and tables not to be true.

DelaneyIn

An emergency cash injection to its annual budget will be sought by the Department of Justice in the autumn to meet cost overruns created as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Justice officials have admitted that they face an overspending bill of some €120m extra because of the need to secure additional hotel spaces and other international protection accommodation.

The budget provision to cater for accommodation for those under international protection, such as asylum seekers, was set for 2020 at €80.6m.

That allocation has already been exceeded and the updated cost estimate is now being put by officials at around €200m – an overrun of almost €120m on the original provision.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/justice-officials-seek-emergency-cash-injection-amid-120m-overspend-bill-due-to-covid-39443060.html

These are staggering figures. A lot of people are getting very wealthy on the back of this. There are circa 7,700 people in the asylum process. That’s roughly 26k per person per annum.

It would be cheaper to rent each one a one bedroom house and give them the €197 dole per week.

Beechwoodspark

Absolutely unreal figures. Ppl are making huge sums out of this system

Kivaro

So the budget for asylum accommodation was set for 2020 at €80.6m.
But now the officials are putting that number at €200m.
Where is the accountability here?

The majority of asylum seekers in Ireland are bogus; yet the tax payer is getting hammered for this program. Don't forget that the €200m above is just for asylum accommodation for one year. Then there is the multitude of ancillary services that are provided to them. Over a quarter of the population in this country is currently out of work; we just cannot afford this dysfunctional asylum system any more.

Gatling

SchrodingersCat wrote: »

Just to add to your well put point, as Boggles already mentioned, Asylum seekers were not allowed to find employment in Ireland until recently. This would also bring their employment rate down.

But it didn't stop them from working

Still doesn't take away from Africans having the lowest engagement rates and unemployment in the country

Kivaro

Kivaro wrote: »

So the budget for asylum accommodation was set for 2020 at €80.6m.
But now the officials are putting that number at €200m.
Where is the accountability here?

The majority of asylum seekers in Ireland are bogus; yet the tax payer is getting hammered for this program. Don't forget that the €200m above is just for asylum accommodation for one year. Then there is the multitude of ancillary services that are provided to them. Over a quarter of the population in this country is currently out of work; we just cannot afford this dysfunctional asylum system any more.

so, 7000 migrants in DP, but the cost is 200m for asylum accommodation? That's utterly retarded. Makes you wonder who is checking their figures.

ShamNNspace

DelaneyIn wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/justice-officials-seek-emergency-cash-injection-amid-120m-overspend-bill-due-to-covid-39443060.html

These are staggering figures. A lot of people are getting very wealthy on the back of this. There are circa 7,700 people in the asylum process. That’s roughly 26k per person per annum.

It would be cheaper to rent each one a one bedroom house and give them the €197 dole per week.

It would be cheaper to give them all a grant of 20k to return to their home countries, the money might do more good there

TomTomTim

ShamNNspace wrote: »

It would be cheaper to give them all a grant of 20k to return to their home countries, the money might do more good there

Until word spreads, then we'd be economically ruined.

ShamNNspace

TomTomTim wrote: »

Until word spreads, then we'd be economically ruined.

Maybe a once off grant of say 10k then to clear the boards or maybe it could be calculated on how long one is in the system, couple this with the introduction of a proper system with a much quicker turnaround say 6 months. At the moment the only ones profiting from this arrangement are the legal crowd and the companies who own and run these centres

Gatling

We need a proper detention center for Asylum seekers who come here ,no more than 4 weeks turn around , access to a solicitor and then it's up to a panel to decide if they are genuine asylum seekers actually fleeing war or presecution if denied returned to country of origin within that initial 4 week period ,they should release a list of countries that are considered safe and not entitled to apply for Asylum unless they can provide genuine proof of who they are and what exactly they are fleeing

Kivaro

ShamNNspace wrote: »

At the moment the only ones profiting from this arrangement are the legal crowd and the companies who own and run these centres

Unfortunately, there are many other groups profiting from the asylum industry in Ireland. For a lot of NGO's, it is their bread and butter, which is why the current asylum system needs to be sustained at all costs .... for their survival.

If the asylum process was transparent, we would know the percentage of those who obtained asylum and still being supported by the Irish tax payer. These figures can easily be obtained in other European countries. The lack of transparency in the Irish asylum system only raises other questions.

punisher5112

Gdpr has put the end to transparency....

suicide_circus

Gatling wrote: »

We need a proper detention center for Asylum seekers who come here ,no more than 4 weeks turn around , access to a solicitor and then it's up to a panel to decide if they are genuine asylum seekers actually fleeing war or presecution if denied returned to country of origin within that initial 4 week period ,they should release a list of countries that are considered safe and not entitled to apply for Asylum unless they can provide genuine proof of who they are and what exactly they are fleeing

First question should be why they bypassed X number of safe countries and chose Ireland.

DelaneyIn

suicide_circus wrote: »

First question should be why they bypassed X number of safe countries and chose Ireland.

Precisely.

The overwhelming majority of those who claim asylum in the state are economic migrants. If we had an honest media, this would not be disputed.

The vast majority of asylum seekers should not be in direct provision. They should be on planes home.