The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Enquiring

Tombo2001 wrote: »

A classic "this argument is going nowhere, because you lot wont agree with me" post.....

But you do agree with that poster!

Yesterday you posted about Kerry and the advantages they have. You believe their sponsorship and facilities are an advantage over counties who have less. Then obviously, Dublin with far more than kerry, have far more of an advantage.

Theres nothing to disagree with here.

Enquiring

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Like what?

Given that there are clubs in Dublin that dont even have a pitch.

What types of resources?


And dont forget on the latter point - fees in Dublin clubs are wayyyyyy higher than in country clubs. Maybe that would be one way to even up the balance - pay more for your club membership.

EDIT - my only issue in this debate is that people make out its some sort of financial doping, that Dublin is given an unfair amount of investment. I dont believe that is the case. Yes, more is invested in Dublin GAA - in the same way that more is invested in hospitals in Dublin for example, compared to other counties - because more people live there. That creates an unbalanced championship yes. Is there some sort of pro Dublin bias. No. Are other counties being ripped off. No.

Dublin GAA were drawn up a plan by a specially appointed panel. They were then granted huge resources to implement that plan. This was a Dublin only scheme. No other county had access. Nearly every club had access to their own dedicated games development officer. That is a huge resource to have. It's already been pointed out the areas these officers worked on and improved. It's made a massive difference to Dublin GAA. Across the board. People inside Dublin GAA openly admit this.

And the thing is, it would have been great, seeing Gaelic games develop is something all of us want. But, why was this scheme only made available for Dublin? Is the health of Gaelic games not important in other counties? By giving Dublin special treatment, the GAA caused this mess. It's spiralled out of control. Dublin now spend close to 4 million on games development alone. No one can live with that. The wealth in Dublin on top of the Dublin only program for nearly 2 decades means that we have to split Dublin. It's unfortunate but there is no other option.

Strumms

Enquiring wrote: »

Dublin GAA were drawn up a plan by a specially appointed panel. They were then granted huge resources to implement that plan. This was a Dublin only scheme. No other county had access. Nearly every club had access to their own dedicated games development officer. That is a huge resource to have. It's already been pointed out the areas these officers worked on and improved. It's made a massive difference to Dublin GAA. Across the board. People inside Dublin GAA openly admit this.

And the thing is, it would have been great, seeing Gaelic games develop is something all of us want. But, why was this scheme only made available for Dublin? Is the health of Gaelic games not important in other counties? By giving Dublin special treatment, the GAA caused this mess. It's spiralled out of control. Dublin now spend close to 4 million on games development alone. No one can live with that. The wealth in Dublin on top of the Dublin only program for nearly 2 decades means that we have to split Dublin. It's unfortunate but there is no other option.

The only way a split happens is if Dublin agree to it. They won’t. No player, supporter, county board member.... it’s not the Soviet Union 1935, you can’t punish or kick success away... you just need to get better yourself....you need pitches, balls, determination, organization and hard work and hope that it pays dividends more then at any other county...

If the split splashers focused more on improving rather than disingenuously trying to tear everybody else’s house down...

In athletics if xx athlete runs the 100 meters in 9.97 seconds, I can run 10.36... I’m not going to start worrying about what funding, what anything...I’ll be worried about working harder.

Funding again is spread far more thinly. Is spent in the capital where it’s more expensive to buy, well everything... bulbs for floodlights, repairs to all weather pitches, everything, insurance, energy..light, heat, you name it.

A huge number of clubs, huge number of players, participants from under age to senior...

What’s being spent is what’s needed...to ‘run’ the games... it’s more expensive to run it in Dublin, that’s a fact. From participation to administration...huge number of clubs, players, supporters...the investment is proportionate.

Still all weather pitches, floodlights, clubhouses, gyms, conference facilities and so on being invested in, nationwide... so you know... not the one sided setup the split splashers would have everybody believe.

Tombo2001

Enquiring wrote: »

Dublin GAA were drawn up a plan by a specially appointed panel. They were then granted huge resources to implement that plan. This was a Dublin only scheme. No other county had access. Nearly every club had access to their own dedicated games development officer. That is a huge resource to have. It's already been pointed out the areas these officers worked on and improved. It's made a massive difference to Dublin GAA. Across the board. People inside Dublin GAA openly admit this.

And the thing is, it would have been great, seeing Gaelic games develop is something all of us want. But, why was this scheme only made available for Dublin? Is the health of Gaelic games not important in other counties? By giving Dublin special treatment, the GAA caused this mess. It's spiralled out of control. Dublin now spend close to 4 million on games development alone. No one can live with that. The wealth in Dublin on top of the Dublin only program for nearly 2 decades means that we have to split Dublin. It's unfortunate but there is no other option.

So the question asked was - what resources are you talking about, that Dublin clubs have access to.

And your answer is Games Development Officers.

There are 300 Games Development Officers in the country.

54 of these are in Dublin.

Most of those in Dublin are aligned with one club, but
(i) they dont belong to the clubs - they are assigned to areas and most of their remit is to work with schools.
(ii) clubs in Dublin tend to be much larger than country clubs. Kilmacud Crokes has almost 5000 members. So one Games Development Officer aligned to Kilmacud might be spread across more players than an Officer that deals with 5 clubs in Offaly or Westmeath.

tikkahunter

Tombo2001 wrote: »

So the question asked was - what resources are you talking about, that Dublin clubs have access to.

And your answer is Games Development Officers.

There are 300 Games Development Officers in the country.

54 of these are in Dublin.

Most of those in Dublin are aligned with one club, but
(i) they dont belong to the clubs - they are assigned to areas and most of their remit is to work with schools.
(ii) clubs in Dublin tend to be much larger than country clubs. Kilmacud Crokes has almost 5000 members. So one Games Development Officer aligned to Kilmacud might be spread across more players than an Officer that deals with 5 clubs in Offaly or Westmeath.

He was already told this ,he doesn’t want to know . He has uncovered the Dead Sea scrolls and is going to take down Dublin -split it in four and tarnish their achievements. I really can’t wait to see what he does with all this information.

tritium

Enquiring wrote: »

Dublin GAA were drawn up a plan by a specially appointed panel. They were then granted huge resources to implement that plan. This was a Dublin only scheme. No other county had access. Nearly every club had access to their own dedicated games development officer. That is a huge resource to have. It's already been pointed out the areas these officers worked on and improved. It's made a massive difference to Dublin GAA. Across the board. People inside Dublin GAA openly admit this.

And the thing is, it would have been great, seeing Gaelic games develop is something all of us want. But, why was this scheme only made available for Dublin? Is the health of Gaelic games not important in other counties? By giving Dublin special treatment, the GAA caused this mess. It's spiralled out of control. Dublin now spend close to 4 million on games development alone. No one can live with that. The wealth in Dublin on top of the Dublin only program for nearly 2 decades means that we have to split Dublin. It's unfortunate but there is no other option.

The plan was drawn up because it was recognised that decades of neglect had the sports in the capital on its knees. Dublin clubs were seeing the impact of lack of resources and facilities due to decades of economic bmneglect for the capital. The boom had seen space becoming more squeezed and the real prospect of kids in dublin having no pitches to play games on for example, a problem no other county faced on that scale. Dublin clubs by definition need to have more people per facility as the space isn’t there. It’s all well and good saying a club has 10x the membership, but that also means 10x the demand for pitches, mentors, coaching etc. The clubs backed this because the alternative was extinction- they put their hands in their pockets and paid half the cost. They found a way to survive.

The structure of the plan was dublin specific because a) dublin had a huge problem for the GAA and b) the GAA. Previous attempts to let counties manage their games development had been a disaster- as nickey Brennan noted on 2005 some counties were siphoning off development funds to spend on the inter county team. The dublin plan put a framework in place to manage the use of funds and ensure a transparency that hadn’t been there in previous games development projects for counties

Your 4 million figure is again deliberately misleading. A large part of it as you’ve already indicated comes from self generated resources either by clubs or the county. As already noted most counties are still humming and hawing about being professional in how they manage the commercials, the exceptions being the successful counties such as Kerry- cork have just seen the light in this it seems. Dublin were laughed at when they laid this strategy out. The games development is covered every year by the Leinster council and everyone has visibility- most thought it was a waste and a pipe dream until this dublin generation started winning. Why the fook didn’t any of them start getting their **** in order a decade ago- don’t bull**** that they weren’t allowed, most were busy laughing at dublin. Frankly if a club with higher cost base finds a way to use its funds efficiently to thrive, fair fooking play to them, I certainly won’t have them condemned by folks who largely sat on their hands for a decade

Enquiring

Strumms wrote: »

The only way a split happens is if Dublin agree to it. They won’t. No player, supporter, county board member.... it’s not the Soviet Union 1935, you can’t punish or kick success away... you just need to get better yourself....you need pitches, balls, determination, organization and hard work and hope that it pays dividends more then at any other county...

If the split splashers focused more on improving rather than disingenuously trying to tear everybody else’s house down...

In athletics if xx athlete runs the 100 meters in 9.97 seconds, I can run 10.36... I’m not going to start worrying about what funding, what anything...I’ll be worried about working harder.

Funding again is spread far more thinly. Is spent in the capital where it’s more expensive to buy, well everything... bulbs for floodlights, repairs to all weather pitches, everything, insurance, energy..light, heat, you name it.

A huge number of clubs, huge number of players, participants from under age to senior...

What’s being spent is what’s needed...to ‘run’ the games... it’s more expensive to run it in Dublin, that’s a fact. From participation to administration...huge number of clubs, players, supporters...the investment is proportionate.

Still all weather pitches, floodlights, clubhouses, gyms, conference facilities and so on being invested in, nationwide... so you know... not the one sided setup the split splashers would have everybody believe.

3.8 million per year on games development. Over 2 million on wages and salaries. 2.3 million in sponsorship. Over 1.5 million on team preparations. These are some of the reasons why Dublin must be split.

Enquiring

Tombo2001 wrote: »

So the question asked was - what resources are you talking about, that Dublin clubs have access to.

And your answer is Games Development Officers.

There are 300 Games Development Officers in the country.

54 of these are in Dublin.

Most of those in Dublin are aligned with one club, but
(i) they dont belong to the clubs - they are assigned to areas and most of their remit is to work with schools.
(ii) clubs in Dublin tend to be much larger than country clubs. Kilmacud Crokes has almost 5000 members. So one Games Development Officer aligned to Kilmacud might be spread across more players than an Officer that deals with 5 clubs in Offaly or Westmeath.

Not only were Dublin clubs given access to their own dedicated development officer, they also had highly paid officials overseeing the implementation of the plan drawn up for them by the GAA.

It's been noted numerous times in this thread, you cant ignore 2 decades of funding because it doesnt suit you. You've already had to acknowledge that extra funds is a major advantage, Dublin having the largest access to funds, way out of line with everyone else means Dublin have had a major advantage. This is your view, isn't it?

Every county had between one and six development officers while Dublin had one for nearly every club. It's already been noted how much of an advantage being positioned in 1 club instead of numerous clubs is. Again, that was noted by someone actually involved in games development.

Strumms

Enquiring wrote: »

3.8 million per year on games development. Over 2 million on wages and salaries. 2.3 million in sponsorship. Over 1.5 million on team preparations. These are some of the reasons why Dublin must be split.

Nope, no dice...

All that goes into facilitating the sport from grassroots up, hundreds of teams across games, gender and age groups...facilities, everything.. long may it continue. :cool:

Enquiring

tikkahunter wrote: »

He was already told this ,he doesn’t want to know . He has uncovered the Dead Sea scrolls and is going to take down Dublin -split it in four and tarnish their achievements. I really can’t wait to see what he does with all this information.

You and others have been corrected multiple times on the inaccuracy of some of your posts. Why not correct the posters like Tombo? You know the truth.

Enquiring

tritium wrote: »

The plan was drawn up because it was recognised that decades of neglect had the sports in the capital on its knees. Dublin clubs were seeing the impact of lack of resources and facilities due to decades of economic bmneglect for the capital. The boom had seen space becoming more squeezed and the real prospect of kids in dublin having no pitches to play games on for example, a problem no other county faced on that scale. Dublin clubs by definition need to have more people per facility as the space isn’t there. It’s all well and good saying a club has 10x the membership, but that also means 10x the demand for pitches, mentors, coaching etc. The clubs backed this because the alternative was extinction- they put their hands in their pockets and paid half the cost. They found a way to survive.

The structure of the plan was dublin specific because a) dublin had a huge problem for the GAA and b) the GAA. Previous attempts to let counties manage their games development had been a disaster- as nickey Brennan noted on 2005 some counties were siphoning off development funds to spend on the inter county team. The dublin plan put a framework in place to manage the use of funds and ensure a transparency that hadn’t been there in previous games development projects for counties

Your 4 million figure is again deliberately misleading. A large part of it as you’ve already indicated comes from self generated resources either by clubs or the county. As already noted most counties are still humming and hawing about being professional in how they manage the commercials, the exceptions being the successful counties such as Kerry- cork have just seen the light in this it seems. Dublin were laughed at when they laid this strategy out. The games development is covered every year by the Leinster council and everyone has visibility- most thought it was a waste and a pipe dream until this dublin generation started winning. Why the fook didn’t any of them start getting their **** in order a decade ago- don’t bull**** that they weren’t allowed, most were busy laughing at dublin. Frankly if a club with higher cost base finds a way to use its funds efficiently to thrive, fair fooking play to them, I certainly won’t have them condemned by folks who largely sat on their hands for a decade

I've asked you previously but you never answered. How were Dublin in a worse position than counties who had just emerged from a 30 year war?

Having a plan drawn up and funded for you is special treatment. No two ways about it! Then profiting from the success of the plan, earning more in sponsorship etc from it just adds to the injustice. Why wasn't the plan opened for all counties?

The wealth available in Dublin means that counties can operate easily. You've been told this. No one can compete with a county with the finances of Dublin, not should they be forced to. This is an amateur sport.

Tombo2001

Enquiring wrote: »

Not only were Dublin clubs given access to their own dedicated development officer, they also had highly paid officials overseeing the implementation of the plan drawn up for them by the GAA.

It's been noted numerous times in this thread, you cant ignore 2 decades of funding because it doesnt suit you. You've already had to acknowledge that extra funds is a major advantage, Dublin having the largest access to funds, way out of line with everyone else means Dublin have had a major advantage. This is your view, isn't it?

Every county had between one and six development officers while Dublin had one for nearly every club. It's already been noted how much of an advantage being positioned in 1 club instead of numerous clubs is. Again, that was noted by someone actually involved in games development.

But the clubs in Dublin are much larger, as I've already stated and you've ignored.

I've been coaching with a club in Dublin for 6 years, I've had just one single session with the local Games Development officer.

Its made absolutely no difference to me as an inexperienced mentor, or to the kids that I am coaching (if thats the word for it). I've learned a lot more from watching YouTube videos of Martin Fogarty and the likes.

You keep just throwing out soundbites. There is no real analysis.

Enquiring

Strumms wrote: »

Nope, no dice...

All that goes into facilitating the sport from grassroots up, hundreds of teams across games, gender and age groups...facilities, everything.. long may it continue. :cool:

Well of course you'd say that. But for the health of our games, we can't let one county operate on a professional basis. It's as simple as that.

Enquiring

Tombo2001 wrote: »

But the clubs in Dublin are much larger, as I've already stated and you've ignored.

I've been coaching with a club in Dublin for 6 years, I've had just one single session with the local Games Development officer.

The clubs being larger is an advantage! Not a disadvantage.

Personal anecdotes are all well and good but I'll go with the words of senior Dublin county board members and officers who've been involved since the inception of the Dublin only scheme.

tritium

Enquiring wrote: »

You and others have been corrected multiple times on the inaccuracy of some of your posts. Why not correct the posters like Tombo? You know the truth.

Given the misleading information you’ve posted you probably should look closer to home for inaccuracies. For a start you could allocate all games development funding instead of just a selected subset

TCP/IP

Enquiring wrote: »

Well of course you'd say that. But for the health of our games, we can't let one county operate on a professional basis. It's as simple as that.

@Enquiring you speak a lot about Dublin and your thoughts on their situation.
Can I ask which county do you support?

tritium

Enquiring wrote: »

Well of course you'd say that. But for the health of our games, we can't let one county operate on a professional basis. It's as simple as that.

Well of course you’d say that, but for the health of our games we can’t let people use bitterness against the innovation one county has shown prevent us from moving the sport forward- just because we didn’t have sports science in 1900 seems a silly reason not to embrace it now for example

tritium

Enquiring wrote: »

The clubs being larger is an advantage! Not a disadvantage.

Personal anecdotes are all well and good but I'll go with the words of senior Dublin county board members and officers who've been involved since the inception of the Dublin only scheme.

It’s not as simple as saying it’s an advantage. If it was wed keep upping the pupil teacher ratio for example. You need the resources and facilities to keep pace with the scale for a start

dunnerc

Enquiring wrote: »

3.8 million per year on games development. Over 2 million on wages and salaries. 2.3 million in sponsorship. Over 1.5 million on team preparations. These are some of the reasons why Dublin must be split.

Again your not listening , as was already mentioned


The only way a split happens is if Dublin agree to it. They won’t. No player, supporter, county board member....

Strumms

Enquiring wrote: »

Well of course you'd say that. But for the health of our games, we can't let one county operate on a professional basis. It's as simple as that.

I’d say that because it’s factual, it’s reality.

No rules have been breached. If they have, do something. But they weren’t, so you can’t..... deal with it and focus on your own county, nobody else’s.

ArielAtom

dunnerc wrote: »

Again your not listening , as was already mentioned


The only way a split happens is if Dublin agree to it. They won’t. No player, supporter, county board member....

The 3.8m that is mentioned as being spent by the Dublin GAA is an untruth, the poster who has mentioned this and continued to spout these untruths does not mention that the Games development funding from the Irish Sports Council is 1.3m thereabouts, he is looking at adding the clubs (privately funded portion) of the GDO/GPO salary, but hey it suits he rhetoric. It is quite obvious that there is a certain cabal posting in this forum that have no actual interest in the GAA, but merely want to see the greatest team of all time knocked off their perch. It will happen, but a small group of posters on an internet forum whinging about another counties success will have not played its part. The counties who apply themselves, maximise their resources and are luck enough to have gifted sports people will be the one to do it. Mayo would have 2-3 AI's if Dublin were not around, I haven't heard them complaining, they knuckled down, worked hard, developed strategies and were close to achieving on several occasions. Compare that with counties who don't have the issues of isolation on the west coast and have been on a whingefest for quite a while now. Two counties in particular who have population, facilities but alas fail to deliver, Meath and Kildare. DCB even had some Kildare teams competing in the Dublin juvenile leagues to try and assist in their development. So as a GAA supporter, long may we be blessed in seeing the greatest (football) team of all time. Enjoy it folks, I enjoyed whilst being beaten in the past the great Kerry and Meath teams, without feeling the need to moan about losing, it really does come across as being mean spirited and a bad loser. Long may it last.

tikkahunter

County boards are not jumping up and down because if all their books where examined then the some hard truths would come out about how they run their own finances . I have heard some stories from lads i work with that benefitted from some of that money .Lets just say they could of employed a few GPO's for the money they spent on player holidays.

Enquiring

tritium wrote: »

Given the misleading information you’ve posted you probably should look closer to home for inaccuracies. For a start you could allocate all games development funding instead of just a selected subset

I did allocate it! Do you dispute that Dublin had a development officer for nearly every club while all other counties had 6 or below or what's the issue?

Enquiring

TCP/IP wrote: »

@Enquiring you speak a lot about Dublin and your thoughts on their situation.
Can I ask which county do you support?

Yes, you can.

TCP/IP

Enquiring wrote: »

Yes, you can.

Great thanks so which county do you support.

Enquiring

tritium wrote: »

Well of course you’d say that, but for the health of our games we can’t let people use bitterness against the innovation one county has shown prevent us from moving the sport forward- just because we didn’t have sports science in 1900 seems a silly reason not to embrace it now for example

There's no bitterness. You keep using words like that and Dublin clubs being punished. You're looking at it all wrong.

The split will be good for everyone in the GAA, especially those in Dublin.

Don't forget this plan was done for Dublin so the innovation credit should go to Eugene McGee et al. A fine GAA man he was.

Enquiring

dunnerc wrote: »

Again your not listening , as was already mentioned


The only way a split happens is if Dublin agree to it. They won’t. No player, supporter, county board member....

That's not true. Our games won't last much longer if the situation is allowed to continue as is. Something has to give before it's too late. Splitting Dublin has long been on the table. The time has come.

Enquiring

Strumms wrote: »

I’d say that because it’s factual, it’s reality.

No rules have been breached. If they have, do something. But they weren’t, so you can’t..... deal with it and focus on your own county, nobody else’s.

How can we have fair competitions with the financial situation in Dublin? Do we keep going when Dublin are spending 10's of millions on development, preparations and staff? When Dublin have 2 million people?

Face reality, this has to end.

Enquiring

ArielAtom wrote: »

The 3.8m that is mentioned as being spent by the Dublin GAA is an untruth, the poster who has mentioned this and continued to spout these untruths does not mention that the Games development funding from the Irish Sports Council is 1.3m thereabouts, he is looking at adding the clubs (privately funded portion) of the GDO/GPO salary, but hey it suits he rhetoric. It is quite obvious that there is a certain cabal posting in this forum that have no actual interest in the GAA, but merely want to see the greatest team of all time knocked off their perch. It will happen, but a small group of posters on an internet forum whinging about another counties success will have not played its part. The counties who apply themselves, maximise their resources and are luck enough to have gifted sports people will be the one to do it. Mayo would have 2-3 AI's if Dublin were not around, I haven't heard them complaining, they knuckled down, worked hard, developed strategies and were close to achieving on several occasions. Compare that with counties who don't have the issues of isolation on the west coast and have been on a whingefest for quite a while now. Two counties in particular who have population, facilities but alas fail to deliver, Meath and Kildare. DCB even had some Kildare teams competing in the Dublin juvenile leagues to try and assist in their development. So as a GAA supporter, long may we be blessed in seeing the greatest (football) team of all time. Enjoy it folks, I enjoyed whilst being beaten in the past the great Kerry and Meath teams, without feeling the need to moan about losing, it really does come across as being mean spirited and a bad loser. Long may it last.

I've already pointed that all out. Dublin spending 3.8 million on games development is a fact.

The rest of your post is an almighty whinge. Are you still claiming that the 25 million Dublin GAA received from taxpayers this century is all for primary school children? And that it only ran from 2007-2017.

The only untruths are coming from the defenders of the funding disparity.

Enquiring

tikkahunter wrote: »

County boards are not jumping up and down because if all their books where examined then the some hard truths would come out about how they run their own finances . I have heard some stories from lads i work with that benefitted from some of that money .Lets just say they could of employed a few GPO's for the money they spent on player holidays.

More anecdotes. Lacking in any factual evidence.

Enquiring

TCP/IP wrote: »

Great thanks so which county do you support.

I support all counties getting fair treatment from the GAA.

This means every county receiving enough funding to oversee the development of Gaelic football and hurling in that county. Resources for enough development officers and importantly, officers to monitor and implement the correct structures.

Basically what Dublin were provided with 20 years ago. The 4 new counties in Dublin will receive appropriate funding also.

TCP/IP

Enquiring wrote: »

I support all counties getting fair treatment from the GAA.

This means every county receiving enough funding to oversee the development of Gaelic football and hurling in that county. Resources for enough development officers and importantly, officers to monitor and implement the correct structures.

Basically what Dublin were provided with 20 years ago. The 4 new counties in Dublin will receive appropriate funding also.

No that is not answering the question.

ArielAtom

TCP/IP wrote: »

No that is not answering the question.

I agree with you on this statement, deflection. We still have to see the 20yr funding that has been spouted here. The funding some posters seem to have a problem comprehending is funding from the ISC. This is given to the GAA to allocate to its members. It is doing a great job in doing so. If it wasn't then the ISC sports council would be within its rights to withhold as it did with the FAI. Ergo, the the GAA are doing a fine job. Long may it continue.

Enquiring

TCP/IP wrote: »

No that is not answering the question.

I told you what I support.

TCP/IP

Enquiring wrote: »

I told you what I support.

Again not answering the question you are losing a lot of credibility by not answering a straight and simple question.

Enquiring

ArielAtom wrote: »

I agree with you on this statement, deflection. We still have to see the 20yr funding that has been spouted here. The funding some posters seem to have a problem comprehending is funding from the ISC. This is given to the GAA to allocate to its members. It is doing a great job in doing so. If it wasn't then the ISC sports council would be within its rights to withhold as it did with the FAI. Ergo, the the GAA are doing a fine job. Long may it continue.

The 20 years has already been posted. 2007-2017 was busted a long time ago.

The Sports Council money is the taxpayers money already discussed too. It is to be welcomed for sure. The only issue in this case being that so much of it was ring fenced for Dublin. Why use Dublin as a special case? If it was distributed fairly, the calls for the split of Dublin wouldn't be happening.

Unfortunately, that didnt happen and here we are with splitting Dublin as the only option to take.

Enquiring

TCP/IP wrote: »

Again not answering the question you are losing a lot of credibility by not answering a straight and simple question.

My credibility has been earned by providing backed up evidence for my posts. Facts, figures and statements all coming from official accounts and verifiable sources.

Tombo2001

Enquiring wrote: »

I support all counties getting fair treatment from the GAA.

This means every county receiving enough funding to oversee the development of Gaelic football and hurling in that county. Resources for enough development officers and importantly, officers to monitor and implement the correct structures.

Basically what Dublin were provided with 20 years ago. The 4 new counties in Dublin will receive appropriate funding also.

As mentioned, there are 300 games development officers of which 54 are in Dublin. Thats 18% in Dublin.

The population of all Ireland is 6.8mn, of which county Dublin is 1.23mn, or 18%.

Cant get much fairer than that.

TCP/IP

Enquiring wrote: »

My credibility has been earned by providing backed up evidence for my posts. Facts, figures and statements all coming from official accounts and verifiable sources.

You still will not answer a question that is very simple and you said you would answer why is that have you something to hide or perhaps an agenda.

Simply answer the question posed to you. A lot of your posts are about getting people to answer a question you have raised and if you don't get the answer you are looking for you say people are hiding the answer but yet when I ask you a simple question of what county do you support you will not answer.

Enquiring

Tombo2001 wrote: »

As mentioned, there are 300 games development officers of which 54 are in Dublin. Thats 18% in Dublin.

The population of all Ireland is 6.8mn, of which county Dublin is 1.23mn, or 18%.

Cant get much fairer than that.

As mentioned. You can't ignore 2 decades of funding because it doesnt suit your argument.

Every county had 6 or less coaches while Dublin had one per nearly every club. How many clubs are in Cork? What's the population of Cork? Did Cork get half the funding of Dublin and half the coaches?

Enquiring

TCP/IP wrote: »

You still will not answer a question that is very simple and you said you would answer why is that have you something to hide or perhaps an agenda.

Simply answer the question posed to you. A lot of your posts are about getting people to answer a question you have raised and if you don't get the answer you are looking for you say people are hiding the answer but yet when I ask you a simple question of what county do you support you will not answer.

I said you could ask. I didn't say I'd answer.

TCP/IP

Enquiring wrote: »

I said you could ask. I didn't say I'd answer.

And there we have it won't answer a simple question posed to him now why is that.

Honestly, that's just pathetic you talk about credibility you have just lost all of yours so you do have an agenda and something to hide if you can't answer a simple question like which county do you support.
Your just a keyboard troll nothing more.

Tombo2001

Enquiring wrote: »

As mentioned. You can't ignore 2 decades of funding because it doesnt suit your argument.

Every county had 6 or less coaches while Dublin had one per nearly every club. How many clubs are in Cork? What's the population of Cork? Did Cork get half the funding of Dublin and half the coaches?

Not aware of the disparities over 'two decades' and havent seen any stats on it.

Your point on Cork - run a google yourself. I've already shown that the split of Games Dev Officers in Dublin is exactly in line with population which is the fairest way to do it.

Enquiring

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Not aware of the disparities over 'two decades' and havent seen any stats on it.

Your point on Cork - run a google yourself. I've already shown that the split of Games Dev Officers in Dublin is exactly in line with population which is the fairest way to do it.

It started off with Dublin receiving funding of about 700,000 per year from 02-05. This moved up closer to 2 million per year after that. So using recent figures is pretty irrelevant as their has been a massive gap in funding since the early century.

I don't need to google. Cork received far less than half the funding Dublin received and despite having far more clubs and a far bigger region to cover, Cork had 6 or less coaches while Dublin had one for nearly every club.


I don't think fair is an accurate word to describe this.

ooter

You can't ignore failure at senior hurling level in Dublin for 2 decades despite funding because it doesn't suit the agenda.
Please provide evidence that the Dublin senior footballers have only had 2 away games in the championship since 2007?

Strumms

Ultimately if people can’t beat a strong Dublin team, let’s weaken the strong Dublin team, load of ... crapola :)that’s the agenda.

tritium

Enquiring wrote: »

I did allocate it! Do you dispute that Dublin had a development officer for nearly every club while all other counties had 6 or below or what's the issue?

You showed who got what from all the extra millions that aren't in the county allocation you posted?

tritium

Enquiring wrote: »

More anecdotes. Lacking in any factual evidence.

yet oddly enough Nickey Brennan was spouting the same 'anecdotes' back in 2005 having examined the books of counties who had received games development funding. Are you calling him a liar?

tritium

Enquiring wrote: »

As mentioned. You can't ignore 2 decades of funding because it doesnt suit your argument.

Every county had 6 or less coaches while Dublin had one per nearly every club. How many clubs are in Cork? What's the population of Cork? Did Cork get half the funding of Dublin and half the coaches?

And you cant ignore millions in unaccounted for Games Development funding that doesn't suit your argument

seligehgit

TCP/IP wrote: »

@Enquiring you speak a lot about Dublin and your thoughts on their situation.
Can I ask which county do you support?

Enquiring wrote: »

Yes, you can.

TCP/IP wrote: »

Great thanks so which county do you support.

TCP/IP wrote: »

No that is not answering the question.

Enquiring wrote: »

I told you what I support.

TCP/IP wrote: »

Again not answering the question you are losing a lot of credibility by not answering a straight and simple question.

Enquiring wrote: »

My credibility has been earned by providing backed up evidence for my posts. Facts, figures and statements all coming from official accounts and verifiable sources.

TCP/IP wrote: »

You still will not answer a question that is very simple and you said you would answer why is that have you something to hide or perhaps an agenda.

Simply answer the question posed to you. A lot of your posts are about getting people to answer a question you have raised and if you don't get the answer you are looking for you say people are hiding the answer but yet when I ask you a simple question of what county do you support you will not answer.

Enquiring wrote: »

I said you could ask. I didn't say I'd answer.

TCP/IP wrote: »

And there we have it won't answer a simple question posed to him now why is that.

Honestly, that's just pathetic you talk about credibility you have just lost all of yours so you do have an agenda and something to hide if you can't answer a simple question like which county do you support.
Your just a keyboard troll nothing more.

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