The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Enquiring

It's clear the argument defending the funding disparity has been lost and lost badly. Dublin supporters are just close of saying they're taking their ball and going home.

This is what we can expect when this gets even more publicity and momentum in the media etc. The empty threats will be thrown about along with the abuse and deflection. It's important everyone in favour of change stand up to this and let the facts and evidence do the talking. That's what those who want fair competitions have in our favour. The numbers and data speaks for itself.

Enquiring

Rosita wrote: »

Having four new competitive teams in the Dublin area is counter-productive if the plan is to re-energise the competitions from the point of view of other counties. In the long run it'd make Dublin stronger and potentially reconfigure the whole football competition into a Dublin-centric competition. You'd end up with a few counties dotted around the country in isolation like Antrim's hurlers.
If you're happy with that of course then it's not counter-productive. But when I used the phrase I assumed the object of your argument was to declaw Dublin.

Basically you're picking something out of thin air with nothing at all to back it up. A sure sign of a weak defense.

ShyMets

Enquiring wrote: »

It's clear the argument defending the funding disparity has been lost and lost badly. Dublin supporters are just close of saying they're taking their ball and going home.

This is what we can expect when this gets even more publicity and momentum in the media etc. The empty threats will be thrown about along with the abuse and deflection. It's important everyone in favour of change stand up to this and let the facts and evidence do the talking. That's what those who want fair competitions have in our favour. The numbers and data speaks for itself.

In your opinion

TCP/IP

ShyMets wrote: »

In your opinion

Your better off not engaging with the OP as he has a very clear agenda and best not fall to his level.

ShyMets

TCP/IP wrote: »

Your better off not engaging with the OP as he has a very clear agenda and best not fall to his level.

Their agenda is very clear. The OP also has talent for avoiding answering certain questions or just plain ignoring them
.
But I enjoy indulging them from time to time. It's a guilty pleasure

Enquiring

ShyMets wrote: »

In your opinion

You're free to outline why Dublin should be allowed to continue as is with 2 decades of over funding and the resulting annual income of 5 and 6 million more than most other counties.

Try to give an answer without whataboutery. No one has even attempted to justify it up to now.

Rosita

Jaden wrote: »

The intercounty setup is no longer a viable proposition in the long term - if the measure of viability is an even chance for all participants to attain honours. It could be argued very strongly that it was never fair. I don't think anyone is claiming otherwise. The imbalance is inherent in the county division system.

/QUOTE]

Only problem with this is that sport never sets out to give all participants an even chance. That's an unrealistic premise for starters.

ShyMets

Enquiring wrote: »

You're free to outline why Dublin should be allowed to continue as is with 2 decades of over funding and the resulting annual income of 5 and 6 million more than most other counties.

Try to give an answer without whataboutery. No one has even attempted to justify it up to now.

You're also free to outline the answer to the question I asked you a couple of days back about what you where doing to effect change beyond posting on Boards ie.

Enquiring

ShyMets wrote: »

You're also free to outline the answer to the question I asked you a couple of days back about what you where doing to effect change beyond posting on Boards ie.

That's already been outlined. Watch out for congress 2022. You have any defence of the funding?

ShyMets

Enquiring wrote: »

That's already been outlined. Watch out for congress 2022. You have any defence of the funding?

No it has not. Beyond posting on Boards you have never specifically outlined what you are doing to effect change.

superbluedub

Enquiring wrote: »

That's already been outlined. Watch out for congress 2022. You have any defence of the funding?

Yea looking forward to congress 2022 , the splitting Dublin in 4 followers
will be drying there eyes .

Enquiring

superbluedub wrote: »

Yea looking forward to congress 2022 , the splitting Dublin in 4 followers
will be drying there eyes .

Let's see. Change is definitely coming, we'll just have to wait to find out what that is. One things for sure, not many in the GAA world will be left unaware of the level of funding disparity in Dublin's favour for the past 2 decades and the resources they now possess. The near 100 titles Dublin GAA have won since 2002 will forever be associated with the funding disparity.

superbluedub

Enquiring wrote: »

Let's see. Change is definitely coming, we'll just have to wait to find out what that is. One things for sure, not many in the GAA world will be left unaware of the level of funding disparity in Dublin's favour for the past 2 decades and the resources they now possess. The near 100 titles Dublin GAA have won since 2002 will forever be associated with the funding disparity.

Yes absolutely lets wait and see , nothing will change due to the opinions of the split Dublin in 4 followers on boards.ie thats for sure , cant wait for it actually .

Rosita

Enquiring wrote: »

Basically you're picking something out of thin air with nothing at all to back it up. A sure sign of a weak defense.

It's an opinion as to what might happen. That's all. It hard to back up a supposition about the future with hard facts. You are entitled to explain why you think it wouldn't happen.

ArielAtom

ShyMets wrote: »

No it has not. Beyond posting on Boards you have never specifically outlined what you are doing to effect change.

It's the ultimate in whataboutery!!!!! Never answers a question. Rinse n repeat. All their arguments have been busted, a bit like Connellan and his ill prepared debate that he was unable to get to congress this year because of poor planning. But it is amusing to watch the ramblings of a few people on a chat forum who honestly think that posting here is going to affect a decision made at congress. Being a member of the GAA is a start. Some are even to ashamed of their own county to admit where they are from.

Enquiring

Rosita wrote: »

It's an opinion as to what might happen. That's all. It hard to back up a supposition about the future with hard facts. You are entitled to explain why you think it wouldn't happen.

Your opinion is that Dublin will cease to dominate the football championship as one county despite ever increasing resources yet you think the 4 counties after the split will dominate. I don't think much explanation is needed to dispute that in fairness.

Enquiring

ArielAtom wrote: »

It's the ultimate in whataboutery!!!!! Never answers a question. Rinse n repeat. All their arguments have been busted, a bit like Connellan and his ill prepared debate that he was unable to get to congress this year because of poor planning. But it is amusing to watch the ramblings of a few people on a chat forum who honestly think that posting here is going to affect a decision made at congress. Being a member of the GAA is a start. Some are even to ashamed of their own county to admit where they are from.

You're the poster who claimed the funding was just for primary school children and was only in operation from 2007-2017. And you're talking about ill prepared and busted? Priceless.

ShyMets

Enquiring wrote: »

You're the poster who claimed the funding was just for primary school children and was only in operation from 2007-2017. And you're talking about ill prepared and busted? Priceless.

And yet you are the poster who refuses to answer some of the simple questions which have been put to you

Enquiring

It's obvious that the funding talk really stings some Dublin supporters. If it didn't, why would they abuse people and throw their toys out of the pram when this gets raised by anyone in the media? What needs to be pointed out is that this is not an attack on Dublin, splitting Dublin is necessary for the health of our games and it has huge benefits for Gaelic games in our capital as well.

Obviously with the true extent of the funding disparity revealed, some will put an asterisk beside titles won by teams under the Dublin GAA banner. It definitely takes away from any titles won, that's for sure but it's no excuse to abuse these people. They didn't force Dublin to take the money and had no role in awarding it. The anger should be directed at those behind the decision.

ShyMets

Enquiring wrote: »

It's obvious that the funding talk really stings some Dublin supporters. If it didn't, why would they abuse people and throw their toys out of the pram when this gets raised by anyone in the media? What needs to be pointed out is that this is not an attack on Dublin, splitting Dublin is necessary for the health of our games and it has huge benefits for Gaelic games in our capital as well.

Obviously with the true extent of the funding disparity revealed, some will put an asterisk beside titles won by teams under the Dublin GAA banner. It definitely takes away from any titles won, that's for sure but it's no excuse to abuse these people. They didn't force Dublin to take the money and had no role in awarding it. The anger should be directed at those behind the decision.

Personally I'm not stung or throwing toys out of a pram. As I've stated before I can see Dublin being spilt and amalgamations happening.

I can also see the GAA becoming semi pro.

Rosita

Enquiring wrote: »

Your opinion is that Dublin will cease to dominate the football championship as one county despite ever increasing resources yet you think the 4 counties after the split will dominate. I don't think much explanation is needed to dispute that in fairness.

I never suggested that Dublin will cease to dominate. I just think that Dublin might lose occasionally in the future and another team outside of Dublin could win the championship. I think if you have four teams in Dublin it's very hard to imagine, given how poor most county teams are, that this possibility isn't reduced. To make it less abstract, you would probably move Galway from maybe seventh best team in the country to eleventh best at the stroke of a pen by creating four teams in Dublin. By all means support the creation of four teams in Dublin, but don't delude yourself about the consequences in competition terms.

Enquiring

ShyMets wrote: »

Personally I'm not stung or throwing toys out of a pram. As I've stated before I can see Dublin being spilt and amalgamations happening.

I can also see the GAA becoming semi pro.

I'm not saying every Dublin supporter starts abusing people but it's a significant number. If an argument can't be formed without resorting to abuse then it really is not much of an argument.

Enquiring

Rosita wrote: »

I never suggested that Dublin will cease to dominate. I just think that Dublin might lose occasionally in the future and another team outside of Dublin could win the championship. I think if you have four teams in Dublin it's very hard to imagine, given how poor most county teams are, that this possibility isn't reduced. To make it less abstract, you would probably move Galway from maybe seventh best team in the country to eleventh best at the stroke of a pen by creating four teams in Dublin. By all means support the creation of four teams in Dublin, but don't delude yourself about the consequences in competition terms.

You missed the part where every county will be given appropriate funding? We have seen the difference it makes to the standards of counties that would be considered minnows. Dublin hurlers would be considered so prior to the funding. Only one title across the board in the 20 years prior to funding, they won 14 titles at club and inter county level post funding. That would have been unthinkable pre cash injection. The same will happen if teams are given resources. And that's just for minnows, the middle ranked teams will also rise.

superbluedub

Enquiring wrote: »

It's obvious that the funding talk really stings some Dublin supporters. If it didn't, why would they abuse people and throw their toys out of the pram when this gets raised by anyone in the media? What needs to be pointed out is that this is not an attack on Dublin, splitting Dublin is necessary for the health of our games and it has huge benefits for Gaelic games in our capital as well.

Obviously with the true extent of the funding disparity revealed, some will put an asterisk beside titles won by teams under the Dublin GAA banner. It definitely takes away from any titles won, that's for sure but it's no excuse to abuse these people. They didn't force Dublin to take the money and had no role in awarding it. The anger should be directed at those behind the decision.

Its also obvious the the split Dublin in 4 followers , dont like hearing the so called split will not happen for a very long time if ever and get very sulky when they hear how good this Dublin team is. .

tritium

Enquiring wrote: »

It's obvious that the funding talk really stings some Dublin supporters. If it didn't, why would they abuse people and throw their toys out of the pram when this gets raised by anyone in the media? What needs to be pointed out is that this is not an attack on Dublin, splitting Dublin is necessary for the health of our games and it has huge benefits for Gaelic games in our capital as well.

Obviously with the true extent of the funding disparity revealed, some will put an asterisk beside titles won by teams under the Dublin GAA banner. It definitely takes away from any titles won, that's for sure but it's no excuse to abuse these people. They didn't force Dublin to take the money and had no role in awarding it. The anger should be directed at those behind the decision.

On twenty years time the record books will list this dublin team as the greatest Gaelic football team of all time

No asterix, No footnotes

Simply the best, a team that none of their peers could match and one that changed the way the game is played for the better. A mix of incredible skill and resilience that made their own success story on the field of play

Rosita

Enquiring wrote: »

You missed the part where every county will be given appropriate funding? We have seen the difference it makes to the standards of counties that would be considered minnows.

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Counties? Which counties?

tritium

Enquiring wrote: »

You missed the part where every county will be given appropriate funding? We have seen the difference it makes to the standards of counties that would be considered minnows. Dublin hurlers would be considered so prior to the funding. Only one title across the board in the 20 years prior to funding, they won 14 titles at club and inter county level post funding. That would have been unthinkable pre cash injection. The same will happen if teams are given resources. And that's just for minnows, the middle ranked teams will also rise.

You’re a bit late on the appropriate funding, the GAA have been putting that in place for a number of years now! -118 gd personell for the rest of Leinster and rising, millions of euros invested by the GAA. I reckon we’ll see the improvement in Leinster soon enough for example and also in the north through gaelfest. I for one can’t wait, new challenges for this dublin team to face and grow from. I hope they pass with flying colours just as they have time and again against Mayo Kerry and Tyrone, but I know at the same time the margins will keep getting finer

ArielAtom

superbluedub wrote: »

Its also obvious the the split Dublin in 4 followers , dont like hearing the so called split will not happen for a very long time if ever and get very sulky when they hear how good this Dublin team is. .

I see the post you are responding to has resorted to accusing Dublin supporters of abusing people. Really sinking to the bottom of the barrel with this form of personal accusations against Dublin supporters. Says more about the base of their argument than anything else. Play the ball not the man.

ooter

Rosita wrote: »

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Counties? Which counties?

Dublin senior hurlers are apparently a force now, 20 years of dedicated funding and professional coaching and they lost to laois in 2019

Enquiring

tritium wrote: »

On twenty years time the record books will list this dublin team as the greatest Gaelic football team of all time

No asterix, No footnotes

Simply the best, a team that none of their peers could match and one that changed the way the game is played for the better. A mix of incredible skill and resilience that made their own success story on the field of play

Well of course you'll say that but there are others that will say the asterisk will remain there and use the evidence that it wasn't just the Dublin footballers. It was across the board. Dublin ladies, men's hurlers, underage hurling and football, club hurling and football, they all improved when enormous funding came on board. It's hard to deny the link there.

Fann Linn

Enquiring wrote: »

Well of course you'll say that but there are others that will say the asterisk will remain there and use the evidence that it wasn't just the Dublin footballers. It was across the board. Dublin ladies, men's hurlers, underage hurling and football, club hurling and football, they all improved when enormous funding came on board. It's hard to deny the link there.

Is there an asterisk there now?

Enquiring

tritium wrote: »

You’re a bit late on the appropriate funding, the GAA have been putting that in place for a number of years now! -118 gd personell for the rest of Leinster and rising, millions of euros invested by the GAA. I reckon we’ll see the improvement in Leinster soon enough for example and also in the north through gaelfest. I for one can’t wait, new challenges for this dublin team to face and grow from. I hope they pass with flying colours just as they have time and again against Mayo Kerry and Tyrone, but I know at the same time the margins will keep getting finer

As we've discussed, it's limited to a few counties including Dublin. Strange that you think it will have an effect on elite levels in other counties though, you don't think it helped Dublin at all.

Enquiring

ArielAtom wrote: »

I see the post you are responding to has resorted to accusing Dublin supporters of abusing people. Really sinking to the bottom of the barrel with this form of personal accusations against Dublin supporters. Says more about the base of their argument than anything else. Play the ball not the man.

Didn't John Connellan have to block you on twitter? You were far from the only one. Anyone who dares speak of the over funding of Dublin gets abuse directed at them.

tritium

Enquiring wrote: »

As we've discussed, it's limited to a few counties including Dublin. Strange that you think it will have an effect on elite levels in other counties though, you don't think it helped Dublin at all.

I’m just following the logical steps of your argument. Obviously it doesn’t work perfectly, for example Kildare or Meath failed to win an all ireland in 2014, ie before the project started, but we’ll put that down to this exceptional dublin team mastering time travel ahead of schedule

Enquiring

tritium wrote: »

I’m just following the logical steps of your argument. Obviously it doesn’t work perfectly, for example Kildare or Meath failed to win an all ireland in 2014, ie before the project started, but we’ll put that down to this exceptional dublin team mastering time travel ahead of schedule

You can see standards improving in the few counties receiving extra funding soon. But you deny the improvements caused by the over funding of Dublin for 2 decades

I think that says it all about your argument.

dobman88

Enquiring wrote: »

Didn't John Connellan have to block you on twitter? You were far from the only one. Anyone who dares speak of the over funding of Dublin gets abuse directed at them.

How many did John block and why isn't he interested in a debate? Is it because he is consistently ill prepared?

tritium

Enquiring wrote: »

You can see standards improving in the few counties receiving extra funding soon. But you deny the improvements caused by the over funding of Dublin for 2 decades

I think that says it all about your argument.

Your argument defies the laws of physics

I think that says it all about your argument

Enquiring

dobman88 wrote: »

How many did John block and why isn't he interested in a debate? Is it because he is consistently ill prepared?

You would have to ask John Connellan. I'm sure you condemn the abuse he's received though? He shouldn't have to block people on Twitter for voicing his opinion.

Enquiring

tritium wrote: »

Your argument defies the laws of physics

I think that says it all about your argument

So does games development funding assist elite development or not? You're all over the place here.

ooter

If it does we will surely see Meath or Kildare in an all Ireland final in the next 2/3 years.

tritium

dobman88 wrote: »

How many did John block and why isn't he interested in a debate? Is it because he is consistently ill prepared?

Probably, in one report he claimed that

"The current GAA player experience and pathway of a child in a school or club in Dublin is so far superior, they are disproportionately funded per head compared to a child in a school or club in Athlone or Tullamore," he said.

"Why is that acceptable? All we're asking for is that no longer are the Dublin schools funded so disproportionately at the expense of the clubs and schools down the country.

Even though it’s pretty easy to show that per capita (which mentioning schools implies) dublin receive less than the rest of Leinster. I dont doubt John knows that given the career he has so he either hasn’t done his homework or is deliberately misrepresenting things.

dobman88

Enquiring wrote: »

You would have to ask John Connellan. I'm sure you condemn the abuse he's received though? He shouldn't have to block people on Twitter for voicing his opinion.

Well you just said he had to block plenty of people so why say it if you dont know? I'm sure he has better things to do than to reply to me on Twitter.

You seem to speak for other posters a lot. I dont know if he has received abuse. What I do know is he blocked a poster from here for asking why he was ill prepared in an important debate, that doesn't constitute abuse surely? Asking a simple question.

He doesn't need to block anyone that just disagrees with him either tho. If he does get abuse, that person deserves to be blocked, yes.

ooter

The 2017 figures I saw on another forum showed that the total grant divided by total population of 5-14 year olds was €8.20 per head, Dublin received €7.60 per head

ArielAtom

dobman88 wrote: »

How many did John block and why isn't he interested in a debate? Is it because he is consistently ill prepared?

Connellan did block me. There was zero abuse as alluded by another poster, Connellan just was not up for logical debate. But to use the angle that I abused Connellan suits the other posters rhetoric. The arguments are now a busted flush.

JeffKenna

ArielAtom wrote: »

Connellan did block me. There was zero abuse as alluded by another poster, Connellan just was not up for logical debate. But to use the angle that I abused Connellan suits the other posters rhetoric. The arguments are now a busted flush.

Are you not the person who keeps saying Croke Park isn't Dublin's home ground?
As Rebelgirl said in a previous post, the way to make changes is go through the GAA process, which is what he's doing.

Enquiring

dobman88 wrote: »

Well you just said he had to block plenty of people so why say it if you dont know? I'm sure he has better things to do than to reply to me on Twitter.

You seem to speak for other posters a lot. I dont know if he has received abuse. What I do know is he blocked a poster from here for asking why he was ill prepared in an important debate, that doesn't constitute abuse surely? Asking a simple question.

He doesn't need to block anyone that just disagrees with him either tho. If he does get abuse, that person deserves to be blocked, yes.

He blocked people for abuse he was receiving. That's not right. There's no way of dressing that up.

ArielAtom

JeffKenna wrote: »

Are you not the person who keeps saying Croke Park isn't Dublin's home ground?
As Rebelgirl said in a previous post, the way to make changes is go through the GAA process, which is what he's doing. I highly doubt he has time to be debating with trolls online.

Cheers Jeff, I am always guaranteed a response from you at some stage.

Enquiring

tritium wrote: »

Probably, in one report he claimed that


Even though it’s pretty easy to show that per capita (which mentioning schools implies) dublin receive less than the rest of Leinster. I dont doubt John knows that given the career he has so he either hasn’t done his homework or is deliberately misrepresenting things.

The East Leinster project doesn't include Offaly or Westmeath and the funding was never done on a per capita basis.

JeffKenna

ArielAtom wrote: »

Cheers Jeff, I am always guaranteed a response from you at some stage.

No offense intended by the way.

Enquiring

ArielAtom wrote: »

Connellan did block me. There was zero abuse as alluded by another poster, Connellan just was not up for logical debate. But to use the angle that I abused Connellan suits the other posters rhetoric. The arguments are now a busted flush.

You can't even respond to any of my posts because of the schooling you received earlier in the thread. The lack of condemnation of the abuse John Connellan has received is very telling here.