All-Ireland SFC Final 2019.- Dublin V Kerry - Read Mod Note in Post #1

Bonniedog

Clever as in cheat. Yeah, fair enough. Wrong match up for Dublin. Need to sort your man out early, Dublin were too nice in first half guessing the ref's bias due to the campaign against him. Didn't make any difference. Might as well walk for a decisive intervention as has been done before.

Would expect to see a more robust response from start next time.

Snow Garden

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Clifford being young doesn’t make it a free out. It was a crazy foul to commit in the circumstances and Cooper was sent off, end of. He was getting absolutely roasted and he lost the head.

Yeah I totally agree. Cooper was an idiot. He deserved it 100%.
I would drop him for the final replay.

rgace

STB. wrote: »

It was a reckless pull down by O'Sullivan on Small, and it happened only moments after being carded for a reckless challenge on O Callaghan.

It was a yellow. A second one. Gough bottled it. He was reaching for the card almost immediately, then started faffing about with his notebook. There was 20 minutes to go at that stage.


No consistency, but sure who knows what was going through Gough's head.

Pull down my hole, I think I will now out of this thread now. The inability of people to just watch a replay and admit what they see is astounding.

One arm pulled/held him and the forward threw himself to the air/ground.

Hammer Archer

corny wrote: »

Cooper played at the ball and Clifford played the man. Neither was in possession so the stuff about shielding is rubbish. Clifford went out of his way to take Cooper out.

Ah now.
Clifford was out ahead of Cooper and used his body to shield the ball from Cooper as every single good forward would do (and something Dublin forwards regularly do). Cooper realized this too late and knew that Clifford was away from him and, as a result, pulled him to the ground. It's a blatant free and yellow card. How anyone can even begin to suggest that it should have been a free the other way is mind boggling.

O'Sullivan was booked for a similar foul to Cooper's foul for the penalty (Cooper was not booked for his). Small made the absolute most of O'Sullivan's second foul. It was not as bad as Cooper's sending off offence and a ticking was sufficient.
I'm not Gough's biggest fan. I don't think he's a great referee and the best thing about him being a Meath man is that we don't get him for games (though my own club have been on the receiving end more than once). But he had a good game and got pretty much all the big decisions spot on. Gave a few soft frees and let a few fouls go, but that was pretty much it. Cluxton was way off his line for the penalty but this rule is pretty much always ignored in football.

rgace

ClanofLams wrote: »

Would be an extremely harsh yellow imo.


https://twitter.com/shanesaint/status/1168276863179022336?s=21

Just in case anybody missed this aggressive pull down!

Bonniedog

Well, Meath got the draw, so well done Hammer :-)

BarryD2

Missed the game due to other commitments. From a neutrals POV, was it a great game or just a good competitive game?

The_Honeybadger

rgace wrote: »

Just in case anybody missed this aggressive pull down!

Clear dive. Not sure what people are complaining about.

The diving and feigning was going on from both sides yesterday and is something that needs to be dealt with by the GAA. A yellow card for some of the offenders might act as a deterrent.

Bob Harris

BarryD2 wrote: »

Missed the game due to other commitments. From a neutrals POV, was it a great game or just a good competitive game?

Good entertaining game, the last 15-20 mins were nudging into 'great' if only for the drama with the result in the balance.

99problems1

BarryD2 wrote: »

Missed the game due to other commitments. From a neutrals POV, was it a great game or just a good competitive game?

It wasn't a great game quality wise. There wasn't many great scores.

Cluxtons save onto the crossbar, Spillanes point were the highlights I would say.

Was tense though considering it was so tight.

coolshannagh28

The replay is something to look forward to , Kerrys young lads will improve from the final experience and their forwards will not misfire as much again, Dublin will keep 15 on the pitch so it should be an even match up .

Hammer Archer

Bonniedog wrote: »

Well, Meath got the draw, so well done Hammer :-)

Again, I've no love for Gough. I don't base my opinions on the game on where the referee is from. But he had a decent game. That would be my opinion regardless of his county.

blanch152

rgace wrote: »

One arm pulled/held him and the forward threw himself to the air/ground.

Are you talking about the second Cooper card or the second one that O'Sullivan should have got?

That description applies equally to both incidents and that is where the problem lies. One got a card, the other didn't.

blanch152

99problems1 wrote: »

It wasn't a great game quality wise. There wasn't many great scores.

Cluxtons save onto the crossbar, Spillanes point were the highlights I would say.

Was tense though considering it was so tight.

The McCaffrey goal was the highpoint quality-wise, from the kick-out onwards.

99problems1

Looking at that Kerry "second yellow" again it looks awful for the Dub.

How on earth do you get swung around just by an arm left around the rib cage.

This rubbish has come into the game too much and the Dubs do it all game.

Look at no.7's right leg go up in the air and forward while at the same time his head and shoulders flop to the left and back.

Bonniedog

blanch152 wrote: »

Are you talking about the second Cooper card or the second one that O'Sullivan should have got?

That description applies equally to both incidents and that is where the problem lies. One got a card, the other didn't.

QED, as your man Euclid used to say.

Snow Garden

99problems1 wrote: »

Cluxtons save onto the crossbar, Spillanes point were the highlights I would say.

McCaffrey, a half back in a 14 man team scored points off off his left foot, his right foot and his fist. He also scored a fabulous goal. That was the highlight for me.

When will we ever see that again in an All Ireland final? Never.

Fr Tod Umptious

BarryD2 wrote: »

Missed the game due to other commitments. From a neutrals POV, was it a great game or just a good competitive game?

It was compelling.

Sure there were bad shots, poor turnovers etc but 5 in a row looked like it could have been once again denied, it was edge of the seat stuff.

C__MC

I'm not sure on reflection how good the Kerry showing was

I mean geaney and Clifford were very poor, they couldn't pounce on 14 men and their kickouts were shocking

The game was done but for their keeper clawing the ball back into play and David Byrne misjudging the ball

Kerry hit a purple patch between 55 and 64 but wilted afterwards badly.

There footballing ability as always does keep them alive. Naturally good footballers who can pounce at any time, always been a trademark of the kingdom even when they are at their lowest ebb.

They won midfield hands down and done really to float back players to black space on mannion and con

Dublins inability to curb the space at the opposite end was a problem as was there problem on putting pressure out the field.

For Dublin to get the draw with 14 men and being off the pace, they'll be delighted.

Shades of 2014 hurling me thinks, tipp all over kk the first day but missed the boat

df02169

Ha ha. I'm loving the Dublin whining about the ref. Of course, those whines are legitimate, unlike the phantom 45 and game winning decision in 2016 which are Kerry sour grapes and/or propaganda.

Hard to see past Dublin for the replay. They were coasting for long stretches of that second half.

Bonniedog

Eh, who was whining about the ref ???????

The_Honeybadger

Bonniedog wrote: »

Eh, who was whining about the ref ???????

About half the posts in here are about the ref, many coming with ludicrous interpretations of the rules. My favourite is that Coopers second yellow was a free out!

robbiezero

C__MC wrote: »

I'm not sure on reflection how good the Kerry showing was

I mean geaney and Clifford were very poor, they couldn't pounce on 14 men and their kickouts were shocking

The game was done but for their keeper clawing the ball back into play and David Byrne misjudging the ball

Kerry hit a purple patch between 55 and 64 but wilted afterwards badly.

There footballing ability as always does keep them alive. Naturally good footballers who can pounce at any time, always been a trademark of the kingdom even when they are at their lowest ebb.

They won midfield hands down and done really to float back players to black space on mannion and con

Dublins inability to curb the space at the opposite end was a problem as was there problem on putting pressure out the field.

For Dublin to get the draw with 14 men and being off the pace, they'll be delighted.

Shades of 2014 hurling me thinks, tipp all over kk the first day but missed the boat

Shades of 2009 for me. Missed goal chances costing dearly, but possibly at least a sign that a team is stepping up to the plate to take on the Dubs (a la Tipp v KK in 2009).
Dubs should win the replay, although as you say, it wasn't a case of the underdog playing massively above themselves, there is plenty of potential for improvement for Kerry also. Think they had 5 points out of 14 chances at one stage in the first half which is abysmal for a forward line of their quality.

df02169

Bonniedog wrote: »

No penalty, free out for Cooper's sending off, O'Sullivan should have gone.

I thought he was ok, if inconsistent. Few soft ones for both sides, few missed ones for both sides. Cooper and O'Sullivan decisions spot on in my opinion.

Poor_old_gill

Lets hope Dublin start Cooper the next day and maybe bring in Paddy Small too

99problems1

Snow Garden wrote: »

McCaffrey, a half back in a 14 man team scored points off off his left foot, his right foot and his fist. He also scored a fabulous goal. That was the highlight for me.

When will we ever see that again in an All Ireland final? Never.

Number on the back means nothing.

Sure Kilkenny was in his own half back line passing it backwards.

beggars_bush

Most observers of gaelic would know that Cooper had been getting away with poor tackling for years.
about time he was punished and I wouldn't be surprised to see him dropped for the replay
Gavin was very slow on the line and should have hauled him off and Small was on dodgy ground too

I'd love to see someone give MDM a boot up the hole when he stands in front of a free to stop it being taken quickly. He must do this 5/6 times a game and gets away with it constantly

I've never seen Clifford so poor and Geaney too. Maybe the nerves got to them.

Hammer Archer

Bonniedog wrote: »

Eh, who was whining about the ref ???????

Y'wha??? Jaysus Bonnie, yer memory's going

Bonniedog wrote: »

No penalty, free out for Cooper's sending off, O'Sullivan should have gone.
...
Let's hope a decent ref like Lane gets the replay, They'll probably be whinging about that because he's from Cork.

Bonniedog wrote: »

Meathman was psyched out, which is only human.

Ce la vie.

Hopefully a neutral ref next day :-)

Is it only whinging when non-Dublin fans do it?

homerjay2005

Bonniedog wrote: »

Eh, who was whining about the ref ???????

i didnt meet one dublin fan last night who wasnt blaming gough. just on the Johnny Cooper thing -

he should have given away a penalty in the first 6 mins - he dragged Sean O Shea to the ground, for those who say otherwise look at the main picture of the incident on the front page of the RTE GAA section.

he then gave away a penalty, then another foul. he then gave away a 3rd and was booked and you could clearly see the ref said thats your 3rd (it was actually his 4th but he got away with the first 1).

he then fouled again and was sent off. Jim Gavin should have taken him off well before that.

the ironic thing however is that Dublin fans are moaning about Tom Sullivan commiting 2 fouls. applying the same logic then, Cooper should actually have been sent off after 12 minutes and not 34.

Fan of Netflix

There was a big Dublin fan on RTE blaming the referee. His name is Joe Brolly.

Collie D

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

There was a big Dublin fan on RTE blaming the referee. His name is Joe Brolly.

Don’t be lumping him in with us.

Snow Garden

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

About half the posts in here are about the ref, many coming with ludicrous interpretations of the rules. My favourite is that Coopers second yellow was a free out!

but but Clifford had the cheek to use his body to shield a ball. Surely a straight red for Clifford?

Bonniedog

You are missing the point.

Which side tried to influence the ref BEFORE the game, and got all the crucial calls in the first half?

Not moaning. Merely stating fact.

Bonniedog

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

There was a big Dublin fan on RTE blaming the referee. His name is Joe Brolly.

You were watching Arsenal. Off with you lad...

castletownman

I can't believe Dublin fans are still adamant that Cooper shouldn't have walked. It was a blessing in disguise really as he was getting destroyed.

And they clearly have short memories if they think that Dublin players don't exaggerate fouls now and again. Sure Mannion was clearly hit by a sniper in the crowd that time he 'collapsed' in the Leinster final. Them Meath hoors would do anything to get one over on Dublin clearly.

Forge83

Is this also not a penalty from Cooper again?

keane2097

Forge83 wrote: »

Is this also not a penalty from Cooper again?

Free out.

The_Honeybadger

keane2097 wrote: »

Free out.

LOL!!

Bonniedog

Goalkeepers elbowing forwards in the head doesn't count either, well not for the Meath county board umpires anyway.

Meath county board be huge Dubs by the way for anyone lacking local knowledge :-)

Wait til you hear the whinging when Lane gets the replay because he is from Cork.

Some people have no fkn personal insight.

keane2097

What's that rattling noise?

C__MC

If con o callaghan had buried that goal chance late in the first half, it could have been done

Is the blanket defence still the best way to curb Dublin?
Worked a treat yesterday with pressure out the field

df02169

Bonniedog wrote: »

Merely stating fact.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fact

Bridge93

127 pages of comments is good going for a game that supposedly no neutrals were interested in

Titzon Toast

Bridge93 wrote: »

127 pages of comments is good going for a game that supposedly no neutrals were interested in

Sure there's 163 pages in the "Dominance" thread. That's a whole lot of bitterness in in a spot.
If we win the replay, it will melt down.

Hammer Archer

Bonniedog wrote: »

You are missing the point.

Which side tried to influence the ref BEFORE the game, and got all the crucial calls in the first half?

Not moaning. Merely stating fact.

Importantly, he got all the crucial calls correct in the first half in my view (unless you count not spotting Cluxton coming off his line which he technically got wrong).

homerjay2005

C__MC wrote: »

If con o callaghan had buried that goal chance late in the first half, it could have been done

what about the 5 goal chances Kerry had, 3 of which came before Coopers sending off?

99problems1

Have to say the way they played off Tommy Walsh was super. They didn't do it enough. He's always looking for the layoff, very unselfish player.

They should have went long much more in the last 10/15 minutes. David Moran doesn't inspire me with confidence on the ball, he took it into contact too much.

munster87

99problems1 wrote: »

Have to say the way they played off Tommy Walsh was super. They didn't do it enough. He's always looking for the layoff, very unselfish player.

They should have went long much more in the last 10/15 minutes. David Moran doesn't inspire me with confidence on the ball, he took it into contact too much.

Moran was doing that against Tyrone too, running at other players when absolutely no need to.

Poor_old_gill

I thought Moran was superb yesterday, absolutely superb.

He only got turned over once- sometimes you have to take the ball into contact and back yourself to break yet line in order to make an overlap option.

He was easily the best midfielder on show yesterday

ClanofLams

Bonniedog wrote: »

Goalkeepers elbowing forwards in the head doesn't count either, well not for the Meath county board umpires anyway.

Meath county board be huge Dubs by the way for anyone lacking local knowledge :-)

Wait til you hear the whinging when Lane gets the replay because he is from Cork.

Some people have no fkn personal insight.

Your own whinging and general posting such as references to ‘boy wonder’ etc have been utterly cringeworthy.