My idea. Can a modern human survive in 10000 BC

Was thinking this, would a modern person be able to survive or even thrive of you found yourself in the past?
Was reading about how the Egyptians made the pyramid and thought would wonder how would I fare if I went back in time.

What do you think would help of it happened?

Ten of Swords

I wonder what would get you first, starvation/hunger or extreme internet deficiency

touts

Sure wouldnt all the hipsters be grand with their caveman beards and Paelo diets.

Paddy Cow

Not a chance. I couldn't even make a basic fire without firelighters and a lighter.

i'd be fecked

Galwayguy35

The average Joe Soap wouldn't have a hope of surviving.

Living in a cave during the Ice Age and having to go out and kill something every day for food and also avoid becoming some predators dinner, most of us would be dead in a day.

wally79

Can I bring some guns?

Insect Overlord

Learning one of those proto-languages would be pure awkward too.

wally79

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Learning one of those proto-languages would be pure awkward too.

Probably wouldn’t be an issue after you infect the entire population with some modern bug

Irishphotodesk

Skyrimaddict wrote: »

Was thinking this, would a modern person be able to survive or even thrive of you found yourself in the past?
Was reading about how the Egyptians made the pyramid and thought would wonder how would I fare if I went back in time.

What do you think would help of it happened?

That depends on if you believe the history we are told [takes off tinfoil hat]

This is it

Did they have quick charge back then?

Dr Bob

Get a copy of this book and you're laughing..
How to Invent Everything: A Survival Guide for the Stranded Time Traveler https://g.co/kgs/4fQ3vV

Actually get it anyway as its really good!

peasant

If I could arrive fully clothed and with bag full of basic tools (firelighter, knife, saw, axe, rope..that kinda thing) I might perhaps stand the tiniest of chances.

Fall out of the sky naked as a babe...I'd give myself about a day and a night...or the appearance of a sabre tooth tiger...whichever comes first

Woke Hogan

I think would be fine. To be honest, basic survivalist skills aren't as difficult as people would think. It might suit some of you to give making a fire out in the wild a go, rather than sitting on your arses on the computer all day.

Then it would be a simple matter of integrating into a local tribe by learning their language, assuming I wouldn't immediately be sold into slavery or murdered by anyone I encountered.

4068ac1elhodqr

TV show: Naked & Afraid (DMAX) does exactly this (in approximation).

Find a fresh water source, improvise boots of palm leaves & twine, start a friction soapstone fire, lash up a quick A-frame/lean shelter, pick up split flint and bigstick (ideally viable as an atlatl), then go bate something furry. Drag it back, cook it and wear it as a nice jumper & hat.

Day two, upgrade to nicer cave, use the jumper and some berries as a gift to a suitable healthy seed carrying vessel. Craft a wooden flute to romance this Cavelady with melodic renditions of boyzone-esq tunes and chest beating. Later initiate propogation under a starry sky, (but not until the 3rd cave-date), after a session of charcoal cave wall painting.

Woke Hogan

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I think would be fine. To be honest, basic survivalist skills aren't as difficult as people would think. It might suit some of you to give making a fire out in the wild a go, rather than sitting on your arses on the computer all day.

Then it would be a simple matter of integrating into a local tribe by learning their language, assuming I wouldn't immediately be sold into slavery or murdered by anyone I encountered.

i'm alright with just playing some beat saber ta

Sleeper12

Skyrimaddict wrote: »

Was thinking this, would a modern person be able to survive or even thrive of you found yourself in the past?
Was reading about how the Egyptians made the pyramid and thought would wonder how would I fare if I went back in time.

What do you think would help of it happened?

I've been to Egypt. Modern Egyptians can't safeguard the pyramids let alone build them. They definitely aren't the descendants of the pyramid builders. More likely the descendants of the tomb rubbers.

Feisar

We are pack/social creatures. Since anyone dropped back 12000 years ago wouldn’t have a hope in fitting in I’d say survivability would be close to zero.

Capt'n Midnight

Ten of Swords wrote: »

I wonder what would get you first, starvation/hunger or extreme internet deficiency

Smallpox probably.

We had malaria here back in Cromwell's time.

And bears and wolves. Wolves generally don't go for people but Irish ones did.

Worldwide lots more big critters. Even if the wouldn't eat you, they wouldn't be as afraid and might decide to take a shortcut through you.

Or just infection from a bad cut.

Or drinking the water, though 10,000 BC it wouldn't be too bad.


No health and safety back then.

No police.

Depending on where you were human might have been on the menu.


Starvation could just be a matter of bad timing. In a good year there'd be tough times. In a bad year ...

Ten of Swords

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

No health and safety back then..

:eek:




Op, it seems the Natufians would have been one of the more advanced civilizations around that time period so make sure you zap yourself back to what is now Israel and you'll be fine

Capt'n Midnight

wally79 wrote: »

Can I bring some guns?

Yeah sure knock your self out.




Useless without bullets. Or a way to make them. Or tools to repair and adjust the guns.

And they'd get taken off you the first time you fell asleep.

TheRepentent

Tiana Teeny Goggles wrote: »

Day two, upgrade to nicer cave, use the jumper and some berries as a gift to a suitable healthy seed carrying vessel. Craft a wooden flute to romance this Cavelady with melodic renditions of boyzone-esq tunes and chest beating. Later initiate propogation under a starry sky, (but not until the 3rd cave-date), after a session of charcoal cave wall painting.

Never seen that in Naked and Afraid:eek:

jaxxx

No way in hell were the pyramids built by humans alone. Look at the size of some of those stones, even modern technology would struggle to move the largest of them. Aliens, definitely aliens.

ever not always

Woke Hogan

bluewolf wrote: »

i'm alright with just playing some beat saber ta

What?

biko

I'd be dead before nightfall.

I can barely survive in 2019 AD.

gozunda

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I've been to Egypt. Modern Egyptians can't safeguard the pyramids let alone build them. They definitely aren't the descendants of the pyramid builders. More likely the descendants of the tomb rubbers .

...did they rub out some pyramids or ?

Upforthematch

A modern irish human couldn't survive with an indigenous tribe living in 2019 never mind 10000bc. Imagine no internet, no Tesco, no dishwasher!!!

Your Face

As long as I find the Monolith before everyone else.

kneemos

Would it be that much different from ending up living on the street?
You wouldn't need to kill, gut and cook your food, but there would be predators and disease.

Ten of Swords

kneemos wrote: »

Would it be that much different from ending up living on the street?

Yes, immeasurably different

Paddy Cow

kneemos wrote: »

Would it be that much different from ending up living on the street?
You wouldn't need to kill, gut and cook your food, but there would be predators and disease.

It would be much different. People survive on the street by begging or using services provided by homeless charities. If you suddenly found yourself in a time warp and managed to stumble across a tribe of people, you'd be lucky if they didn't kill you on the spot. Even if they did accept you, life would be incredibly difficult. If you managed to take care of your physical needs, safety would be a big issue. No tetanus or antibiotics mean even something simply now, would be the end of you back then.

The chan chan man

Probably have a better chance of getting me hole anyway

corner of hells

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I think would be fine. To be honest, basic survivalist skills aren't as difficult as people would think. It might suit some of you to give making a fire out in the wild a go, rather than sitting on your arses on the computer all day.
;
Then it would be a simple matter of integrating into a local tribe by learning their language, assuming I wouldn't immediately be sold into slavery or murdered by anyone I encountered.

Most likely , one of us would kill you about twenty minutes after meeting you.

Id probably skin you and make a nice hat and coat out of you.

corner of hells

corner of hells wrote: »

Most likely , one of us would kill you about twenty minutes after meeting you.

Id probably skin you and make a nice hat and coat out of you.

ehhhh

gozunda

Upforthematch wrote: »

A modern irish human couldn't survive with an indigenous tribe living in 2019 never mind 10000bc. Imagine no internet, no Tesco, no dishwasher!!!

Not a bother tbh. I primarily grew up in an era where there were fek all modern conviencies. I reckon the only trouble with time travel is that our modern gut binome couldnt cope with the differences with enteric bacteria of then and now ...

Black Swan

Skyrimaddict wrote: »

Was thinking this, would a modern person be able to survive or even thrive of you found yourself in the past?

"First Agricultural Revolution [was] the transformation of human societies from hunting and gathering to farming. This transition occurred worldwide between 10,000 BC and 2000 BC." Homo sapiens skeletons date to nearly 200,000 years ago in Africa. So in terms of development, modern humans existed as a species way before 10,000 BC, and were developing agriculture, which allowed for surplus food and evolving social organisation. So the potential for today's person (generally speaking) to survive during 10,000 BC was good.

Then again, there were no mobile phones, sooooooooooo FAIL! :pac:

SEPT 23 1989

I don’t know about those oxygen levels back then maybe my lungs couldn’t handle it

Wibbs

ever not always wrote: »

Had a read through that for my many sins and the majority of it is utterly useless. Take antibiotics. Try and find the right fungus. Use a microscope? Grand if they're around, if not then you're outa luck. Even if you do find the right fungus, you have to refine the active ingredient and even with the best tech and centuries of chemistry under their belts that was a hard nut to crack when it first came along. Run electricity through tungsten to get the first lightbulb. Eh nope. NOt nearly so easy. Carbonised thread would be far simpler and was one of the original ideas and even then it took a lot of trial and error by some of the best minds to make it even kinda viable. Flight? pointless for most of history. Maybe if you sought out Leo DaVinci if that's where you ended up. And you'd have to convince him. Never mind the nonsense about diabetes. Clearly an American wrote that, but back then it would have been one of the rarest conditions on the planet.

10,000 BC? depended on where you landed. Farming had already kicked off in many places so.. Maybe things like crop rotation would be worthy as it will increase yields.

Your likely best bet to get noticed would be in military tech. Gunpowder would be a major calling card and would really get you noticed. The compound bow another. The chariot. Invent the stirrup for horseriding. Major advance and gives more effective cavalry.

Metal working. This is a biggie. You'll need to have a basic grounding in geology. Start with bronze and get them used to that and the heat required is lower. A nice sideline would be gold and silver for jewellery, always goes over well with the big knobs. As you get more practiced introduce iron. Both bronze and iron will also allow you to make more effective ploughs.

Practice with heat will also give you better pottery and more, glass. That's how you get into optics.

Writing. Another biggie. Again convince the big knobs that this writing stuff will allow them to keep tabs of what shit's theirs and the priestly caste can use it to spread the "truth" about their gods. Allows you to transmit information. When they get used to it for a few years, come up with basic printing. Then progress will really explode as others get in on your act.

Demonstrate the scientific method. Tell them a god told you, but you're only an unworthy vessel to keep the priestly caste sweet, and tell them first. Actually fire most of your ideas through the priests and shamans. They're the media of the time, so use it. Keep them on side.

Seafaring and navigation. The compass and astrolabe and cartography. The sail. Tacking with and agin the wind. Show them how to make planked/clinker built boats. With your bronze/iron invent the saw and drill and axe and the nail.

I'd be a god I tells, ya, a god. :pac:

Beasty

If I was around in 10,000 BC I would be dead now. Hence it's clear I have survived to a later date by virtue of not being around 12,000 years ago, and indeed can write this post (which I could not have done then)

screamer

Depends on the modem humans you’re talking about. The older generation they’re tough cookies, I think they’d survive. Generation snowflake, forget it, they’d be dinner to the wild animals they would want to pet and give rights and names to.

Wibbs

Paddy Cow wrote: »

No tetanus or antibiotics mean even something simply now, would be the end of you back then.

Well so far I got to my 50's with no antibiotics so I'd probably be alright. Though I did have a tetanus jab when I was a kid. The biggest hurdle back then and pretty much up to a hundred odd years ago was surviving childhood. If you did then hitting 60 or 70, even 80 was doable. Outside of plagues and war 50's was a near given(even our more ancient cousins the neandertals made it to 50 often enough). Consider the Christian psalm from 2000 years ago and aimed at a mostly peasant audience that said: The days of our years are threescore years and ten, and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years. IE 70 or 80. Rameses the Great made it past 90. If you made it to adulthood. Most didn't.

gozunda

Beasty wrote: »

If I was around in 10,000 BC I would be dead now. Hence it's clear I have survived to a later date by virtue of not being around 12,000 years ago, and indeed can write this post (which I could not have done then)

Type 1?

greasepalm

Hey guys my cell service has no signal:mad::mad::mad::D

Melanchthon

Feisar wrote: »

We are pack/social creatures. Since anyone dropped back 12000 years ago wouldn’t have a hope in fitting in I’d say survivability would be close to zero.

Not anyone, presumably a woman of childbearing age would be taken in by a tribe, and then probably die during childbirth

Feisar

gozunda wrote: »

Not a bother tbh. I primarily grew up in an era where there were fek all modern conviencies. I reckon the only trouble with time travel is that our modern gut binome couldnt cope with the differences with enteric bacteria of then and now ...

Seriously? There is no mod cons and then there’s living on the edge. The American Indians often had famines and hardships and they were the quintessential experts in living off the land.

Wibbs

Melanchthon wrote: »

Not anyone, presumably a woman of childbearing age would be taken in by a tribe, and then probably die during childbirth

That seems to be more a thing after we became "civilised" along with farming. Within hunter gatherer societies, while it's not nearly as safe as in modern times it was less risky than later societies. Roman young women would first write their will soon after marriage upon learning they were pregnant. In the medieval and later in churches the most requested prayer for intercession was from pregnant women. These days women live longer than men on average, a couple of centuries ago that trend was reversed. Mad.

gozunda

Feisar wrote: »

Seriously? There is no mod cons and then there’s living on the edge. The American Indians often had famines and hardships and they were the quintessential experts in living off the land.

Living then was not necessarily living on the 'edge . Once individuals survived the trials of childhood (and child bearing) longevity was not unusual. Yup. Grew up with no central heating. Fireplaces to heat individual rooms but no heating where slept and solid fuel stove for cooking. Food was grown or sourced locally. Well water and lots of foodstuffs 'off' the land' including stuff growing wild, berries, game etc. I reckon most kids couldn't hack it any of that now or think it some wild adventure. In reality many lived similar lives not that long ago and sourced or produced their own food etc. Research has shown that farming was first practised between 12000 and 23000 years ago and spread rapidly. Humans have lived in settlements with shared resources over a similar timescale and cared for the elderly and infirm. Granted contagious diseases did tend to have dramatic effect on whole populations.

You may note btw my reply related to the idea of time travel and dealing with conditions back then "no internet, no Tesco, no dishwasher"
Personally I reckon the biggest issue would be differences in gut flora and diseases which would wipe out any time traveller within a very short time imo

Feisar

gozunda wrote: »

Living then was not necessarily living on the 'edge . Once individuals survived the trials of childhood (and child bearing) longevity was not unusual. Yup. Grew up with no central heating. Fireplaces to heat individual rooms but no heating where slept and solid fuel stove for cooking. Food was grown or sourced locally. Well water and lots of foodstuffs 'off' the land' including stuff growing wild, berries, game etc. I reckon most kids couldn't hack it any of that now or think it some wild adventure. In reality many lived similar lives not that long ago and sourced or produced their own food etc. Research has shown that farming was first practised between 12000 and 23000 years ago and spread rapidly. Humans have lived in settlements with shared resources over a similar timescale and cared for the elderly and infirm. Granted contagious diseases did tend to have dramatic effect on whole populations.

You may note btw my reply related to the idea of time travel and dealing with conditions back then "no internet, no Tesco, no dishwasher"
Personally I reckon the biggest issue would be differences in gut flora and diseases which would wipe out any time traveller within a very short time imo

I looked at it as if one was dropped in, so as a total outsider with no social ties. Not possible to survive in my opinion in that case.

ToddyDoody

A millennial would be dead within a month.