VAG 1.4 v 1.5 TSI engines

Tikki Wang Wang

What are people’s opinions between the new VAG group engines ? ( well maybe not so new at this stage). Were there issues in the Skoda cars with them?

Stallingrad

We have two of the 1.4 150 ACT. Manual and DSG. I think it is an amazing engine, quick, smooth and frugal. No issues at all.

There have been well documented issues with the newer 1.5 kangarooing when cold, and some people are still waiting for a fix. I am not sure if VW have resolved it yet.

CoBo55

Can you still get the 1.4? I see the 1.5 is only available with the dsg on the Skoda site. I had an Octavia with the 1.4 112bhp DSG, lovely car.

Old diesel

I believe the kangarooing issue on 1.5s is on manuals and that DSGs aren't affected.

Open to correction though

Stallingrad

Old diesel wrote: »

I believe the kangarooing issue on 1.5s is on manuals and that DSGs aren't affected.

Open to correction though

Correct.

Tikki Wang Wang

It’s the 1.4 In the ateca. Am interested in a second hand one

CoBo55

Old diesel wrote: »

I believe the kangarooing issue on 1.5s is on manuals and that DSGs aren't affected.

Open to correction though

Just cleverly masked by gear change software, wltp has signed that engines death warrant.

CoBo55

Tikki Wang Wang wrote: »

It’s the 1.4 In the ateca. Am interested in a second hand one

Manual or DSG? What bhp is it?

Tikki Wang Wang

CoBo55 wrote: »

Manual or DSG? What bhp is it?

Manual 150 bhp

CoBo55

Tikki Wang Wang wrote: »

Manual 150 bhp

I loved mine it was the 122 bhp if you aren't doing big mileage I'd recommend it wholeheartedly. Mine never dropped below 40 mpg on any tank of juice its best was 47 mpg, the newer engine you're looking at would be better on fuel. Try and get an extended test drive and see does it suit your day to day driving.

Stallingrad

Tikki Wang Wang wrote: »

Manual 150 bhp

As I said, I have that combo in a Superb, and rate it very highly indeed.

CoBo55

Stallingrad wrote: »

As I said, I have that combo in a Superb, and rate it very highly indeed.

What's it like on juice?

Stallingrad

CoBo55 wrote: »

What's it like on juice?

Between 6.2l/100 and 7.0//100.
70% motorway. 30% town.

Long distance best was 5.2l/100

CoBo55

Stallingrad wrote: »

Between 6.2l/100 and 7.0//100.
70% motorway. 30% town.

Long distance best was 5.2l/100

Not bad at all for such a big car.

Stallingrad

CoBo55 wrote: »

Not bad at all for such a big car.

Indeed, and it is so smooth, at idle you wouldn't know if it was on or off. I ditched an F10 5 series diesel for it and have not looked back.

CoBo55

Stallingrad wrote: »

Indeed, and it is so smooth, at idle you wouldn't know if it was on or off. I ditched an F10 5 series diesel for it and have not looked back.

I went back to diesel after having a dreadful experience with the 1 litre petrol in an Octavia, shocking engine I hated it. The diesel is so much coarser.

Stallingrad

CoBo55 wrote: »

I went back to diesel after having a dreadful experience with the 1 litre petrol in an Octavia, shocking engine I hated it. The diesel is so much coarser.

In fairness that engine is just to small. I had a 191 loaner 1.6 diesel Octavia a while back. Noisy and vibey, my petrol Superb felt like an EV by comparison. I'll never go back to diesel.

Old diesel

Stallingrad wrote: »

In fairness that engine is just to small. I had a 191 loaner 1.6 diesel Octavia a while back. Noisy and vibey, my petrol Superb felt like an EV by comparison. I'll never go back to diesel.

Is some of this refinement down to the Superb side of things.

Because in a Superb the 2.0 diesel is brilliantly refined yet the same EA288 family gets marked down in other VAG product for been a bit noisy.

It's a.mystery tbh

vectra

Just collected my Seat Ateca 1.5tsi dsg last saturday, loving it so far.
90km trip and the rest stop start around town, 200km up and the display shows 42mpg average.
Time will tell but it has plenty of go for a small engine.

Krombopulos Michael

vectra wrote: »

Just collected my Seat Ateca 1.5tsi dsg last saturday, loving it so far.
90km trip and the rest stop start around town, 200km up and the display shows 42mpg average.
Time will tell but it has plenty of go for a small engine.

Hows the engine fairing out for you. I'm trying to convince my wife to go for 1.5TSI DSG over the diesel.

vectra

Krombopulos Michael wrote: »

Hows the engine fairing out for you. I'm trying to convince my wife to go for 1.5TSI DSG over the diesel.

Haven't went on any sort of decent trip yet but still glad I made the decision with it.
Plenty of poke when needed.
So smooth compared to the diesel.
Get her to have a test drive in one, she will be easily convinced.

CoBo55

Krombopulos Michael wrote: »

Hows the engine fairing out for you. I'm trying to convince my wife to go for 1.5TSI DSG over the diesel.

It really depends on what mileage you're doing. I must confess I do miss the quietness of the petrol but not the running costs, those 12c per litre add up when you're filling up.

Krombopulos Michael

CoBo55 wrote: »

It really depends on what mileage you're doing. I must confess I do miss the quietness of the petrol but not the running costs, those 12c per litre add up when you're filling up.

Most of the driving will be total of 30 mins a day for my wife so Petrol should be OK for that distance. I drive 150k+ a day so i'm sticking with diesel for now.

CoBo55

Krombopulos Michael wrote: »

Most of the driving will be total of 30 mins a day for my wife so Petrol should be OK for that distance. I drive 150k+ a day so i'm sticking with diesel for now.

Ideal for your missus, you've the diesel for longer spins, the best of both worlds really.

shanec1928

have the 1.5 manual in a leon and find it pretty good on fuel im sure i could get more out of it if i took it out of FR mode, but life's to short for that kind of thing.

Old diesel

CoBo55 wrote: »

Just cleverly masked by gear change software, wltp has signed that engines death warrant.

If the DSG gets around the issue then there's no need for a death warrant - just make it auto only.......

But I understand that not every 1.5 TSI manual is affected which is a headscratcher.

And people are getting different stories - some apparently are getting software updates while others are told no fix yet.

It's a confusing mess by VW.

It all rather reminds me off the dieselgate "fix" saga - some got cars that drove the same to the point they wondered if the fix was done - while others had nightmares - and some (Tiguan DSG 140s spring to mind) got a "fix" from VW to the original "fix".

Has anyone seen a guesstimate anywhere as to how many 1.5 TSis actually have the issue.

And if it's a WLTP related issue - why does it happen from cold. Surely the cars are well warmed up for WLTP?????

NIMAN

CoBo55 wrote: »

It really depends on what mileage you're doing. I must confess I do miss the quietness of the petrol but not the running costs, those 12c per litre add up when you're filling up.

I can see that getting easier over the coming years, the Gov will start to narrow the gap to discourage diesel purchases.

CoBo55

NIMAN wrote: »

I can see that getting easier over the coming years, the Gov will start to narrow the gap to discourage diesel purchases.

Maybe. If anything it's getting wider atm.

L-M

Krombopulos Michael wrote: »

Hows the engine fairing out for you. I'm trying to convince my wife to go for 1.5TSI DSG over the diesel.

I had a 1.5 TSI 150 and it averaged 39 mpg on my driving and with the exact same driving now I’m averaging 47mpg in a 2.0 diesel.

Quickly adds up.

NIMAN

I don't think anyone is disputing diesel will give most of us more MPG, but it ain't the future.

L-M

NIMAN wrote: »

I don't think anyone is disputing diesel will give most of us more MPG, but it ain't the future.

Petrol isn’t the future either going by that argument. So buy the diesel and just wait for the “future”

CoBo55

NIMAN wrote: »

I don't think anyone is disputing diesel will give most of us more MPG, but it ain't the future.

AHH will ya stop... This isn't what this thread is about.

CoBo55

Limerick man wrote: »

I had a 1.5 TSI 150 and it averaged 39 mpg on my driving and with the exact same driving now I’m averaging 47mpg in a 2.0 diesel.

Quickly adds up.

Yes it does. Consider everything before making the leap, as the petrol car can hurt the pocket.

ForestFire

I have the 1.5 tsi dsg in leon st estate and find it great, quite and powerful when needed. Coming from a 1.2tsi octavia, could not go down to the newer 1 liter.

Anyway needed a change and Dsg with adaptive cruise control is unbeatable (unless you have autonomous driving of course)

Had a diesel before octavia and there is just something better about petrol, besides the normal advantages of noise etc, it just feels better.

Will need to check my fuel consumption in morning.

DaveyDave

Isn't the kangaroo issue also only in a particular Skoda model?

Old diesel

DaveyDave wrote: »

Isn't the kangaroo issue also only in a particular Skoda model?

Think it features on 1.5s all over the group.

CoBo55

DaveyDave wrote: »

Isn't the kangaroo issue also only in a particular Skoda model?

No, it's in all manual cars.

vectra

Old diesel wrote: »

Think it features on 1.5s all over the group.

Yes

CoBo55 wrote: »

No, it's in all manual cars.

DSG as well though not as noticeable.

hooch-85

ForestFire wrote: »

I have the 1.5 tsi dsg in leon st estate and find it great, quite and powerful when needed. Coming from a 1.2tsi octavia, could not go down to the newer 1 liter.

Anyway needed a change and Dsg with adaptive cruise control is unbeatable (unless you have autonomous driving of course)

Had a diesel before octavia and there is just something better about petrol, besides the normal advantages of noise etc, it just feels better.

Will need to check my fuel consumption in morning.

Hi, we are thinking of changing from my wife's 181 Ibiza to the Leon ST TSi, either the 130 ps manual or 150 DSG if we can stretch to it. How do you find it on petrol? The little 1.0 TSi is doing 50mpg which is great, I don't expect the Leon to be that good, but was hoping it would do mid 40s in the real world, maybe that's unrealistic? My wife has a commute of 100km a day, uses a tank of fuel a week currently. I know fuel economy is only one part of the cost of ownership but the extra repayments (as well as higher depreciation) to move to the Leon as well as a bigger fuel bill might make it an unrealistic proposition for now.

reap-a-rat

hooch-85 wrote: »

Hi, we are thinking of changing from my wife's 181 Ibiza to the Leon ST TSi, either the 130 ps manual or 150 DSG if we can stretch to it. How do you find it on petrol? The little 1.0 TSi is doing 50mpg which is great, I don't expect the Leon to be that good, but was hoping it would do mid 40s in the real world, maybe that's unrealistic? My wife has a commute of 100km a day, uses a tank of fuel a week currently. I know fuel economy is only one part of the cost of ownership but the extra repayments (as well as higher depreciation) to move to the Leon as well as a bigger fuel bill might make it an unrealistic proposition for now.

I have the 130 1.5TSI Leon FR and in normal mode I'm getting around 42mpg on average. Commute ~70km roundtrip (mostly motorway) 3 days a week, and the rest of my driving would be <20km roundtrip on R or L roads. Lately most of my driving has been motorway but have had the car a few months and it rarely strays from about the 42mpg on each tank.

Was getting a better return in my 2010 1.2L Polo (60bhp v current 130bhp) of about 45-47mpg but this is way more luxurious and fun, wouldn't change back for the world!

hooch-85

Thanks for that, is your car brand new? If so i suspect that will improve, with the Ibiza it was only doing mid 40s until there was about 20k kms on it and since then it has improved substantially, does up to 53 mpg on some journeys which is brilliant really.

reap-a-rat

hooch-85 wrote: »

Thanks for that, is your car brand new? If so i suspect that will improve, with the Ibiza it was only doing mid 40s until there was about 20k kms on it and since then it has improved substantially, does up to 53 mpg on some journeys which is brilliant really.

Yeah, it's a 191 that was only dealer owned. Has about 13,000km on it now. I'll be keeping track of it to see if the same holds true for me, it would be great!

Tzardine

I have just ordered a Seat Arona with the 1.5 150BHP engine.

I drove the larger Ateca with the same engine and it was pokey enough. I would say the engine in the smaller Arona will be a flyer.

CoBo55

Tzardine wrote: »

I have just ordered a Seat Arona with the 1.5 150BHP engine.

I drove the larger Ateca with the same engine and it was pokey enough. I would say the engine in the smaller Arona will be a flyer.

Nice one, manual or DSG? I do miss the smooth silent power of the petrol.

Tzardine

CoBo55 wrote: »

Nice one, manual or DSG? I do miss the smooth silent power of the petrol.

Manual in FR spec. Did not see the Dsg listed as an option actually, although it was a manual I wanted.

vectra

CoBo55 wrote: »

Nice one, manual or DSG? I do miss the smooth silent power of the petrol.

I have the 1.5 dsg in my Ateca FR, Absolutely a pleasure to drive.

CoBo55

vectra wrote: »

I have the 1.5 dsg in my Ateca FR, Absolutely a pleasure to drive.

I loved my 1.4 TSI, hated that bloody 3 cylinder 1 litre it always sounded like a bag of nails and the stop start was rougher than a Ferguson tractor.

There should be some very interesting options available when I'm changing mine in 2022, hybrid, mild hybrid, plug-in hybrid, interesting times lie ahead.

vectra

CoBo55 wrote: »

I loved my 1.4 TSI, hated that bloody 3 cylinder 1 litre it always sounded like a bag of nails and the stop start was rougher than a Ferguson tractor.

There should be some very interesting options available when I'm changing mine in 2022, hybrid, mild hybrid, plug-in hybrid, interesting times lie ahead.

Tarraco FR PHEV coming as well I think :pac:

CoBo55

vectra wrote: »

Tarraco FR PHEV coming as well I think :pac:

Car man myself, I just don't get this toy SUV lark tbh. The new Octavia looks very nice.

vectra

CoBo55 wrote: »

Car man myself, I just don't get this toy SUV lark tbh. The new Octavia looks very nice.

I didn't either a few years ago, but times and views change with age

lomb

I rented a jetta in the states recently with 1.4 150bhp 8 speed Auto don't think was dsg. Lovely drivetrain. It's a real shame the 150 is basically a 10 grand option in Ireland versus being base over there.